MSNBC: How Bush sold the war on Iraq to american people. (MUST READ!)

[xyboymil]

I dont know how many of you caught Hardball this evening, but this story and it's timeline were extremely impactful how Bush and his top administration B.S.'d and LIED it's way to selling the war.

As much as I dislike Chris Matthews sometimes, his show was a HUGE blow to Bush tonight.

The follow up interview with Dem. Senator Levin (D-Mich) which he read from this weekends declassified memo regarding the pre-war intelligence makes it crystal clear we were mislead and lied to.

PLEASE PLEASE READ:

Snip from article:

Unbeknownst to the public at the time, however, two agencies in the administration, the State Department's Bureau of Intelligence and Research and the Department of Energy, concluded the aluminum tubes were the wrong specification for nuclear materials.

Agency officials, under orders not to talk publicly, thought the tubes were intended to be Iraqi artillery rockets, not nukes. In early January 2003, the International Atomic Energy Agency reported, “While it would be possible to modify such tubes for the manufacture of centrifuges, they are not directly suitable for it.”

The Bush administration dismissed the IAEA report and in the president’s State of the Union, the ultimate platform for the administration to sell the idea that Saddam was a nuclear threat.

“The British government has learned that Saddam Hussein recently sought significant quantities of uranium from Africa. Our intelligence sources tell us he has attempted to purchase high-strength aluminum tubes suitable for nuclear weapon production,” said Bush.

The first sentence was retracted six months later, following criticism from Ambassador Joe Wilson. In turn, that led to White House actions against Wilson and his CIA wife, that evolved into a criminal investigation into White House leaks.

But the investigation was not in time to stop White House operatives from executing what had already been a masterful and successful marketing of what State Department official Richard Haass called at the time, “a war of choice.”

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/9962149/

It's time to IMPEACH him NOW! :mad:

[Christa]

1. The tide is turning

Bush is going to be swept away by a tsunami.

[Independent_Liberal]

2. Yeah! Impeach the FraWdmeister!

:)

[SammyWinstonJack]

3. If we can't impeach bush** over this, something is seriously wrong

in America!

[xyboymil]

4. Agreed. This is such utter bullshit! 2000 soldiers are dead. And for what?

:mad:

[SammyWinstonJack]

11. And for what? Oil power and pure unadulterated greed!

That's pretty much it. Oh and according to the bush baby, "Saddam tried to kill my Daddy." :eyes:

[arewenotdemo]

12. Don't forget "securing the realm" (Israel).

[SammyWinstonJack]

14. I don't know much about that subject and I tend to stay of out those

discussions since I am not up on it.

[arewenotdemo]

34. page from the PNAC bible

>>>In 1996, Douglas Feith (the recent director of the Office of Special Plans) and Richard Perle - now an influential Pentagon figure - served as advisers to the then Likud leader, Binyamin Netanyahu. In a policy paper they wrote, entitled A Clean Break: A New Strategy for Securing the Realm, the two advisers said that Saddam would have to be destroyed, and Syria, Lebanon, Saudi Arabia, and Iran would have to be overthrown or destabilised, for Israel to be truly safe.<<<

http://www.guardian.co.uk/print/0,3858,4714031-103681,00.html

[FreedomAngel82]

36. And also go and watch

the film "The War Party" at http://www.informationclearinghouse.info It really opens up about the whole pro-Israel ordeal with the neocons.

[npincus]

6. oh, I think an intern's blowjob is a greater National Security emergency

really, what is all the fuss about?

[SammyWinstonJack]

7. You forgot this,

:sarcasm: :evilgrin:

[npincus]

5. I got my ass flamed earlier for recommending tonight's show!

I thought it was GREAT- especially the 2nd half.

Please post link if (and when) available.

[mod mom]

10. I only saw the last 5 minutes (awaiting KO) and I was appalled how Tweety

was saying that not only the * administration, Republicans in congress, Dems who went along, and the media where partially to blame, but also the American people.

I guess since they had access to the same info that we who protested the war even then did, the sheeple deserve some of the blame as well, HOWEVER, this to me sounds like an attempt to dilute blame and apply guilt to the public so they will be willing to more readily forgive since they are somewhat guilty as well. I say nail those complict's sorry asses!

[JudyM]

18. it's sick that the WH is saying the dems are just as guilty bec they voted

for war. Where's the comparison between intentionally twisting evidence and falling for that twisted evidence?

[npincus]

25. the last 5 mins were sucky, unfortunately

the reporting on the marketing of Iraq (outstanding, as the original post notes) was at the halfway mark.

I agree with what you said- blaming Americans who were traumatized by the "TERRA TERRA TERRA" Administration in a post 9-11 world, and the unquestioning, sycophantic corporate-sponsored media echo chamber who never asked questions and gave the anti-war movement VERY short shrift, didn't really give the public a fair shake. The MSM legitimized and validated the B*sh scam and served it up for public consumption.

[mark11727]

31. Thinking of scene from Animal House...

Otter: ..you can't spend your whole life worrying about your mistakes! You fucked up - you trusted us! Hey, make the best of it! Maybe we can help.

...

Flounder: Will that work?

Otter: Hey, it's gotta work better than the truth.

[vanboggie]

8. When the Tweety Turns

You know good things may really happen this time. I was amazed. What next - Wolfie? Naw....

[jsamuel]

9. Not only that, but the tubes were ordered to be coated with a chemical

that is used specifically for regular rockets. That same chemical would hurt any attempts to make nuclear weapons (uranium and that chemical don't mix). It would be a job all in itself just to get the chemical off of the tubes.

This is from a NYT article pre-election 2004.
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/10/03/international/middleeast/03tube.html?oref=regi

First, in size and material, the tubes were very different from those Iraq had used in its centrifuge prototypes before the first gulf war. Those models used tubes that were nearly twice as wide and made of exotic materials that performed far better than aluminum. "Aluminum was a huge step backwards," Dr. Wood recalled.

In fact, the team could find no centrifuge machines "deployed in a production environment" that used such narrow tubes. Their walls were three times too thick for "favorable use" in a centrifuge, the team wrote. They were also anodized, meaning they had a special coating to protect them from weather. Anodized tubes, the team pointed out, are "not consistent" with a uranium centrifuge because the coating can produce bad reactions with uranium gas.

In other words, if Joe and his Winpac colleagues were right, it meant that Iraq had chosen to forsake years of promising centrifuge work and instead start from scratch, with inferior material built to less-than-optimal dimensions.

The Energy Department experts did not think that made much sense. They concluded that using the tubes in centrifuges "is credible but unlikely, and a rocket production is the much more likely end use for these tubes." Similar conclusions were being reached by Britain's intelligence service and experts at the International Atomic Energy Agency, a United Nations body.

[StClone]

13. Americans smart enough to avoid Syrianam?

NeoCons still are on the prowl with the growing knowledge of the extent of the war profiteering (rip off) by BR&K and what does BushCo do? Bolton comes out squealing about he huge Food for Oil program scandal (even though many U.S. companies involved) to distract. These guys are an endless pit of treachery.

[proud patriot]

15. "sold" like a used car salesman

bush = used car salesman

and I'm not buying it

[Ilsa]

16. Amazing, isn't it? Many of us knew better.

I am almost as floored by the lack of critical thought from the MSM and American people as I am by the corruption and hatefulness of the Bush regime.

[janx]

17. Is there a Tweety repeat, and if so, what time?

?

[Hissyspit]

19. 3 a.m. on MSNBC

My satellite, at least.

[janx]

20. Thank you! Is that eastern time?

?

I'm in the Mountain time zone, so I want to be sure.

[Hissyspit]

22. I am using 3 a.m. EST, yes. So it would be 1 a.m. your time, I think? nt

[GetTheRightVote]

21. In the WH evils lives, real evil !!!

:kick:

[BlueEyedSon]

23. A war of choice, conquest and profit.

[chat_noir]

24. don't forget to rate the Shuster article

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/9962149


now at 4.5 with 147 votes

[emald]

26. the shrubby sob needs to be in prison

and all those who surround him. This administration is commiting acts of criminal intent, has been.
:grr: :grr: :grr:

IMPEACH SHRUB NOW!

[shantipriya]

27. Iraq War

Ya! Now they tell. I am sick of these guys coming out of woodwork with these stories of lies and fraud. It would have been obvious to anyone with normal intelligence and common sense to conclude that Saddam could not have had any WMD because of the sanctions, bombings and inspections over a 10-year period.

[DemoVet]

28. Democrats need to press this and other issues harder

When the republicans are down like this, kick them until you hear ribs breaking, step on their necks until you hear bones crunch. Just think of what the republicans would be doing to you if:

• Two of your high administration officials were being investigated for leaking classifified information leading to the exposure of an undercover CIA agent
  
  
• One of those officials was under multiple indictments and the other waiting to be.
  
  
• Your House majority leader was under indictment and the Senate leader investigated for insider trading
  
  
• It was becoming manifestly apparent that your President, Vice President, and Secretary of State had lied to you and your constituents to promote a war that never should have been fought. Over 100,000 Iraqis and over 2000 Americans have died, in addition to many thousands wounded, with no end in sight for the carnage.
  
  
• The largest natural disaster in this country has exposed rank cronyism and corruption in the agencies tasked to deal with national emergencies, such as a massive terrorist attack.

And that's just a partial list of the woe republicans, who always place party over country, have visited on this country. We need a purge in the next two elections. It's not going to be enough to just defeat them at the polls, if we're able to do that, but they need to be driven into the wilderness (or a federal prison, if appropriate) so that they never again have the chance to use the mechanisms of democracy to seize power and destroy our country. Hearings, trials, convictions, shame. The very word "republican" an obscenity, like "nazi".

Kick, crunch. Step, crunch. It's what they've been doing to you, and what you can continue to expect if you're not willing to fight back. And if you won't fight for us, we'll have to try to find people who will. Just keep thinking, What Would Karl Do? THEN DO IT!

[ProfessorGAC]

29. Another Two!

Now would be the time to remind people that, in fact, 9/11 happened on his watch. So the worst terrorist attack in U.S. history occurred and the PDB should become an issue again.

Also, a simple one. "Where's Osama?"
The Professor

[indie_voter]

30. "Unbeknownst to the public at the time"

Should read

"Unbeknownst to the sheeple at the time"

The MSM needs to be impeached right along with Bush.

[robbedvoter]

32. Bingo! I knew the facts - not thanks to MSNBC&comp

They were active accomplices in this and all BFEE crimes.

[MellowOne]

33. It's only a matter of time

The truth is coming out!

[FreedomAngel82]

35. I'm surprised he gave them any time at all