Dowd: Men Are In Over Their Heads

[donsu]

http://cyphering.blogspot.com/2005/11/dowd-men-are-in-over-their-heads.html


I've said it before and I'll say it again: Men are simply not biologically suited to hold higher office. The Bush administration has proved that once and for all.

These guys can't be bothered to run the country. They are too obsessed with frivolous stuff, like fashion and whether they look fat. They are catty, sometimes even sabotaging their closest friends. They are deceitful minxes and malicious gossips.

And heaven knows they're bad at math. Otherwise, W. would realize that a 60 percent disapproval rating, or worse, means that most Americans would like some fresh blood in the administration. It's appalling to see ringleaders of the incompetent, mendacious crew who rushed into Iraq but not New Orleans getting big promotions and posh consulting jobs.

-snip-


Unless it's some catty attempt to undermine someone you're pretending to like, how to explain the Mean Girls cabal headed by Dick Cheney, Rummy and the Rummy aide Douglas Feith? These hawkish Heathers lured W. into war with hyped intelligence and then clawed out Colin Powell's eyes to take charge of the occupation, only to bollix up the whole thing beyond belief and send the president's ratings cratering.

The former Powell chief of staff, Col. Lawrence Wilkerson, who often verbalizes what Mr. Powell does not say because the ex-secretary of state does not want to be in a public catfight with the cabal, charged on NPR that the cabal issued directives that led to the abuse of prisoners by U.S. soldiers in Iraq and Afghanistan.
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and about snake Cheney she said:

Women are affected by hormones only at times. Vice's hormones rage every day.

tell it Maureen!

[catzies]

1. I've been saying for years: LET WOMEN RUN THE WORLD, PLEASE

You guys can have beer, sports and the remote.

Deal? :D

[Teaser]

3. I would also like

an Island of Cheerleaders. Then you got a deal.

[catzies]

36. Done and done. :D

Careful, though, you didn't say what kind of cheerleaders.

[sasquatch]

4. Can we scratch ourselves too?

:D

[TahitiNut]

41. It's not a question of 'whether' but 'what'.

:evilgrin:

[catzies]

95. You bet! Scratch away!

:D

[dad]

7. E Dole?

I don't think so. Let's judge our politicians by the content of their character, not the contents of their 'nads.

[catzies]

97. I'm not promoting a wholesale switch of one set of nads for another.

In a sane world, Liddy wouldn't be elected dogcatcher. :D

[SharonRB]

56. After seeing Jarhead last night, that was the first thing I said to my

friend. She and I saw it with my husband and when it was over, I said to her, "That's why we need a woman president."

[Rex]

61. I agree whole-heartedly, good luck convincing Repukers.

They can't evolve past the 'smash & grab' stage. If you ever make 'contact' with their brains (whatever that is) ask them, for me, why black is white and up is down. Thanks.

[ktlyon]

84. sounds good to me

Show Me The Couch

[MadisonProgressive]

87. Works for me! Can we order in Pizza too?

[catzies]

96. Yup! And you can drink beer with it if you want & watch a game too

See? This is going to be great!

[MadisonProgressive]

98. RAH!! Sign me up! - WAIT... what about sex?

[catzies]

103. That's up to you. No one said women can't run the world & TCB at home

:evilgrin:

[Cha]

2. This is an excellent angle from

MoDo. The bushites are as petty as mean girls when they aren't scheming to manufacture false evidence to take our nation to war.

[noahmijo]

5. What about the large number of women that voted for Bush?

Being that I live in a country where nearly 50% of the nation's females voted for * thus willing to lay down and be second class citizens-no FIGHT to be second class citizens I think I'll continue to go with just choosing the best candidate (male or female) and away with this man vs woman bullshit that does nothing to solve our problems with what's going on in our battered nation today.

[Snotcicles]

6. I don't consider the penis bearers in office now remotely resemble men.

There are plenty of real men around that could do a fine job.

[mntleo2]

9. Agreed!

There are idiot women as was posted above who voted for going back to being second class citizens (not that we ever got there, but we are at least protected by laws they want to destroy. I have psycho women bosses, and seen psycho women in office (like our late Dixie Lee Ray, whom I votred for but had to admit she was not fit for office), and on and on.

I think the 'penis brigade' has their share of fools as does the 'boob brigade'and ya just have to use your noggin and do some work finding out about them before you vote for them.

But I DO love the parody that Dowd uses as it was the old excuse as to why women were not fit for working for a wage or for being in office. you could use the same to stereotype men for sure all right.

My 2 cents

Cat In Seattle

[mcscajun]

60. You caught the facetiousness of her column...many didn't.

This IS a parody...and haven't we women all heard much of this before as applied to us? I know, and anyone who's been paying attention in general over the last 50+ years knows that this is just a literary device she's latched onto to make her broader point, and that she's not slamming all men, just the pale imitation articles over at the Bush WH.

[spooky3]

63. My first reaction was that she was too obvious

but after reading some of the replies, I can see I was wrong. It's truly amazing.

Obviously some people either have not been "paying attention". Or, because they have not personally experienced much discrimination, and have benefited from that directed at other groups, they really don't "get" the literary device. :-)

[Mr_Jefferson_24]

50. "The Penis Bearers"

I really must say, and I think humor columnist Dave Barry would agree, that this would be a great name for a rock band.

[Snotcicles]

53. The DC Dangle Band. n/t

[TahitiNut]

55. As distinguished from "The Penis Barers" how?

Interesting homonym. :eyes:

[Mr_Jefferson_24]

74. "The Penis Barers"...

...deliver adult entertainment.

[DFWdem]

8. Wow, talk about your sexist remarks

"I've said it before and I'll say it again: Men are simply not biologically suited to hold higher office."

I can't help but recall the outrage shown here on DU when Larry Summers of Harvard said that there may be biological differences between men and women that lead to women being less interested in math and science. Where is the outrage now?

[alcibiades_mystery]

11. Satire much?

Read again, and slowly this time...:eyes:

[Porcupine]

15. It's always ok to trash straight, white, able-bodied guys.

Particularly if they are currently single and have no wife or girlfriend to vouch for them. Double dumps on (past current or suspected deadbeat) dads.

[TahitiNut]

26. Especially if done under a thin veneer of 'satire'.

:shrug:

[alcibiades_mystery]

33. You gotta be kidding

Heathers? Mean Girls? Catty?

This is not bigotry thinly veiled as satire. It's exposure of the very real opinions felt about women in our society. You angry that they're applied to males in this ONE column? Perhaps you should work up the same indignation for the COMMON application of these terms to woemn every fucking day.

Why this is failing to register with the pretend-aggrieved men of this board is...well, actually, it's not much of a mystery.

[Name removed]

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[LostinVA]

47. And that's what it is" pretend aggrieved"

And there's alot of them on DU. It's actually honestly every frightening to me, that self-identified progressive men can be like this.... still an awful long way to go, ladies....*sigh*

[omega minimo]

62. A breakthrough would be honest discussion of "what are they afraid of?"

:hide:

and why they insist on projecting that fear onto progressive women on a progressive site if they ARE progressive men.

[TahitiNut]

67. Following the discussion of "why do they beat their wives"??

:eyes: :puke:

[omega minimo]

68. Nah, how bout: Why do they project paranoid assumptions?

[ktlyon]

86. That is the thing about comedy, we laugh because it hits at a truth

We probably would be better off if women were in charge but that is not the system we have. Makes me think of a book The Pride of Chanur by C. J. Cherryh.

[donsu]

93. YES! Cherryh is one damn fine woman novelist

nt

[pop goes the weasel]

17. don't tell me you don't get the joke

Dowd was carefully applying stereotypes about women to a group of men who, representing the conservative side of things, represent an electorate that actually believes those stereotypes as applied to women. I think she did a good job of it. I don't for a moment think that she actually believes that men on the whole are incompetent.

[KittyWampus]

22. Except she's a hypocrite who is happy to be in the "In" Wealthy WASP

Woman crowd and uses her column as a means to get invited to all the "In" parties.

[donsu]

24. some people like to go to "in" parties and some people don't

such is life

[yella_dawg]

19. Get with the program.

Any form of man bashing is "hilarious satire", "about time the shoe was on the other foot", basically anything but "wrong".

Say anything that infers that women are anything but noble and the piranhas strike.

It's called "the Twenty First Century", get used to it.

[alcibiades_mystery]

32. Oh boo hoo

I know the history of men being oppressed by women is so severe that you can barely get by one day without feeling its unbearable weight.

:rofl:

Remind me not to oppress you in the future...

[yella_dawg]

65. Thanks for proving my point.

[alcibiades_mystery]

70. In your imagination, perhaps

But then, with your position here, I suspect quite a lot of points are proved in your imagination, and only there.

[LostinVA]

46. Geez, it's SATIRE, but you probably know that

Men have been saying for years that women shouldn't be president, CEO, cop, fighter pilot, etc., because they have PERIODS, and CRY, etc. She's turning the argument around, saying men have hormonal problems every day, this shouldn't be allowed to be eladers.... get it? Huh?

God.

[alcibiades_mystery]

10. Ay yay yay

I see a lot of posters above don't get the satire here. She's basically taking every sexist remark made against the notion of women leaders and applying them to the Bushistas. I doubt Ms. Dowd actually believes that "Men are simply not biologically suited to hold higher office." It's part of the fucking joke.

Learning to read can be fun!

[Finder]

13. In other threads the lack of comprehension is apparent as well.

Guess a lot of DUers don't get her style. I personally love her.

[mongo]

29. Yeah, the column is amusing

but the point some are trying to make is that if a similar column were posted deriding women there would be a veritable shit-storm. Satire or not.

There are many here who can dish it out but not take it.

[MuseRider]

30. There have always been

articles like this about women, that is why it is funny to us. They were never satire either.

[alcibiades_mystery]

31. Ding Ding Ding

"They were never satire either."

Preeeee-cisely. The fact is that nothing of the kind is really said in serious tones about men. That precisely such trash is said about women all the time, the supposedly "equal but opposite" satire would never be equal, nor satire.

[jbnow]

51. If the article about women

did the bashing on stereotypical male failings, we'd get it.

If it said we weren't suited to hold office because it was always some sports season or another and we couldn't handle crisis on weekends or Monday nights...
Couldn't go to state dinners without making them a belching contest

I agree that man bashing has become way too acceptable, but this is not that. She is man bashing with terms used to bash female.
The insult would be if it was "male" traits she talked about, testosterone and violence, macho posturing, men are pig stuff. She didn't do that.

It reminds me of a time elsewhere when there really was man bashing going on and hard feelings growing. Finally I wrote a post on it to the moderator and told him I usually didn't like male bashing but I had to admit men ask for it. Always wanting to cuddle when I wanted to sleep or watch football, we couldn't get out of the house without them changing their outfit so many times and always asking if it made their butt look fat and worst of all always wanting to talk about feelings.
Something like that...just to break the tension and it did. Then I could later talking about male bashing being considered OK, not female. I know that's true and I hate it and I am female.

This column is not shit-storm material. It is men always asking if their pants make their butt look fat.

[ProfessorGAC]

88. She Was Also Bashing Specific Men

I took no offense. I knew who she was talking about, and it wasn't me, or every other man in the world.

She was amplifying why THESE particular men should not be holding high office, and used the broader context to create humor.

She wasn't "man-bashing". She was bashing Bush/Cheney. More power to her.
The Professor

[omega minimo]

58. Good quote

alcibiades_mystery (1000+ posts) Sun Nov-06-05 11:28 AM
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31. Ding Ding Ding
"They were never satire either."
Preeeee-cisely. The fact is that nothing of the kind is really said in serious tones about men. That precisely such trash is said about women all the time, the supposedly "equal but opposite" satire would never be equal, nor satire.

[Name removed]

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[MuseRider]

27. Learning to read can be fun

but knee jerk reactions by the persecuted (?) can apparently be more fun.

I get it and I think it is funny. When will we ever give this up and engage people for who they are rather than what their sex is?

[Name removed]

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[progressivebydesign]

12. Umm.. it's satire... you know, like not real.

And it's damn, damn, funny!!

[deadmessengers]

14. Bigotry

Replace "Man" in that passage with "Woman", "Black", "Hispanic", "Jew", or "Muslim". It doesn't pass the bigotry sniff test, does it?

This is misandrist, hateful garbage. You can no more judge all men by the actions of Shrub and his cabal than you can judge all women by the actions of, for example, Susan Smith, Phyllis Schlafly, or Imelda Marcos. I would have expected better from Maureen Dowd.

[teamster633]

16. Not to belabor the point but read "A Modest Proposal" by

Jonathan Swift and get back to us, OK.

[sufrommich]

21. Sometimes I think this disconnect

when it comes to irony is an American thing.I don't see it much on the British boards I frequent.

[rosesaylavee]

44. Where are the Brit boards?

n/t

[sufrommich]

64. The one I go to

is "Guardian unlimited talk",I think its the best board there is.

[deadmessengers]

23. Not even close

Jonathan Swift she ain't. "A Modest Proposal" was about the Irish EATING THEIR OWN CHILDREN. That is a concept that is so outrageous, so completely beyond the pale, that advocating it in print couldn't be anything BUT satire. This? Nope. Too close to reality.

Misandry in our society is very, very real. Cannibalism is not, but you don't see the difference.

[sufrommich]

28. What about this piece is too close to reality to you? n/t

[Name removed]

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[sufrommich]

35. Well that clears it up (?)n/t

[alcibiades_mystery]

37. It certainly should

:eyes:

[teamster633]

39. I'll give you credit, you did send me to my dictionary.

As real as misandry may be(as I recall, Oxyboy often rails against it and all its adherent feminazis), I'd never heard the term before. My turn now.

While Dowd may not be the writer that Swift was, my citation of "A Modest Proposal" was not intended to make that inference. I believe the literary term is synecdoche.

[sendero]

42. I try to avoid..

.... folks who cry "misygonist" and "misandrist" at every opportunity.

I think her piece is great and I'm voting for this thread as "greatest".

We all want peace and justice in the world but there is such a thing as taking offense for no good reason.

[pop goes the weasel]

20. zoom

Wow, that piece went right over your head.

Her remarks are completely based on old stereotypes about women in which she replaced "woman" with "man."

You get an "A" on political sensitivity, and an "F" on cultural history.

[donsu]

25. look Dead, Maureen was pricking the bushgang

jabbing, sticking.

get a grip

[LostinVA]

48. This is not misandrist

God, people absolutely don't understand that word!

You knwo... forget it. Better posters than me have explained that this is fine satire, AGAINST THE BUSHBOTS, NOT MEN! Whatever....

I'm hiding this thread, because reading all these posts from presumably progressive-men is, quite frankly, rather frightening nd disheartening.

[bklyncowgirl]

54. Good Lord, get a sense of humor.

The P.C. crap is killing us.

[mcscajun]

59. She's just playing on the stereotypes that have been used against

women for centuries.

It's got to be just a LITTLE tongue in cheek, even coming from Maureen Dowd. If you asked her, I'm sure she'd tell you she's not judging all men...just the BushCo men. It's not bigotry, she's using a device to point out how offensive the stereotypes have always been against us. I can imagine her chuckling as she wrote it.

[Ivan Sputnik]

18. Condoleeza Rice

Enough said.

[bloom]

38. "Vice's hormones rage every day."

This is too funny.

Is it possible that there is a man alive who has not heard about PMS and various insinuations relative to that?

It's difficult to believe.

[Monkey see Monkey Do]

45. Helen Caldicott has been arguing this for years

(She gave a speech on this around the time the Iraq war was launched, but I'm turning up nothing in a search :( )

http://www.wand.org/
http://www.helencaldicott.com

[EFerrari]

49. Who? This snake?!

Maureen is often given to understatement.

:rofl:

[MojoXN]

52. Condaleeza Rice, Katherine Harris, Harriet Miers...

Kay Bailey Hutchinson, Michelle Malkin, Ann Coulter... you get the idea. My gender doesn't have a monopoly on stupidity, though it often seems that way.

MojoXN

[upi402]

57. Bush, my penis encumbered bitch

c'mon... ya gotta love his dopey ways

[robbedvoter]

66. Maureen has a REEEALY bad dating time!

bush is not a man - he is a thing.....Very much doubt he even qualifies as a penis bearer.
It's wrong to cast aspersions on half the population because a few mutants took over the White House (aided and abetted by Maureen et al I might add)

[JJackFlash]

69. Maureen hates everybody

Too bad she had to constantly lie and smear Al Gore during the 2000 election campaign. It was close enough that her columns probably made the difference.

And do you remember all the noise about "Hillary's gift registry" as the Clintons were leaving the White House? Maureen made it up out of thin air in one of her columns.
Thanks for your contribution to the ruination of America, Maureen.

[Name removed]

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[femrap]

73. Well, if Maureen got bu$h elected in '00, then I am

sure she must have had something to do with '04....right?

Are you quite sure you are of age to post?

[JJackFlash]

75. Your logic escapes me

She constantly lied about and smeared Al Gore in 2000.
The repugs didn't need her help in 2004 - it wasn't nearly as close, remember?

Yes, I'm quite of age to post.
What is the point you're trying to make?

[Telly Savalas]

76. I propose we start a DU group for white, Christian, heterosexual males.

Because we're being persecuted.

:cry: :cry: :cry:

Mommy! Waahhh!!!

:cry: :cry: :cry:

[omega minimo]

77. I thought it already was

:hi:

[Tom Joad]

78. I am sorry, but does she mention condi rice here?

Or remember Jeane Kirkpatrick (i write this just before bed. Nightmares tonight...)

Or the quote from Madeline Albright. Over 100,000 kids have been killed in Iraq by sanctions, has it been worth it. Madeline insisted it has been.

I am not supporting patriarchy here, but i think the problem is deeper than gender, and has to do with class loyalties.

[enigmatic]

79. Nellie McClung was much more witty than Dowd ever hopes to be

And she did it first with "The Women's Parliament" 95 years ago.

http://www.mta.ca/faculty/arts/canadian_studies/english/about/study_guide/famous_women/nellie_mcclung.html

[really annoyed]

80. Boo hoo, I'm persecuted by satire!

Some of you sound like the gals over at ifeminists.com - women who think men are badly treated in society by liberal women.

The web site recently proclaims that men live in "Jim Crow" days and PBS is at war against men.

You know what I think?

:nopity:

Women have been bashed for centuries - and it was not a joke.

This is an article bashing Bush with good humor. It will not cause men to suffer or die.

People, grow up.

[TahitiNut]

81. Let me see if I understand the logic.

You say that "women have been bashed for centuries" - and I agree. I agree that women have been victims of sexism for centuries, denied the right to own property, denied the right to vote, denied equal access to public institutions, and subjected to all manner of degrading and condescending treatment. (That's just in the USA - not to mention the far worse atrocities elsewhere in the world.) While we've come a long way (baby?), we're sure not yet perfect when equal pay and promotional opportunity are still not ubiquitous, and reproductive rights are being assailed. Happily, women today don't suffer nearly the treatment of women of the past, even prior to January 22, 1973, and further progress is being made.

I would, for a moment, like to state the obvious. If it wasn't for a liberal majority of men all over the country supporting passage of the 19th amendment in 1920, women might have waited far longer. After all, women weren't in a position to vote themselves the right to vote, right?

Absent bloody revolution or civil war, that's how it works. The people having the power to enact change (men, in this case) look to their consciences, aided by moral advocates and educational efforts, and promulgate that change to achieve a more just and equitable society.

Now, I can understand how this has worked for women and I can understand how this has worked with blacks. I can also understand that we have one helluva lot more to achieve stamping out racism. One of the factors that make the problems of racism so persistent and damaging is that race is inherited and the economic and social disadvantages of racism are passed on to subsequent generations. But the same thing cannot be said of sexism. Gender isn't inherited and the the economic and social disadvantages of sexism are not passed on as ubiquitously to subsequent generations. While I can understand (but not condone) reactive racist attitudes in black people, I cannot understand how any female inherits the continuing damage and disadvantage her great-grandmother suffered.

Likewise, the vast majority of males I know today abhor sexism - and harbor no opinion of male superiority (or female inferiority) whatsoever. (I don't associate with the other kind if I can at all avoid it.) They're the "good guys." They're NOT their fathers, grandfathers, or great-grandfathers.

But you (and others in this thread) seem to think it's somehow "fair" for those who've not experienced anything close to the worst of "centuries" of sexism to engage in male-bashing of males who've not themselves perpetrated or 'benefited' from "centuries" of sexism? You see it as some kind of "payback"? (Those of us males who were raised by a single mother whose pay and promotions were blocked on every job might have an even greater argument with that. I'd suggest that I might even have a greater appreciation for the limited generational harms of sexism than many.)

With all due respect, I find that attitude morally repugnant and free of any kind of objective ethical rationale. Sexism is gender-neutrally WRONG. A person's genitals give them neither a "free pass" nor a "kick me" sign on their back.

[really annoyed]

83. Sorry

I apologize for my behavior. It won't happen again. I think you took my post the wrong way. I was simply asking people to lighten up. I would have said the same thing about a piece "bashing" women too.

I understand your point about men helping the women's movement, but I believe women deserve the majority of credit for starting it. It's also keen to notice that African-American men got the vote before women ever did. Not to mention the others countries that gave women the right to vote before the United States did. It was female activists that brought the issues of voting to Washington D.C. anyway. It was women who urged male voters to select representatives that would support their cause. You forget all this.

I'm leaving DU anyway. I'm sure I won't be missed. Take care.

[TahitiNut]

90. "You forget all this."???

Bullshit. You obviously have no qualification whatsoever to opine on what I "forget" or don't "forget" and I regard such posturing uncivil and a personal attack. I invested some time and effort to compose a civil, balanced, and reasoned post that summarizes my perspective regarding sexism and its toxicity, independent of gender, and I get this crap again?

It sure sounds familiar to a fella over 60. The words are slightly different but the tune remains the same. Some have sung "take it like a man." Some have sung "don't be a pussy." Such vomit smells no sweeter out of the mouths of women.

[tallahasseedem]

101. Dont go.

You will be missed! :hug:

[namvet73]

82. I have worked for enough women to know that.....

they can be overambitious tyrants, too. (I was in the software development business and, more specifically, I worked for about a dozen women.) This has nothing to do with my ego. I am married to a woman who is a manager, almost always made more than me and is extremely kind. It's OK with me that many are better at things than I am. I was often glad they were the boss and I wasn't.

But women are... guess.... HUMAN. There are good ones and evil ones, generous ones and greedy ones.

Personally, I would love to see a woman president in my lifetime. I voted for a female governor (she won) and a female mayor (she won).

But make no mistake, in my mind, genitals are not a good indicator of character.

(By the way, yes, both women I voted for were Republican. At lower levels of government I crossed party lines. HOWEVER, I AM SO PISSED at this criminal administration that I am determined to oust as many Republicans as I can at ALL LEVELS to get balance back. I hope many independents are now thinking this way.)

Also, I am no more tolerant or excusing of tyranny from men in power than I am for females in power. That is, it is NOT MORE OK for a man to be a jerk. A jerk is a jerk.

[ComerPerro]

85. I liked how she turned the standard arguments against women around

These guys can't be bothered to run the country. They are too obsessed with frivolous stuff, like fashion and whether they look fat. They are catty, sometimes even sabotaging their closest friends. They are deceitful minxes and malicious gossips.

[mmonk]

89. If the bush administration represents men,

then does Ann Coulter represent women?

[femrap]

91. maybe self-loathing women....

I wish folks would debate this issue in relation to Patriarchy...which is institutionalized in this country. It is so pervasive that at times it is difficult for people to see its true effects.

Look at organized religion, for example...just consider the story of Adam and Eve.

[mmonk]

92. I agree.

There is no historical evidence that female led countries are less prone to war and conflict, however. Personally, I'd love to see Barbara Boxer as my commander in chief.

[Humor_In_Cuneiform]

100. So true

Quite a few years ago there was a book that was popular "The Women's Room." (1977 by Marilyn French)

It is likely dated for these times, but at the time it really made a lot of us aware of the deeply ingrained, all but hidden sexism.

So ingrained that it goes unnoticed most of the time.

And under the current admin, it has been going backwards rather than forward.

:(

[MuseRider]

102. Loved that book.

Loved it and reread it several years ago. Not all that dated for me since I lived through the time but it might be for those younger.

[WritingIsMyReligion]

94. ROFLMAO!!

Go Maureen!! :D :D :D

[Humor_In_Cuneiform]

99. testosterone is destroying the world!

Women are affected by hormones only at times. Vice's hormones rage every day.

How true!

:rofl:

[seabeyond]

104. hey but those men showed her. this morning imus bernie said

he ought to bend her over to show her what is necessary. implying, ...... rape

[bloom]

105. yeah - we all know how funny rape is. :eyes:

There is so much crap like that out there it isn't even news.

:grr:

[seabeyond]

106. ya well, it has just got to be a line. i am tired of these stupid males

that feel they can trash me in the most degrading and grossest of way, and i am going to just accept it. i had on comedy central laying in bed for night with husband. first i go a girls gone wild commercial that isn't 15 secs, or 30 second, but 2 minutes of girl..... got it..... GIRL a girl gone wild. drunk off her ass, acting like a slut for a bunch of men to slobber all over themselves and be pathetic. you know man, if you want that fine, but i dont have to say yea to it. 2 fuckin minutes, with pulling shirt up, crawling on ground doggie style,

then comes on that asshole. has a doctor i like that has been on women show. just starting to get this guy not only not funny. but a pig. that night talking how he is old howard stern show. i didn't know. that is a pig show. i dont watch. then they started talking about "girls" giving them blow jobs. and can a girl get herpes aids whatever. the doctor says, will be in esophagus. hold sperm in mouth and go to toilet, and spit out. a man wont care. all they want is to ejaculate in mouth. as pig talk piece saying, ya dont mess the rhythm, do stop. in the piggest of way

now here we are suggest kids suck up sperm that can cause disease..... and it is worth it to the man. and screw the girl. and act like some girl is just a mouth. the grossest of male

i didn't want to have sex with my husband for a while. as that just sat churning in my brain for a week or two.

i have a 17 yr old niece trying to figure shit out. a father that boosted his porn, abuse his power. and another 12 year old niece trying to figure things out

bloom.

these things , 6 in the morning. on nbc? saying raping a female .... bending her over

that just cannot be aloud. people, not just me, women, not just me,..... it cannot be ok

[donsu]

107. it is not OK. We don't have to take their shit.

the fight for women's rights is not over

half of Senators and Reps. should be women

half of the supreme court should be women

half of the Pentagon and military should be women (if we are going to have a military then it should be equal)

voting should be paper and pen, counted by hand, with an audience