The Price of Election Fraud-- The Cost of Complacency

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An interesting thread today: discussion with Mark Crispin Miller, author of "The Bush Dyslexicon" and a new one coming out on the 2004 election.

What is the cost of American complacency, aided and abetted by the media blackout on the "sour grapes" story of another stolen election. By January and Senator Boxer's brave stand in the U.S. Senate, even on DU the discussion was over and it was time to "move on" to "NEXT TIME."

M.C. Miller was motivated to write this new book after the 2004 election and will do much to raise the issue in the public consciousness. In the DU conversation today he said:

"We've therefore long since lost our civic virtue, and the necessary habit of saying NO when things become oppressive."

Are we OK with that? Is that in keeping with our supposed faith in Constitution and Founders and Framers? Or is that the comfortable complacency of the Stockholm Syndrome-- willing captives entranced by their captors?

Given the damage done by the current administration day by day and month by month over the past year, is the blind faith in "Next Time" justified, or merely reassuring?

:patriot: :kick:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x5253576

"We tend to think of many of our fellow-citizens as apathetic because, let's face it, we too live inside "the media bubble," which represents us to ourselves (and to the whole wide world) as far less discontented than we really are.

"Now, it is surely true that people should be more than discontented. They should be actively protesting and resisting. (Although there too the media tunes out what protest and resistance HAS welled up.) On the other hand, the system has radically depoliticized us, training us to watch and, if we can afford it, shop, and little else. We've therefore long since lost our civic virtue, and the necessary habit of saying NO when things become oppressive.

"Just remember that the situation is a lot more fluid, and potentially explosive, than it appears to be on CNN and in the New York Times. The elites have fallen out with one another——a clash that now provides us with a most important opportunity to say things that have been verboten for too long. The iron is hot. It's therefore crucial that we not despair, or paralyze ourselves with undue worries vis-a-vis the seeming or alleged indifference of "the masses."

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1. "Don't mess with my Medicare" Reagan voter, 1985.

That about sums it up. We have our democracy stolen right out from under us. The tools we use over seas to spot election fraud are ignored at home. And we end up with wall to wall Repubicans.

But lets not be "whiners"...couldn't do that.

Actualy, we shouldn't whine, we should scream, shout, protest, act, act, act...until the stinking mess is cleaned up.

When your leaders can't prove that they were elected, the do not rule with the public consent!

Excellent post!

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2. 25 years of bamboozlement and here we are

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3. Good night and good luck

:popcorn: :yoiks: :boring:

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4. ....the comfortable complacency of the Stockholm Syndrome

That is actually a fairly accurate take on how the Dems have been acting for the past 4 years- or at least those Dems that repeatedly sell out their constituents to play ball with the Republicans- and support their oppressive policies.

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5. Stockholm Syndrome...perfect, perfect! Damn!

:yourock: This was the seen when DNC released it's report on Ohio. 100 of 200 pages devoted to an obscure statistical analysis proving that Kerry really did lose Ohio...pleasing the captors.

Thank you so much. That's the missing link!

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6. Only 4 years? Only the Dems?

It's nice this thread is getting a couple nibbles but no one wants to talk about this (since Nov. or Jan. 2004 when the fight was over) and NO ONE wants to look at the complicity and the responsibility of the American public.

Mark Crispin Miller comments on it and even he seems to accept it. He was motivated and is doing something to get a rise out of the public NOW-- and that's great.

"Now, it is surely true that people should be more than discontented. They should be actively protesting and resisting. (Although there too the media tunes out what protest and resistance HAS welled up.) On the other hand, the system has radically depoliticized us, training us to watch and, if we can afford it, shop, and little else. We've therefore long since lost our civic virtue, and the necessary habit of saying NO when things become oppressive."

I don't buy the notion that it is always someone else out there somewhere who is deluded and disempowered. It is US and we either take our power back or we don't. We either believe in the system or we don't.

And the system requires us to be informed and be vigilant and be active.

My question is-- if the election of 2004 was fraudulent, why was there nothing AT THE TIME that the American people could or would do about it?

And why was it never even a DISCUSSION?

Each of US is responsible for our own complicity and the humiliating truth in Mr. Miller's comment. (Even as it is identified, there is a sense of resignation to the collapse of American democracy as embodied by its citizens. We are OKAY with being spectators at our own funeral?)

"On the other hand, the system has radically depoliticized us, training us to watch and, if we can afford it, shop, and little else. We've therefore long since lost our civic virtue, and the necessary habit of saying NO when things become oppressive."

[omega minimo]

7. See? even DU prefers the grisly and the sexy

Well folks, ain't nothin sexier than the promise of freedom and nothin grislier than the disassmblement of the future

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8. zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

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[NoBushSpokenHere]

9. Wake up........smell the grizzley sex

Okay, election fraud revisited.......

Sexual men and women voted in the November 2nd, 2004 election but reported their votes were swallowed by the computers. Sexual fantasies were not their priority when heading to the capital of America to protest and to demand their vote be counted. Some protesters stayed near the hotel where the latest sex scandal happened.........

Okay, maybe we should just be more creative in our posts about the rape of American elections.

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10. That bearly warrants reply

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11. Just bearly