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Popol Vuh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-01-05 02:28 PM
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Something Happening In the Senate Right Now!
Senator Minority Leader just finished ripping Bush a new one and at the end of his speech he demanded some kind of an investigation in accountability of the Bush administration - then he called for a closed session under Rule #21.

Something up?
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whatever4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-01-05 02:29 PM
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1. Thanks, I wasn't watching! nm
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LSparkle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-01-05 02:30 PM
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2. Thanks -- tuning in now ...
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-01-05 02:30 PM
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3. Thanks, Durbin on now press conference
Edited on Tue Nov-01-05 02:32 PM by seemslikeadream
Jay Rockefeller seems to be saying they've had it up to here enough is enough!

Indeed this is an Historic Day
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libnnc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-01-05 02:31 PM
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4. yep, Harry was pissed and
more animated than I've seen in a while. What kinds of things get discussed in closed session?
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Tesla Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-01-05 02:33 PM
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8. "Were they shaping their own Intelligence"
"Today is a historic day"!!!!
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Popol Vuh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-01-05 02:34 PM
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10. From my understanding
Things that pertain to secrete information that requires a security clearance. Whatever else, I don't know.
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-01-05 02:36 PM
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14. Whoo-hoo!
Go Harry! When democrats get angry they do amazing things! I wonder that too. Has a closed session ever happened before??
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HereSince1628 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-01-05 02:32 PM
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5. Rule 21 is on the precedence of motions. Huh?
I'm guessing there must have been another motion on the floor that required a closed session.

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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-01-05 02:32 PM
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6. Sen. Jay Rockefeller
on now. Looks good.

Thanks for the "heads up."
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-01-05 02:43 PM
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22. Jay Rockerfeller quote
"Indeed this is an Historic Day"
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LSparkle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-01-05 02:33 PM
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7. Jay Rockefeller, Durbin and Schumer in press conference
Saying they haven't been able to get the majority to complete the investigation of pre-war intel (the second part that PAT ROBERTS promised and then reneged on).

They're ripping the Administration -- want accountability now! They're going wide with this criticism ... WHOO HOOOOO!!!!
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-01-05 02:34 PM
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11. Schumer is
talking about the war and Plame .....
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-01-05 02:39 PM
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17. Schumer?
Wow. Anything from Hillary yet?
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-01-05 02:33 PM
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9. GLOVES ARE OFF!!!!
lET THE GAMES BEGIN

THE LINE IN THE SAND
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Tesla Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-01-05 02:35 PM
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12. Hope they are meaning what they are saying!!!!
Get them, go after the CROOKS!!!!
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-01-05 02:38 PM
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15. BE PREPARD EVERY DAY TO HAVE A CLOSED SESSION
Edited on Tue Nov-01-05 02:40 PM by seemslikeadream
UNTIL THEY GET SOME ACTION

the repubs can vote to end the session but if they do Dems will call for another closed session every day until something gets done
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-01-05 02:40 PM
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18. We need to support
this in a very vocal way.
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HereSince1628 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-01-05 02:41 PM
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20. But what exactly IS it?
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-01-05 02:44 PM
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24. The call for
the Senate Intelligence Committee to finally investigate the Bush administration's use/abuse of intelligence to bring the country to war. They were supposed to start last summer, but held off because it was "too close" to the elections. The republicans will try to stall this. The public needs to demand it -- much like the congress would have delayed action on Civil Rights forever, had not the public demanded action.
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HereSince1628 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-01-05 02:48 PM
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27. Ok, but I'm still confused by the parlimentary move.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-01-05 02:49 PM
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29. Bill Frist is on now ....
Edited on Tue Nov-01-05 02:50 PM by H2O Man
He is calling it a "slap in the face."

Now Trent Lott is on.

*** on edit: this part is a press conference .....
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Flying Dream Blues Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-01-05 02:59 PM
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34. And it's about time some F'in faces were slapped....HARD!!!
Do they need any help? Lots of faces I'd like to slap!
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Chiyo-chichi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-01-05 02:41 PM
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19. HUGE!
Go, Senate Dems!
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IkeWarnedUs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-01-05 02:35 PM
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13. are we finally going to get the second half of Senate Intel Report?
This is from my notes from when the first half of the Senate Intelligence Committee report was issued:

On July 9, 2004 the Senate Intelligence Committee released the first part of their report on pre-Iraq war intelligence. The report said most of the judgments used in the National Intelligence Estimate to justify the Iraq war were either overstated or not supported by the raw intelligence reporting. Prewar intelligence regarding Iraq's threat to the United States was neither reliable nor accurate.

The second part of the Intelligence Committee’s report was supposed to deal with how this bad intelligence was used and manipulated to sell the war. The Republican controlled Senate Intelligence Committee decided to hold the second part of the report until after the November elections.

I recorded the Democratic members' press conference July 9, 2004 on C-Span and transcribed what they said (its on VHS tape and I don't know any other way to share it online):

Senator Jay Rockefeller: I have one comment I need to make, and that is that if we're serious about doing intelligence reforms, why do we have to be somehow limited by the fact that the leadership in the Senate and the House are saying that we're out of here after 20 legislative days? We could work through August. We can work through September. We can come back after the election. We routinely did that in previous years, often working up until December 22nd.
This is the most dangerous moment in American history, the most devastating event in American history was 9/11. And the thought that somehow we can't get this done before the end of the year simply escapes me as an adequate rationale to honor the families of those who died and to protect the families and people who are still living, but may be in a lot more danger.

Senator Ron Wyden: I think it is absolutely imperative that the second part of our report come out before the elections. The American people have a right to know how that faulty intelligence was used. The reason why is because bad intelligence and bad policy are not mutually exclusive. You can have both. I happen to think that’s what you had here. You had faulty intelligence that was then independently compounded by an administration looking for every conceivable rationale for going to war.
So, a lot of people in Washington are betting that part two of this report won’t come out before the election. I just hope that the Congress insist that it does, that all of you and others are aware that the heavy lifting for the Committee is still ahead and we have got to get that second part that deals with how intelligence was used out.
************
It was really a question of basic math. We didn’t have the votes (laugh from Sen. Feinstein) in order to have them both come out together. I think it would have been in the public interest to have it come out together. It was just that simple.
I’ll also say though, that between now and November there is ample time to get this out. There is ample time to make sure that the two are linked.
************
I do think that it is so important to the country - this question of how intelligence was used - that we’ve got to find a way to get this out. I think if people understand - first that its doable and how important it is - we’ll get it out before November.

Senator Diane Feinstein: I agree with Senator Wyden.
I think the great bulk of the work has been done. I think probably 80% or more there. The rest is just taking these findings and relating them to how they were used by the administration. That’s pretty easy to do because you have the statements made publicly and those statements had to be based on intelligence. The only, I think, question mark in all of this is are there things the administration saw that we didn’t see? I mean, we know the president receives a daily brief that we don’t see. Otherwise, if there are any other items that they have received that we don’t have, that will have to be brought out in this study.


Senator Durbin wrote this in the July 9, 2004 Washington Post:

The Senate intelligence committee report scheduled to be released today reveals in stark terms that in many key areas, the prewar intelligence regarding Iraq's threat to the United States was neither reliable nor accurate. And the report tells only half of the story.
What's missing is the ways intelligence was used, misused, misinterpreted or ignored by administration policymakers in deciding to go to war and in making the case to the American people that war with Iraq was necessary. The intelligence committee leadership chose to defer these issues to a second report -- one that will not be released until after the November elections.
While failures by the CIA and other intelligence agencies are a significant part of the problem identified in this inquiry, the responsibility -- and the blame -- for the prewar intelligence debacle is much broader than described in today's report.

Link: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A37952-20...
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Lone_Star_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-01-05 02:39 PM
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16. Good Catch, Popol Vuh!
Welcome to DU!

Oh, this is exciting! I agree, there are questions that need to be answered! Get 'em Senators!
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Popol Vuh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-01-05 02:42 PM
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21. Thank you Lone_Star_Dem
I am very glad to have found the DU. :hi:
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-01-05 02:43 PM
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23. Oh my gosh!!! What's happening? I can't see it or hear it!
x(
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-01-05 02:47 PM
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26. Some democratic senators
are pressing for the senate Intelligence Committee to investigate the administration's use/abuse of intelliegence in order to bring the country to war. Central to this would be examining the dire warnings about "smoking guns," "mushroom clouds," and yellow cake.

Right now, Sen. Bill Frist is on complaining about the democrats. The senate is heating up. This is what the country needs. The congress owes it to the public.
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Lone_Star_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-01-05 02:49 PM
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30. Here's some other threads on the topic.
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jannyk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-01-05 02:47 PM
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25. We've finally found them...
our balls that is.

Caught Reid's speech by accident - was hoping to see Scotty squirm.
It was powerful and then he said "....and I know why.....and now I'd like to go to closed session"

I heard someone say (Durbin?) that it was the first time in 25 years?!

Also said that the majority can stop a closed session and return to business as usual. Then said we'll call a closed session everyday until we get what we want!!

We're attacking. No more cowering! We're going for the throat!!

I am so proud!



:bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce:
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Popol Vuh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-01-05 02:49 PM
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28. OMG!
Bill Frist is now whining... Says the Democrats have "Hijacked" the Senate", "An affront to the American people"

:nopity:
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LuCifer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-01-05 03:00 PM
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36. Ain't that funny!
Oh how the repukes will go ON AND ON AND ON about "whinny crybaby librulz" BUT LOOK IN THE MIRROR RETHUGS!

Damn dog, they better NOT back down from this one...

Lu
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jannyk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-01-05 02:51 PM
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31. Frist and Lott are Affronted ...
and generally blathering about how it's just not 'nice' to call a surprise Closed Session. Both petulant and sulky. Claim it is an insult to the leadership.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-01-05 02:54 PM
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32. Jon Kyl from Arizona
is a cry-baby, trying to blame an "old political score" with the CIA.
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jannyk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-01-05 02:56 PM
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33. Santoram "Dems will do anything to avoid budget cuts!!" n/t
n/t
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Flying Dream Blues Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-01-05 02:59 PM
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35. I'd say it's more like the "leadership" is an insult to America!!
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