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Turbineguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-06-05 12:08 PM
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OK, all you highly educated types.....
what's that nice latin phase something about the argument proving itsself? I don't think it's "Ipso Facto" but maybe it is.

Quod.......demonstratum????

I'm just a machinery guy, thanks.
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immoderate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-06-05 12:11 PM
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1. How about "prima facie"?
It means something like obvious which, along with literally is one of (two of?) the most misused words in the language.

--IMM
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jjmalonejr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-06-05 12:13 PM
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6. Means "on its face", I think
Meaning something is obvious at face value.
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Pithy Cherub Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-06-05 12:11 PM
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2. LOL! Just a very humble DU'er responding...
Q.E.D. or q.e.d. Latin for quod erat demonstradum; which was to be demonstrated or proved

Hope that helps very smart guy:hi:
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phusion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-06-05 12:12 PM
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3. Quod erat demonstrandum
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quod_erat_demonstrandum

Maybe that's the one you're looking for?
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Hans Delbrook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-06-05 12:12 PM
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4. QED
QED - quod erat demonstrandum - which was the thing to be demonstrated
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mike_c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-06-05 12:12 PM
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5. maybe you mean...
...quod erat demonstrandum ("that which was to be demonstrated")?
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kiki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-06-05 12:13 PM
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7. Quod erat demonstandum
Dictionary.com says it means "which was to be demonstrated".

But people tend to use it to mean "as I have just demonstrated".
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bmbmd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-06-05 02:15 PM
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24. Quitticus-
enough done-icus.
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enlightenment Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-06-05 12:14 PM
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8. a priori
the classic ontological argument is Descarte's "cogito ergo sum" --
I think, therefore, I am.

At least I think that's it!
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koopie57 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-06-05 12:19 PM
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12. then I will call you "am" eom
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enlightenment Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-06-05 05:56 PM
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27. *snork*!
cute. Thanks for the chuckle.

by the way -- what does "eom" mean? I am acronym challenged in the worst way.
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koopie57 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-06-05 06:53 PM
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29. it means eom
and I'm glad you asked cuz that is the only one I know.
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LaurenG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-06-05 08:41 PM
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32. It means end of message eom
nt means no text, don't bother reading further there is nothing to read.
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enlightenment Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-06-05 09:02 PM
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33. Thank you! umm . . . eom!
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Spazito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-06-05 12:14 PM
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9. Ipso facto translates as 'by that very fact'
Is that what you are looking for?
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No Exit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-06-05 12:15 PM
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10. I can only give you "res ipsa loquitur", which means "the thing speaks for
itself."

Off the subject, I'd also like to call attention to "res judicata". That's one that is going to help us soon: Scooty-boot Libby's lawyers think they're going to re-litigate all this crap about "reporters' sources are protected by the 1st Amendment"--but res judicata is going to get in their way. THAT "1st Amendment" ISSUE WAS ALREADY LITIGATED ALL THE WAY UP THE LINE OF APPEALS COURTS, IN THIS VERY SAME (LIBBY, ETC.) CASE. The reporters LOST. Therefore, when Libby's lawyers start up that same crap (as a delaying tactic), they will run straight into RES JUDICATA--which means "a matter (already) decided".
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Benhurst Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-06-05 12:15 PM
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11. How about
"res ipsa loquitur" -- the thing speaks for itself?
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IChing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-06-05 12:19 PM
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13. I thought it was: impeach bush or bush is an idiot and liar





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Turbineguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-06-05 12:22 PM
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14. Wow! that was quick!
Thanks.

I think "res ipsa loquitur" fits the bill. But I'll write down the others.

Einstein at the black board. Really. ROFLMAO.


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No Exit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-06-05 12:23 PM
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15. Maybe "a priori" is what you're looking for?
A PRIORI--"From the cause to the effect; from what goes before. A term used in logic to denote an argument founded on analogy, or abstract considerations, or one which, positing a general principle or admitted truth as a cause, proceeds to deduce from it the effects which necessarily follow."
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mcscajun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-06-05 12:34 PM
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16. Don't know precisely...but here's a find:
Applicable to our Thief-in-Chief:

Asinus asinorum in saecula saeculorum.

"The jackass of jackasses in the centuries of centuries", or "the greatest jackass in eternity".
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Turbineguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-06-05 12:50 PM
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19. Hey!
I can do something with that too!

Thanks!

And thanks to all for your help!
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sam sarrha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-06-05 12:46 PM
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17. i know what you are asking..Cant remember.. but here is one that is very
useful....

As a Juvenile Parole Officer i once wrote a paper..

"Apriori Logic as Perceptual Dysfunction and a Stalemate in the Counseling Process"

my Emphasis was on this aspect of the definition: 'Made before or without examination; not supported by factual study'.

Apriori is from the latin, 'from the previous',causes or hypothesis'

The RepucNuts us this all the time, Rush Limballs has a program of brainwashing that programs his listeners exclusively using this model of thinking..thus the dido head.

what happens is one begins to percieve the world in an Apriori Logical Loop.. based on a fallacy. this causes the person a great deal of stress and suffering which they can only blame on outside elements and Other People. If you try to explain to them that they might have a problem.. them YOU become the Problem..

because whatever is introduced into the logical loop at whatever point.. will cause the victim to come to the same conclusion....

Because, the Conclusion comes first and the Premise follows..

this is reinforced by intense negative emotions and anger. this is the stuff that Terrorists are made of.. and i consider Rush Limpballs a Political Terrorist and the trainer of terrorists.

the "Stalemate" is extreme, you CAN NOT Communicate with these people. what ever you say will reinforce what they believe.

the only thing that will effect a change in their 'perceptual format' is a Phenomenon that result from regular practice of Art, Music..as in learning to play a musical instrument with a teacher and regular practice, repetitious exersize..as in jogging/running miles/swimming laps, or MEDITATION.

Meditation works best and fastest but is the hardest to get them to do.

what happens is these activities actually restructure the brain, where the right/analogical and the left/digital aspects of the brain begin to operate the way the brain was intended. the person cures them self with out knowing it.

Apriori is the Official Perceptual Dysfunction of the Republican Party.
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elehhhhna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-06-05 12:46 PM
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18. all your arguments are belong to us?
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chat_noir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-06-05 01:08 PM
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20. for future reference
Latin Quotes and Phrases

http://www.yuni.com/library/latin.html


Absum! - I'm outta here! :)
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Ms. Clio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-06-05 01:19 PM
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21. Great site, thanks for the link! n/t
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buzzard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-06-05 01:44 PM
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22.  Res ipsa loquitur- It speaks for itself ??n/t
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Bluerthanblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-06-05 02:11 PM
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23. you probably have all these but...
Ipso facto - By that very fact

Per se - By or in itself

Prima facie - At first sight; on the face of it. (in law, an obvious case that requires no further proof)

Probatum est - It has been proved

Qvod erat demonstrandvm - which has been demonstrated - a statement of logical proof, especially in mathematics and law, abbreviated Q.E.D

Res ipsa loquitur
"The thing speaks for itself"

Modus ponens (Any dialect of the language of ancient Rome) Latin: mode that affirms) is a valid, simple --argument form -often abbreviated to MP

Res ipsa loquitur
"The thing speaks for itself" — a phrase from the common law of torts that means negligence can be inferred from the fact that such an accident happened, without proof of exactly how.
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cassiepriam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-06-05 02:23 PM
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25. Damn you're good. Where were you when I was working on my PhD?
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Bluerthanblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-06-05 11:07 PM
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34. wishing i had the inititive to study like you,likely changing diapers, and
milking cows-
I did graduate from H.S. though- and tried to go to night school college, but couldn't handle the pressure. I'd become a single mom, and was overwhelmed.
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cassiepriam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-07-05 06:24 AM
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39. It is never too late to work on a dream. No perfect way to juggle it all.
I worked, went back to school later when I had the money, worked several jobs to get thru grad school. Then late in life became a mom! And being a mom was more overwhelming than any job or grad school! But Blue you have some good skills, consider going back to school at some point in your life?
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Turbineguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-06-05 08:37 PM
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31. All this has brought back
fond memories of Latin class when I was 13. It was 1964.

The instructor looked like a Roman Senator, his haircut was the same as the well-known bust of Julius Ceasar. Perhaps a toga would have been too much but would have nonetheless been accepted.

"Quintus, let us proceed to the Forum". The rest of us walked, Romans proceeded.

The people who wrote the text books must have been crazy. We were as 13 year olds with raging hormones, always doing things with Pilums and sticking Gladius's in Vaginas.

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Bluerthanblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-06-05 11:11 PM
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35. I envy you
your knowledge- I had french, and while many words give me a 'clue' to the latin roots, most of it is 'greek' to me- ;-)
I do enjoy words though.
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misternormal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-06-05 02:26 PM
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26. How about...
Non Illigitimus Carborundum??? :shrug:
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-06-05 05:58 PM
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28. D.C.B.
Drinkus Coldus Beerus :beer:
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MojoXN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-06-05 06:55 PM
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30. Quod Erat Demonstratum...
If my Latin doesn't fail me, literally, "The thing itself is evident." Modern connotation is "Proof positive".

MojoXN
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-06-05 11:15 PM
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36. Magistrae pueris parvis saepe crustula dant.
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UTUSN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-06-05 11:35 PM
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37. Never Put Yourself Down, Brother n/t
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BJW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-07-05 03:53 AM
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38. res ipsa loquitor
the thing speaks for itself
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PowerToThePeople Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-07-05 06:41 AM
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40. res ipsa loquitur, kinda old age, "no explanation needed." n/t
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