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Presstitutes Donating Member (200 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-01-05 10:03 AM
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The Coming Bush Rebound
From Salon:

http://daoureport.salon.com/synopsis.aspx?synopsisId=6215627a-4353-4aad-982c-3d9f2904e577

BUSH'S REBOUND: The Libby indictment was an inflection point, marking a nadir in Bush's political fortunes. Going forward, the new media narrative - and the White House's raison d'etre - has shifted from "Bush the victim" to the "Bush rebound." A hasty SCOTUS pick to appease the distressed base, a roll-out of Avian Flu strategy, upcoming elections in Iraq, more terror speeches and who knows what else. All these are part of a concerted p.r. offensive with a single objective: to show an uptick in Bush's approval ratings. Once that occurs, and it likely will, the media and the rightwing noise machine can create a self-reinforcing loop by using the poll numbers to cement the 'rebound' narrative.

The media's role in this process is critical. As noted by Pre$$titutes, there's been a rash of "Can Bush recover" stories in the traditional press, but precious few reporters asking "whether Bush and Cheney should resign for lying America into war and bringing disgrace and dishonor to the Oval Office and to the country." Quote: "There's absolutely no reason the media should ask the former question and not the latter. There's no law that says they have to assist Bush in recovering his fabricated image."

It sounds counterintuitive and poll numbers seem to indicate otherwise, but Bush's supporters can take solace in the fact that their man has been largely unscathed by the many scandals plaguing the Republican Party. I would guess that conventional wisdom about Bush's personal character has not taken the hit that it might have, considering the vast majority of coverage is about scandals "swirling around him" and the media narrative has been "Bush the Victim."

Democrats have proven slow to understand the importance of 'legitimate' media narratives. In a piece about Bush's post-9/11 'leadership' aptly entitled "The Legend of Cowboy George, Brought to You by Deputy Democrats," James Boyce (HuffPo) points out at that "Myths, legends and reputations are powerful things. Once established as common knowledge or conventional wisdom, they are shatteringly hard to overcome. So and so is a jerk, such and such a place is lovely, or bug-infested or worse. It's hard to shake a myth once established. It's impossible if you don't even try. But the myth continues, the legend builds. And not only do Democrats not see it as myth, not attack it as myth, not attempt to lift the veil of the myth and show the true face of George Bush to the world, when given the opportunity to question the facade, they decline and in fact, enable the narrative to exist and grow."

Without further major developments in the Plame scandal, Bush's opponents and the Democratic establishment are running out of opportunities to personalize this fight, to permanently tarnish Bush's personal image (and not for lack of trying on the part of the netroots/grassroots). If the Plame scandal, Iraq, DeLay, Frist, Abramoff, Katrina, social security, etc. are seen as temporary political setbacks typical of the "second term jinx" - as the media is so fond of saying - then it will be that much easier to create and solidify the 'Bush rebound' narrative. The Alito showdown may be one of those opportunities...
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stepnw1f Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-01-05 10:05 AM
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1. It Won't Work... (nt)
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...of J.Temperance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-01-05 10:05 AM
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2. There would be NO Bush rebound IF
The fucking mediawhores would STOP sucking his dick EVERY day. Every time this Fascist runt is in trouble, you can ALWAYS count on the mediawhores to jump to.

God I hate these bastards.
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tuvor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-01-05 10:09 AM
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3. Why is Salon in synch with the MSM? This thing is hardly over.
"Without further major developments in the Plame scandal, Bush's opponents and the Democratic establishment are running out of opportunities...."

:wtf: Did I miss the press conference where Fitzgerald said the investigation was over??
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emald Donating Member (718 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-01-05 10:13 AM
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6. fitz said that it was over
he stated specifically that there would likely be no further indictments. It's over. There will be no justice.
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tuvor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-01-05 10:14 AM
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8. Let's see your evidence. Pronto. (Here's mine.)
Edited on Tue Nov-01-05 10:19 AM by tuvor
Because Fitzgerald stated that the investigation is not over just yet, it would seem that the conservative faithful are jumping the gun here. Rove isn’t “in the clear” as some would want us to believe and, to those who erroneously believe that nobody has been charged with outing a CIA agent, they are missing the basis of Libby’s indictment.

http://bbsnews.net/article.php/20051031180856891

Charges against Libby may not be the last for White House
http://www.jsonline.com/news/nat/oct05/366673.asp

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emald Donating Member (718 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-01-05 01:06 PM
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20. will quotes do?
made by fitz. Are quotations evidence enough? Not news articles, not some slick haired tv person's quotes, not opinions. No, the real thing: his quotes. Though I have to admit that like most lawyerly quotes his frazzle the brain a bit. But I still believe, listening to the man, that he is done with anything close to dealing with the lies of *.
so here are his statements:
1st questioneer:"...Is your investigation finished?..." to which fitz replies " It's not over, but I'll tell you this: Very rarely do you bring a charge in a case that's going to be tried and would you ever end a grand jury investigation."
Now I can't make a lot of sense from that wonderfully legal speak but I can tell you that it seems to be that there will be no further indictments. Fitz goes on to say " I can tell you, the substantial bulk of the work in this investigation is concluded". It seems almost comically apparent that an indictment would constitute a bulky thing and bulky things are concluded. Where is my thinking so far off that he's through? I mean I would like justice like ever one else. * is a liar and so his whole cabal goes. But don't look to Fitz to clear anything up with the lying lyers. He's done. Put a fork in it.
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Sydnie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-01-05 02:13 PM
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31. What he knows and what he can PROVE might be two different things
right now. That doesn't mean that he is going to stop trying to bring the truth to light. Perhaps you missed the meaning of his baseball analogy ... He is the umpire with sand in his eyes right now because these morans will LIE again and again. We are at the beginning of this process. If Libby goes to trial, there will be testimony in open court that will bring other things to light. If he attempts to plead and actually does get a deal, that deal will no doubt include him turning states evidence and shooting the shot that doesn't cross the bow but cuts right through the hull of this thing.

Fitz doesn't need a GJ all his own. He can use any GJ already in progress to make his case for additional charges. Just the fact that everyone else mentioned in the indictment was mentioned by position because they were not targets of possible future actions. Rove was the only one assigned a non-descript title (Official A), which means he is far from "off the hook".

Libby went lawyer shopping after he was indicted, although he had a lawyer BEFORE he was indicted already. Seems they have had a parting of the ways too.

Libby is a hot potato that can burn anyone he has come in contact with. And so can anyone that came in contact with him that knows something but don't realize that what they know means anything. We might not see those pieces of the puzzle until it gets to the trial.

Fitz has done what hasn't been done in 135 years by indiciting someone in the WH. I, for one, can't see it stopping there. We are not there yet, but we are nearing the top of the hill and the momentum taking us down the other side will be gigantic.

I am a glass half full person on this issue. I am waiting for my free refill.
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tuvor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-01-05 10:53 PM
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32. Give me links. n/t
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Nickster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-01-05 10:16 AM
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10. Go back and read your transcripts, he said no such thing.
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emald Donating Member (718 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-01-05 01:24 PM
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22. sorry i pissed everyone off but
full of shit? see my posts showing quotes above this. yes I did read the transcript, and watched it happen in real time, and reread it, and watched it again, and read it again, and again, and again. So I don't believe I'm making shit up. I don't find reason in his words to hope for any justice against this administrations lies and frauds. You seem to find differently and I would welcome that outcome. But how exactly does someone disagreeing with you mean they are full of shit? Man, just because someone has a different read on a press confrence doesn't mean they are full of shit, or are making stuff up.
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Beetwasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-01-05 01:50 PM
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24. Chester, It's Not a "Different Read", You ARE Outright Making Shit Up
Edited on Tue Nov-01-05 01:55 PM by Beetwasher
As other posters have pointed out by actually posting quotes from the press conference where Fitz has said, quite clearly that it's NOT over.

You have yet to point out ANYTHING supporting your bullshit.

On edit: Actually the only thing you've posted in support of your bullshit actually contradicts you. In your quote from Fitz, he clearly says "It's not over". You need to brush up on your debate tactics because you're looking pretty foolish.
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tuvor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-01-05 10:21 AM
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14. Come on, emald, put up or shut up.
I just posted more evidence that says you're full of it.
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tuvor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-01-05 10:24 AM
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15. Oh, look. I've debunked you again.
The investigation is ``not over,'' Fitzgerald said at a news conference in Washington.

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=10000082&sid=aNG2bRNBCuXU&refer=canada
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emald Donating Member (718 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-01-05 01:12 PM
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21. wow you really seem mad at me
why? I've shown you quotes. You've shown me articles and opinions. Guess the proof is in the pudding. We will see if it's done or not. You have your dreams and I have my reality. Neither one of us gets an award, right or wrong. But calling me out over and over? Again, why?
Your rudeness towards me seems like misdirected anger.
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tuvor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-01-05 10:55 PM
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33. All I've asked for is reputable links. If that's a problem for you
Edited on Tue Nov-01-05 10:58 PM by tuvor
your claims are a problem to me.

If you think that means you've made me mad at you, well, don't flatter yourself.
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-01-05 11:04 AM
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18. since you have a star i suggest you
do a little research . start with "oldleftielawyer" she(i think) has some of the best insights here at du into what is happening ,then google Fitzgerald's illinois cases. you`ll find out that he`s destroying both the republican and democratic machines and two very large street gangs in illinois. the ryan case has generated over 66 convictions and now he`s zeroing in the former governor ryan. he`s indicting people around both mayor daley and the governor blagovich and eventually he will get to them. one indictment is all it takes to open the door
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emald Donating Member (718 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-01-05 01:57 PM
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26. this gets old, repeating
I do my research when I feel like it and on this I feel like it. I read the quotes from fitz. I watched his appearance. Nice guy. Well spoken. But I don't care what he does elsewhere. I don't care if he's got a great big S on his cape. He does not seem to be going to work the case of the lies that took us to war and that is what I meant about no justice. Goddamn, I make a little comment on my "OPINION" and everyone here tells me to ..."do a little research" and then obfuscate the whole thing with nonsense articles which show nothing but other peoples opinions.
My opinion, (understand the word opinion?) is that Fitz will not go any further with his indictments. Hopefully I will be wrong. But nothing the man has said lays any proof as to further indictments. Many pundits say so. Many opinions say so. But not fitz. not yet anyway.
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ProfessorGAC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-01-05 02:11 PM
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30. You're Reading The Answer Incorrectly
You are drawing inferences from a statement that was very specific. he never specifically says the investigation is over. He never specifically says there will be no more charges. From what you cited, you INFERRED the rest.

Then you accused others of providing opinion rather than quotes. Your entire position is an opinion.
The Professor
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-01-05 10:11 AM
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Pressimism
This is like saying that the bounce at the bottom of a 1000 foot cliff will save Shrub.

He's not Wilie Coyote.

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Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-01-05 10:11 AM
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4. Would you like the script for the 2006 elections?
Democrats filibuster Alito.

Bush vows to elect a "veto proof" Senate.

Press portrays 2006 as the "Battle of the Bases".

Thanks to Diebold, ES&S et al, guess who wins...

Moral of the story: Ignore who counts the votes and who owns the media and you loose every time.
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C_U_L8R Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-01-05 10:13 AM
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5. It's called a Dead Cat Bounce (nt)
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xultar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-01-05 10:13 AM
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7. YUP! Right on the noney.
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Vinnie From Indy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-01-05 10:16 AM
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9. I agree totally that the BushCo. media operatives have a coordinated
strategy to implement any number of pro Bush stories. They have already started. CNN/GALLUP/USAToday reported yesterday that Smirky's numbers have gone up by a point AFTER the Libby indictment. LOL! Sure they have! I find it hilariously obvious that huge swaths of media are pimping for Bush.

I too do not think ultimately this will succeed for a variety of reasons. The first and foremost is the ever growing realization by many Repubs that their lives are getting worse. Then you have the ever present trait of high GOP officials to be as corrupt and dirty as they come. These guys always turn on each other out of fear, greed or opportunity. Sometimes it just takes a while and that is especially true now because BushCo learned to control the messengers after Watergate and Tricky Dick.

You can be sure that BushCo wants the Alito fight to be as nasty and ugly as it gets to distract from their legal woes.
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mr_hat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-01-05 10:18 AM
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11. This is so true. The "pre$$titutes" came out of the blocks
Monday morning -- even NPR -- trumpeting the comeback story in unison.

I don't know why, but I continue to be astonished.
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the_real_38 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-01-05 10:20 AM
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13. I got some news for you - that's lipstick on a pig...
.... The casualty rate is increasing in Iraq, gas prices are going up and power bills for the winter are going to be hurting everybody (and most importantly, me). George Bush can stand around saying Black Is White all he wants, baby - when people are hurting economically, they become a lot more attuned to what is bullshit and what is not.
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Arkana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-01-05 10:37 AM
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16. EXACTLY.
People start paying a LOT more attention when it hits them in the wallet.
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yellowcanine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-01-05 10:50 AM
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17. Yep - or polishing a turd. Either way, it never works. Once a pig turd,
always a pig turd as my grandpappy used to say..
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TallahasseeGrannie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-01-05 11:30 AM
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19. In a word, "yes."
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Johonny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-01-05 01:31 PM
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23. Hmm
Today I heard an ESPN guy praise Clinton in a direct swipe at the Bush economy. Do I think the economy is bound to be better the next three years... nope. Will Bush rebound... nope.
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