Santorum floats a new Wilson lie on Imus

[Laura PourMeADrink]

I hadn't heard this one before. Rick Santorum, on Imus, said that it was unclear what Joe Wilson thought about the yellocake issue in Niger. That it was a "maybe Saddam was buying, maybe he wasn't" or a "wash"

But Imus got him good. He asked, (paraphrasing) "Well, if his (Wilson's) mission was not of consequence, a wash, not fruitful, then why was there a concerted effort to trash him?" Santorum had nothing after that. Imus told him that he liked him but that he was very misguided.

[durablend]

1. Santorum IS a "floater"

And needs to be FLUSHED DOWN come next November

[ChairmanAgnostic]

5. floating in a pool of kool aid.

[Jacobin]

2. RWers love to put people in the position of proving a negative

Which of course is impossible.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

4. Had you heard that lie before? Was there actually a report written

by Wilson?

[Vinnie From Indy]

9. As I understand it, Wilson's report was verbal and not written.

I believe Wilson gave the info from his Niger trip to the CIA in the form of an oral debriefing.

[TheCowsCameHome]

3. Imus: Wilson and yellowcake, Santorum is the fruitcake.

[proud2BlibKansan]

6. What does Imus see in Santorum?

I don't get it. I agree with Imus on a lot of issues. But then there are things like his fondness for Santorum that leave me scratching my head. :shrug:

[Laura PourMeADrink]

16. It's funny, (not ha ha funny) but Imus is interested in the causal

relationship between mercury in vaccines and autism. Imus dug up the fact that the repigs were trying to pass legislation that would hold drug companies harmless if vaccinated children developed autism.

Well, of course Santorum was a sponsor, and of course he had to cave and take his name off of the bill, because Imus had exposed him. The bill may have been killed as well, haven't followed it.

So, this makes Imus like him. It seems to me it should have made him think Santorum was a slime bag, but evidently he is an autism champion now.

I think Santorum's appearances on the show, now, may hurt more than help. Especially now that Imus is saying he is 'very misguided'

[SillyGoose]

7. So what if Wilson was unclear about the yellowcake issue.

They had no right whatsoever to out an undercover CIA operative period....I wish Imus would have said that.

:banghead:

[wtmusic]

10. He wasn't unclear at all

Let's not even reinforce that notion.

[SillyGoose]

13. You're right, point well taken.

I am so sick and tired of them making BS excuses for what they did. What Joe Wilson did or didn't do is not a justification for outing a CIA operative.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

17. But what is funny to me is that they all fall flat - like a circular refer

reference - Wilson was friggin RIGHT. Whether or not the trip was a set up or not it doesn't matter - he was RIGHT.

[SillyGoose]

20. He was right and there were 2 or 3 other reports by other officials that

backed him on his findings. But Wilson's oped-ed, his report, his trip etc. gave them no justification whatsoever for outing a covert CIA operative. They keep bringing up excuse after excuse but there is NO excuse for what they did.

FWIW, I don't believe that they outed Plame solely in retribution for Wilson's criticism of the yellowcake assertion. I believe there's a lot more to this than meets the eye and I've read some theories here that seem very plausible. I hope the full story will eventually be told and those responsible brought to justice.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

21. Right, I agree. And I think that road leads back to the forgery and

to Cheney, and the the secret energy meetings, and to the black market arms trade and to MONEY AND POWER. Can't wait until it finally unravels.

I recently spent 8 hours in a car with my inlaws who are staunch Rush/Bush fans. Their basic excuse for the whole thing was that they believe that she was NOT covert. If you believe she wasn't, then you don't believe there was a crime. You wonder how long a person can go on defending someone. How much does it take. I overlooked Clinton's personal problems because I thought he was a great, effective president. Obviously others did too because he had 71% thinking he did a good job as president even after impeachment hearings. But what will it take for the Bush supporters now to finally say, "the guy's horrible"?

We also had to listen to Fox News in the car. They made a claim that Fitzgerald proved that Valerie sent Joe to Niger. This issue, to me is still very murky. Murky, just like they like it. I have read several conflicting accounts. I know, it doesn't justify anything even if she did, just wish I knew what really happened on that piece.

[SillyGoose]

23. Gah! Drives me insane when they still claim she wasn't covert.

My heart goes out to you - 8 hours locked in a car listening to Fox News with Rush/Bush fans? Cripes, that's torture in itself.

:hug:

[wtmusic]

8. Unbelievable

If Santorum ever took the time to read Wilson's NYT piece, and could still make that claim with a straight face, he should be locked up.

[KharmaTrain]

11. So What...Fraudulent Or Questionable Intel Led To A War

Rectorum and other talking heads that try to play the "maybe Saddam was buying, maybe he wasn't" with Wilson is asking to be humiliated down the road...and that's fine with me.

Two main facts right now jive that any Repugnican parasing can't refute...and this is one that Fitzgerald cemented last week...it's that there was some criminality in the gathering of the intelligence that led to this country going to war. It's now pointing to fraudulent intel being stovepiped into the media and used as a justification for the war...this is the game Rectorum still plays and he's about to get burned. Couldn't happen to a nicer fukstick.

So if this is a "wash", it means some of the Intel was right, some was wrong. Isn't it the oversight responsibility of the Senate to determine which intel was right? So if it's so unclear, "Senator" (used in the loosest of terms) then why not approve an independent investigation into the entire run-up to this fraudulent war?

Someone else is also unclear about these matters. He called it having sand thrown in the umpire's eyes. And I respect his opinions at this point...

[Arkansas Granny]

19. You're right on with this assessment. These facts have been

clouded over by the Republicans in their usual manner. They run their smear campaigns against anyone who dares question them and cause many people to take their eye off the ball. Kind of like the old shell game. If they can cast doubt on the opposition, they can manipulate the talking points. It doesn't matter to them that a CIA agent was outed, because their fraudulent policy to declare war on Iraq went through.

[KharmaTrain]

26. Some Of Us Saw Them As Lies Then

That's what's so frustrating. I was here on DU in those days...plus did a lot of surfing...Bartcop and Buzzflash were big go-to sites...so was MediaWhores. Kos, Atrios and other blogs were just starting to feel their oats. Nonetheless, many of us out here were seeing and reading articles that were saying the intel was bogus and there was a deliberate campaign of deception by this regime to get their war.

We didn't need Joe Wilson...we drew these conclusions long before his op-ed. We knew about the bogus yellowcake reports, the misinformation campaign to intimidate or shut-up its critics and the orchestrated corporate media effort to "bandwagon" the rush to war. Seeing that we were right on what we saw then with evidence coming forward now does not make one feel any better, just a touch vindicated...and hungry to dig further for the truth. If I've been right about it this long, I feel I, and many others here, will be vindicated as well and a different day and country will emerge.

Cheers...

[carolinalady]

12. Santorum also said yesterday that the reason that the Dems

called for a closed session was because they could not face the hard decisions that needed to be made to cut the budget-then implied that the large gov't spending was the Dems baby. I cracked up--they have the majority; they do the spending!

[chaumont58]

15. I saw that. and I wondered how in the hell did the voters of PA

select this brain dead puke to the Senate?

Well, I guess it is more proof of the mostest, truest saying every coined by any god damn body,

H L Mencken:

"Nobody ever went broke underestimating the taste of the American public."

[Laura PourMeADrink]

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[Canuckistanian]

14. When will they get it? Wilson is irrelevant to this discussion

The guilt or innocence of the players in this sordid little drama don't depend on anything Wilson said or did.

In fact, they're all reinforcing the image that the administration is persecuting Wilson to distract form the real story.

[goclark]

22. The shocker was the "threesome" remark

from Santorum.

I was just waking up but Santorum,thinking he was really the friend of Imus, said something like....

By the way, when I talked to your wife the other day, she mentioned that we should have a threesome. I told her that she probably needed to use a different word.

(Believe she was trying to say a "three way conversation" with Imus)

When the stupid Santorum got off the line, Imus said that he didn't understand what that remark was all about!

His side kick said "That was strange coming from a so called moral values" person.


Imus is nuts but sometimes these jerks reveal their true selves.

Did anyone have the video clip, it was priceless and Santorum came off as real stupid.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

25. Yes. That threesome remark shows he is total bullshit on his "morals"

persona. I always think its is the ones who try to shove morals down our throats (Santorum, Bennett, etc) that have the most to hide.

[goclark]

27. Exactly, he showed his gutter thoughts this morning

So inappropriate!

[No Exit]

24. I turned on Imus just in time to hear Imus say, "You've got a koolaid IV!"

He was talking to Santorum.

I listened for just a minute, and at that moment I realized why so many people here and elsewhere can't stand the sight/sound of that twatmouth Santorum.