Tweety just said to Jimmy Carter (about the Iran business)

[karlrschneider]

"...you may have lost your presidency over this shit..."

Yikes

[Gronk Groks]

1. I swear, if I ever see tweeties smiling mug...

...I am going to slap the shit out of him until they throw me in jail.

[garybeck]

30. where did the nickname Tweety come from? n/t

[stlsaxman]

37. First time I heard him called "Tweety" was on BartCop back during the

Clinton Impeachment debacle...

BartCop also coined the term BFEE (Bush Family Evil Empire).

That's right- BartCop- all that and an IQ of 64!

[WannaJumpMyScooter]

2. Which shit? The trasonous business of Regan and Bush I

as they illegally dealt with criminals and rogue states to influence the US elections.

[Name removed]

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[skooooo]

4. Welcome to DU!

[Matariki]

5. and he was ousted by the uber fascist Ayatollah Khomeini

you think that was progress?

[SpiralHawk]

6. But it was Republican Ollie North who gave Iran

our US Hawk aintiaircraft missiles so they could take out any invading planes. Really swift move, Ollie. And you call yourself a "patriot."

[senseandsensibility]

7. Thanks for the insight

Looking forward to more of your observations. Welcome to DU.

[Matariki]

8. you got your "facts" on sideways

I'd suggest a bit of research.

[Mr_Spock]

9. You don't say?

Interesting how Reagan was doing mob coordination with Iran...

[lateo]

11. Riiiiiiight....

Carter was behind the assasination of Iran's Democratically elected leader and he installed the Shah of Iran personally....right?

[nini]

12. uh huh

I suggest you get your info from reliable sources. I doubt you'll be around here very long though to enlighten us of your new finds


:eyes:

[DefenseLawyer]

13. The CIA supported a coup in 1953

to overthrow the elected prime minister after he nationalized the oil fields and give the Shah absolute power. Operation Ajax it was called. Jimmy was not consulted.

[slaveplanet]

27. TP-ajax to be correct

and that coup financed for 1M$ by the CIA is the reason IRAN is the way it is today. The PM Mossadegh was pro US, all he wanted was a slightly larger piece of the pie for the betterment of Iranian citizens and the greedy dogs responded by making the SHAH a full on dictator....It's the type of crap that happens when you try to fix shit that aint broken.

And now their grand solution is to use us for fodder units...
real rocket science....major league assholes

[lumpy]

31. Carter was not president in 1953

Eisenhower was president.

[DefenseLawyer]

38. Really?

Are you sure?

[seabeyond]

14. and reagan paid off iran to hold the hostages until after he was

elected. what an american. bet the hostages say, thanks reagan

[cassiepriam]

36. This made my blood boil. And no one cared at all.

[blm]

16. No. The part of the CIA that overthrew a democratically elected leader in

Iran and put the Shah BACK in power caused the Iranian problem today and that was two decades before Carter surfaced.

The Ayatollah became powerful during the backlash against the US and the Shah that started many, many years earlier. In fact, the interference in Iran was one of the CIA's first forays in that region as an agency.

[greenbriar]

17. you can't handle the truth

and wouldn't know it if it bit you in the ass


you are a morAn

[Jazzgirl]

19. Buh-bye!!

:hi:

[alcibiades_mystery]

20. The US policy with respect to the Shah was not developed by Jimmy Carter!

You cannot be that fucking ignorant, can you?

Mohammed Mossaddeq - who was considered too cozy with the dirty commie bastards - was deposed in a CIA sponsored coup in 1953. The fucking EISENHOWER administration, skippy. It was US policy to support the Shah (who was installed at that point) from then on - that is, through Eisenhower, Kennedy, Johnson, Nixon, and Ford.

Moreover, Carter could probably have had more success with the hostages, if Reagan, Bush and company weren't secretly dealing with the "Islamo-fascists" (as you like to call them) for domestic political purposes. And let's not forget that it was the Reagan administration, through right wing hero Oliver North, who continued to arm the "terrorist state" of Iran for the better part of the 1980's, in a weird and criminal enterprise designed to violate a specific act of Congress!

And you think Carter has something to answer for re: Iran? Get fucking real.

[slaveplanet]

28. more propaganda

who was considered too cozy with the dirty commie bastards

directly originating from the CIA , in order to turn the security forces to the Shah's favor and stimulate stateside support. It's all in the classified report.

BTW here's 2 official apologies dealing with this sad chapter of Pax Americana :

It was not until the US corporations-which, as a result of the US's economic sanctions and executive orders, were prevented from making lucrative deals with Iran-put pressure on the US government in the late 1990s that we saw the first admissions of guilt about the events of 1953. On April 12, 1999, in an offhand remark in front of the captains of industry, President Clinton said:


Iran, because of its enormous geopolitical importance over time, has been the subject of quite a lot of abuse from various Western nations. I think sometimes it's quite important to tell people, look, you have a right to be angry at something my country or my culture or others that are generally allied with us did to you 50 or 60 or 100 or 150 years ago.

(The Washington Post, May 1, 1999)

Of course, had the President, who was now apparently "feeling our pain," devoted some of his extracurricular activities to reading Kermit's book, he might have given a better speech in terms of who did what to whom and when. But given his limitations, this was the best that he could do to please the corporate crowd.

But the greatest admission of guilt came from former Secretary of State Madeline Albright, who in a meeting of corporate lobbyists in March 2000 stated:


In 1953, the United States played a significant role in orchestrating the overthrow of Iran's popular prime minister, Mohammed Mossadegh...the coup was clearly a set back for Iran's political development and it is easy to see why so many Iranians continue to resent this intervention by America in their internal affair.

(US Department of State, March 17, 2000)



After Albright's speech, on April 16, 2000, The New York Times broke what its writer, James Risen, called the US's "stony silence" by devoting a number of pages to publishing parts of a still classified document on the "secret history" of the 1953 coup. The history was written by one Donald N. Wilbur, an expert in Persian architecture and one of the "leading planners" of the operation "TP-Ajax." The report chronicled gruesome details of the events in 1953: how, by spending a meager sum of $1 million, the CIA "stirred up considerable unrest in Iran, giving Iranians a clear choice between instability and supporting the shah"; how it brought "the largest mobs" into the street; how it "began disseminating 'gray propaganda' passing out anti-Mossadegh cartoons in the streets and planting unflattering articles in local press"; how the CIA's "Iranian operatives pretending to be Communists threatened Muslim leaders with 'savage punishment if they opposed Mossadegh'"; how the "house of at least one prominent Muslim was bombed by CIA agents posing as Communists"; how the CIA tried to "orchestrate a call for a holy war against Communism"; how on August 19 "a journalist who was one of the agency's most important Iranian agents led a crowd toward Parliament, inciting people to set fire to the offices of a newspaper owned by Dr. Mossadegh's foreign minister"; how American agents swung "security forces to the side of the demonstrators"; how the shah's disbanded "Imperial Guard seized trucks and drove through the street"; how by "10:15 there were pro-shah truckloads of military personnel at all main squares"; how the "pro-shah speakers went on the air, broadcasting the coups' success and reading royal decrees"; how at the US embassy, "CIA officers were elated, and Mr. Roosevelt got General Zahedi out of hiding" and found him a tank that "drove him to the radio station, where he spoke to the nation"; and, finally, how "Dr. Mossadegh and other government officials were rounded up, while officers supporting General Zahedi placed 'unknown supports of TP-Ajax' in command of all units of Tehran garrison." "It was a day that should have never ended," Risen quotes Wilbur as saying, for "it carried with it such a sense of excitement, of satisfaction and of jubilation that it is doubtful whether any other can come up to it."

[lumpy]

32. Carter tried everything under the sun

to remedy the situation, froze Iran assets in the US, imposed economic sanctions, embargoed Iranian oil and refused advice to bomb the Iran harbors for fear the hostages would be killed one by one. The Iranians decided, in defeat, to release the hostages on the eve of US elections since, as some believe, Carter was willing to ease up on the restrictions he had imposed on Iran if they surrendered the hostages. Some claim that Reagan bribed Iran to release the hostages. Perhaps, I just don't know. Guess I need to be filled in on that. I always have thought that Carter had finally won the political battle with his economic tactics with Iran and Reagan took credit for Carters agonizing struggle in trying to save the hostages. Reagan has been unjustly credited with the release. I remember rumors of ransom but ????

[SlavesandBulldozers]

21. who caused the Iraq problem?

oh wait. . .


that's probably just the Clenis in disguise.

[lumpy]

35. We're talking about Iran here.

remember ?

[SlavesandBulldozers]

39. yeah. and I mentioned Iraq.

got a problem with that?

[bigwillq]

25. C YA!

:hi:

[senseandsensibility]

10. He said shit on the air to a former president?

I didn't think he could sink any lower. And, surprise, surprise, he said it to a Dem president. Now that is a shock.:sarcasm:

[ebal]

15. Carter's speechwriter

Tweety was Carter's speechwriter when he was in office.

[senseandsensibility]

18. So who did Tweety say this to?

I'm confused.

[ebal]

23. Carter I guess

I didn't hear it on TV, just read what the OP had.

Chris Matthews was Jimmy Carter's speech writer during his presidency.

Tweety = Chris Matthews

Therefore I'm assuming Chris Matthews said it to Jimmy Carter on his show Hardball on MSNBC.

I'm guessing he said "bit" but others might have heard something else.

[lumpy]

33. Carter. About the Iran US hostage problem.

when Carter was president. It is history that Reagan was given credit for Carters successful efforts to bring the hostages home. Several internet sites have the full story if anyone is interested. I will say this, Carter was one of the most patriotic and intelligent presidents this country hs ever known. He was responsible for saving the lives of the people taken hostage by Iran, not Reagan.

[Blue_In_AK]

22. I thought I heard that, too,

but I thought my ears were fooling me. They can't say "shit" on MSNBC, can they?

[karlrschneider]

26. I TIVO'd it and played it back at least 5 times. He said it.

:-)

[lumpy]

34. What is more important?

What Carter had to say or that Tweety said 'shit'. Why dwell on such shit ?

[npincus]

24. can one say "shit" on MSNBC? No 5-second delay?

[kskiska]

29. Novak was yanked off the air for saying "bullshit"

Of course, CNN had other reasons for dumping Novak, and Novak gave them the pretext.