How would you answer this?

[SHRED]

Maybe I shouldn't.

He is an aquaintence from work. Grew up in a Marine Corp house (dad). Mid 40's.

He didn't appreciate that I emailed him the flash animation for Michael Moore's new movie and he called him a "fat ass piece of crap"
I then asked him if he has ever seen a MM movie to which he replied,

"Nope don't think so, hope not. When we are at war don't knock the US and demoralize your troops. We should drop Moore in Iraq and let him speak and see how long he lasts."

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What to respond? I might just drop it eh?

[Pam-Moby]

1. It sounds like he is a rethug.

What do you expect from the far right. They can only spew hate. The name calling is also expected. That is the only way they can defend themselves.

[NWHarkness]

2. Tell him you expect America to be better than Iraq

[Catch22Dem]

3. Drop it...

It's not backing down, it's just that kind of shit doesn't belong in the workplace.

[Telly Savalas]

12. Agreed.

[LeighAnn]

4. "Better to be a fat ass than a dumb ass!"

"Nothing patriotic about 2025 soldiers dying for Bush's lies. The blood of those troops is on the hands of everybody who supported this bogus war."

Then anonymously mail him a Fahrenheit 911 DVD.

[shanti]

5. rushbot

same spew.

[pk_du]

6. Mid-40's ? ...not too late to enlist....just sayin n/t

[No Exit]

7. Tell him, sorry, you meant to send him the video of Rumsfeld

taking questions from the troops--the one where the young soldier asks him why they haven't provided the armor they had promised.

Then tell him how proud you are that the fucking SECRETARY OF DEFENSE is not "demoralizing the troops during wartime".

THEN tell him we should drop Bush and Cheney in Iraq and let THEM speak and see how long THEY last!

[SHRED]

8. Maybe this?

This 'war' was and is based on bogus intel.
Bush/Cheney wit held crucial intel that didn't fit their plan to attack. They deceived the American public and Congress in their haste to invade.
These facts are now and will be coming out more and more. Many of us had suspected this already. They had plans for this as soon as they took office and before. 9/11 gave them cover. Bush himself said "we have no evidence that Saddam was involved in 9/11".

'Demoralize'? Hell I am more concerned with the 100's of thousands of needless death and injury as a result of this unnecessary invasion.

Harry Reid called a closed session of Congress today and forced the Republicans to uphold their promise to start Phase II of the investigation of the intel that led up to war.

The truth is starting to come out and the Plame leak was their critical mistake.

It would take 400,000 troops, 3 years and an estimated 15,000 dead to just 'secure' Iraq.

Bush/Cheney/Rumsfield have 'knocked' and 'demoralized' our troops by sending them into a conflict with NO PLANS to secure the peace. They told the troops they would be welcomed with candy and flowers.

It's impossible to invade another country, kill thousands, many of them civilians, and then force our form of government on them. An occupying force will always be fought. It unifies them against us just like an armed foriegn government here would do to us.

I know a Marine there. He has confided in me that since the enlistment requirments were lowered, to meet sagging recruitment goals, the morale has never been lower.
He wonders why he is there but does his job.
It is worse than the media lets on.

We found no WMD.
Time to declare victory and get out.

[noahmijo]

9. Tell him the point of Moore's movie F 9/11

The obvious conclusion to F 9/11 was that the majority of soldiers fighting in Iraq if not ALL of them come from poor families or families that cannot afford to send their kids to college hence why they joined.

They fight so the rest of us don't have to they put their lives on the line so that the rest of us do not have to.

All they ask in return is that if the govt is going to send them into harm's way that they be honest about it.



Tell me how that disrespects the troops.

[tallahasseedem]

22. F 9/11 is on Showtime right now!

It still makes me sick to my stomach.

[Hailtothechimp]

10. He's doing more for them than the POS-in-chief is.

And if your acquaintance from work hadn't been brainwashed by FOX and Rush Limbaugh, he would realize this.

[electricray]

11. What part is demoralizing the troops?

The part where Moore made a film about the reasons we shouldn't have trusted Bush or the fact that every day we find more evidence that Fahrenheit 911 wasn't such a far fetched piece of Hollywood after all.

If his contention is that the troops that see the movie are demoralized, tell him not to fear, most troops in combat theater probably keep their distance from Moore movies anyway. If he is trying to say that telling Americans dirty secrets about a wartime commander in chief undermines American's support for the war, tell him that no sane human actually supports war. If he does he doesn't know what war is. Tell him to sign up. The insanity that drove us to this war was created by a power-drunk greedy bunch of bastards. I hardly call that sane. If he can find one rational anti-war protester that doesn't wish for the safe return of our soldiers, regardless of when that is, I will help him kick their ass. It is a fallacy, they don't exist. He has no idea what is demoralizing to a troop because he has never been one. He just has an image of his daddy complaining about anti-war protesters of another decade and thinks he is making him proud by hating "Protesters 2.0". Only problem is that the anti-soldier sentiment that was so demoralizing to vets no longer exists. When soldiers come home the atmosphere at the airport has no party affiliation. Liberals, conservatives, you name it, everyone supports the troops, except the neo-cons.

I believe that the most demoralizing thing to a combat troop has to be the idea that the person in charge of your ultimate fate on this earth has no clue what it is to be involved in the situation he so gleefully drops you into.

Also the last thing I would point out that I believe it is never OK to disrespect the troops especially before they head into battle. I believe that the worst form of troop disrespect, and therefore the biggest knock to the US, is to lie in order to send them to die. If he doesn't believe that that is what happened tell him to read a newspaper and call a recruiter.

[Broken_Hero]

16. Very good post...

that about sums up what i would say, but it sounds like this guy will probably dance around with name calling, and you cant' prove that, in short, ignoring any debate.

[electricray]

19. You win if he reads it at all.

If you can open up a dialouge and keep it open regardless of how childish he makes it, it is a victory for all of us. This guy isn't a neo-con he is just misled and has an incredilbly skewed view of what this country represents and what its military power should be used for. If you can stomach the name calling and get to the kernel of what upsets this man about Americans of our persuasion, there may be hope for all of us who hit similar walls every day. If you do have success with him please keep us all updated, we all need pointers in this area. Anything he reads goes into his head even if it seems like he ignores it.

All that being said, if this guy has any possibility of affecting your employment just drop it all.

[Skittles]

13. ask him how the truth demoralizes troops

ask him that

[Ready4Change]

14. Send him Jib-Jab links.

See how he responds.

[EC]

15. Tell him "Dude, Where's my Country" has him meeting

with many soldiers from Iraq and letters and e-mails...and hey, wasn't MOore in Iraq?

[cynatnite]

17. Sending the troops with no exit strategy and without equipment...

is demoralizing. The troops may think their government could care less about them when they are sent into a war zone that was badly planned, badly executed with no sight in end. Why would they think the government cares about them when they don't have the right equipment that could save their lives? Why would they think they care when they have to see to their own equipment through outside sources?

If that isn't demoralizing, I don't know what is. :grr:

Tell that to the repuke.

[TahitiNut]

18. Republickers only "support our troops" with pall-bearers.

:shrug:

[SHRED]

20. Okay everyone...here is what I sent

First off a million thanks to everyone!!!
You helped me formulate thoughts I already had.

I took the liberty to "copy and paste" some of you sentences. Please forgive me but they were so good.

you guys rock!

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What's demoralizing?
The part where Moore made a film about the reasons we shouldn't have trusted Bush or the fact that every day we find more evidence that Fahrenheit 911 wasn't such a far fetched piece of Hollywood after all?

I believe it is never OK to disrespect the troops especially before they head into battle. I believe that's the worst form of troop disrespect, and therefore the biggest knock to the US, is to lie in order to send them to die.

I believe that the most demoralizing thing to a combat troop has to be the idea that the person in charge of your ultimate fate on this earth has no clue what it is to be involved in the situation he so gleefully drops you into.

Sending the troops with no exit strategy and without equipment is demoralizing. The troops may think their government could care less about them when they are sent into a war zone that was badly planned, badly executed with no sight in end. Why would they think the government cares about them when they don't have the right equipment that could save their lives? Why would they think they care when they have to see to their own equipment through outside sources?
If that isn't demoralizing, I don't know what is.

I don't buy into your suggestion that speaking out against the war is somehow against the troops.
Many troops disagree with this President.
http://optruth.org/

If you can find one rational anti-war protester that doesn't wish for the safe return of our soldiers, regardless of when that is, I will help you kick their ass. It is a fallacy, they don't exist.

This 'war' was and is based on bogus intel.
Bush/Cheney witheld crucial intel that didn't fit their plan to attack. They deceived the American public and Congress in their haste to invade.
These facts are now and will be coming out more and more. Many of us had suspected this already. They had plans for this as soon as they took office and before. 9/11 gave them cover.

Bush himself said in Sept 2003, "We have no evidence that Saddam Hussein was involved with the Sept. 11." Even though they hyped the bogus Al Qaeda link in the run up to war.

Harry Reid called a closed session of Congress today and forced the Republicans to uphold their promise to start Phase II of the investigation of the intel that led up to war. We are going to find out if real intel backed their speeches or not...finally.

The truth is starting to come out and the Plame leak was their critical mistake. You don't undermine the CIA and get away with it. The CIA asked the DOJ to investigate the leak as soon as Novak's column went out. This administration thought they could intimidate the CIA by leaking one of their agents. They fucked up. You don't do that to the CIA or our country.

It would take 400,000 troops, 3 years and an estimated 15,000 dead to just 'secure' Iraq.

Bush/Cheney/Rumsfield have 'knocked' and 'demoralized' our troops by sending them into a conflict with NO PLANS to secure the peace. They told the troops they would be welcomed with candy and flowers.

It's impossible to invade another country, kill thousands, many of them civilians, and then force our form of government on them. An occupying force will always be fought. It unifies them against us just like an armed foriegn government here would do to us.

I know a Marine there. He has confided in me that since the enlistment requirments were lowered, by Bush, to meet sagging recruitment goals, the morale has never been lower.
He wonders why he is there but does his job.
It is worse than the media lets on.

When you understand the hatred Osama bin Laden had for the secular Saddam Hussein, you understand that OBL was thrilled that we invaded Iraq. This broke Saddam's hold and now Osama and his religious fanatics, along with Iran, have a much broader influence over the region plus they use the occupation as a recruitment tool for the fanatics.

This President and this administration have demoralized our troops by sending them to their needless deaths and maimings.

The insanity that drove us to this war was created by a power-drunk greedy bunch of bastards.

[jayctravis]

21. Response: Moore probably would go to Iraq. * not so much.