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SHRED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-01-05 08:38 AM
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Valerie's "Outing" ...there might be more to it...
Sorry if this is a dupe.

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A lot of talkingheads, pundits, and others are wondering why the Administration made such a fuss over Joe Wilson's article. Afterall, there were other articles that were critical of policy.
Why didn't they just ignore it like the rest?
They we're going to get their way anyhow.

The yellowcake article, by Joe Wilson, appears to be part, but not the biggest reason Valerie Plame was outed.

Now it's getting a bit clearer.
Seems more probable that this was the real reason Brewster/Jennings had to be taken down.
Outing Plame did just that.
The CIA front company she worked for, Brewster /Jennings, was getting a little too close it seems to ARAMCO, Saudi Arabia, Bush/Cheney, their oil production, and their shady politics.

ARAMCO is the largest oil group in the world, a state-owned Saudi company in partnership with four major US oil companies. Another one of Aramco's partners is Chevron-Texaco which gave up one of its board members, Condoleezza Rice, when she became the National Security Advisor to George Bush. All of ARAMCO's key decisions are made by the Saudi royal family while US oil expertise, personnel and technology keeps the cash coming in and the oil going out. ARAMCO operates, manages, and maintains virtually all Saudi oil fields - 25% of all the oil on the planet.

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As recently as 1991 ARAMCO had Khalid bin Mahfouz sitting on its Supreme Council or board of directors. Mahfouz, Saudi Arabia's former treasurer and the nation's largest banker, has been reported in several places to be Osama bin Laden's brother in law. However, he has denied this and brought intense legal pressure to bear demanding retractions of these allegations. He has major partnership investments with the multi-billion dollar Binladin Group of companies and he is a former director of BCCI, the infamous criminal drug-money laundering bank which performed a number of very useful services for the CIA before its 1991 collapse under criminal investigation by a whole lot of countries.

More>>> http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/7/3/16838/88864

Story developing...
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justiceischeap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-01-05 08:43 AM
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1. Kick and recom (eom)
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-01-05 08:43 AM
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2. Till I am blue in the face - EVERYTHING going on today is ROOTED in BCCI.
Edited on Tue Nov-01-05 08:47 AM by blm
9-11, Iraq, and US foreign policy.

The biggest failure in a presidential decision was when Clinton sided with Alan Greenspan over John Kerry and effectively kept the documents that opened the book on the real agenda of the BFEE away from any public scrutiny.

Those of you who push the talking point that BCCI was "so long ago" are only helping to cover up its connections to today. Let go of your personal blocks on this story and help the rest of us SPREAD THE TRUTH.
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unpossibles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-01-05 08:55 AM
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3. I agree. BCCI keeps rearing it's ugly head. n/t
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-01-05 09:01 AM
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4. Seriously - does anyone really believe that Poppy Bush woke up one day and
just decided to stop his drug and arms dealing along with his entire global network of likeminded cronies?
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AntiFascist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-02-05 03:59 AM
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61. Talk about Islamo-Fascism! nt
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-01-05 10:07 AM
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16. and who does * put in charge of the world bank??
Edited on Tue Nov-01-05 10:07 AM by flyarm
wolfowitz!!

may i suggest if some have not read it..please read greg palasts "globalization"

it tells of the * family destruction of argentinas ecoonomy..and how jeb helped enron get the oil from argentina for pennies to the dollar through the world bank!!

it is a must read..and must listen to audio if you can get it!!

fly
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WiseButAngrySara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-01-05 10:29 AM
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19. Thanks fly...do you have a link? .....n/t
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-01-05 10:49 AM
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24. it has 2 different stories but all connect the world bank..
http://www.gregpalast.com/printerfriendly.cfm?artid=212

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http://www.gregpalast.com/detail.cfm?artid=128&row=1

Greg Palast On Globalization
Znet Global Economics Watch
Friday, March 8, 2002

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http://www.gregpalast.com/detail.cfm?artid=169&row=1

Venezuela and Argentina: A Tale of Two Coups - 2004 Project Censored Award
The Guardian - New Internationalist Magazine - BBC Television
Tuesday, October 7, 2003


by Greg Palast

The big business-led coup in Venezuela failed, where international finance's coup in Argentina has succeeded. Greg Palast gives us the inside track on two very different power-grabs.

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don't miss this one!!




http://www.gregpalast.com/detail.cfm?artid=125&row=1
snip:

GP: And so one of the things that is happening is that, in fact, I was supposed to be on CNN with the head of the World Bank Jim Wolfensen and he said he would not appear on CNN ever if they put me on. And so CNN did the craziest thing and pulled me off.

AJ: So now they are threatening total boycott.



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GP: Yea, it's like the weekly president because they can't hold the nation together. And this happened because they started out in the end of the 80s with orders from the IMF and World Bank to sell-off all their assets, public assets. I mean, things we wouldn't think of doing in the US, like selling off their water system.

AJ: So they tax the people. They create big government and big government hands it off to the private IMF/World Bank. And when we get back, I want to get to the four-parts that you elegantly lay out here where they actually pay off the politicians billions to their Swiss bank accounts to do this transfer.

GP: That's right.

AJ: This is like one of the biggest stories ever, Sir. I'm sorry, please continue.

GP: So what's happening is - this is just one of them. And by the way, it's not just anyone who gets a piece of the action. The water system of Buenos Aires was sold off for a song to a company called Enron. A pipeline was sold off, that runs between Argentina and Chile, was sold off to a company called Enron.

AJ: And then the globalists blow out the Enron after transferring the assets to another dummy corporation and then they just roll the theft items off.

GP: You've got it. And by the way, you know why they moved the pipeline to Enron is that they got a call from somebody named George W. Bush in 1988.




http://www.gregpalast.com/detail.cfm?artid=128&row=1

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list of gregs articles and interviews!
http://www.gregpalast.com/columns.cfm?subject_id=3&subject_name=Globalization


fly
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-01-05 11:41 PM
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49. Greg is one of the best
He's the only reporter I really trust on issues like this. He knows all about this. You should still see his Newsnight episode on Iraq's oil. It lines it all up and yes Wolfowitz was put in the World Bank for this purpose. Poppy Bush is in control.
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unpossibles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-01-05 11:50 AM
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29. it is seriously scary
I know some of it sounds tinfoil-worthy, but the connections are just too strange. BCCI, Bush family (multiple members even), Iran-Contra, OBL, Iraq, Hussein, The Washington Cronies (didn't they play against the Globe Trotters...?), Carlyle, ARAMCO and more. And my question is this: how come no one in the media talks about the known connections, especially if they are innocent?

more info:
http://www.fas.org/irp/congress/1992_rpt/bcci/
<snip>
BCCI's unique criminal structure -- an elaborate corporate spider-web with BCCI's founder, Agha Hasan Abedi and his assistant, Swaleh Naqvi, in the middle -- was an essential component of its spectacular growth, and a guarantee of its eventual collapse. The structure was conceived by Abedi and managed by Naqvi for the specific purpose of evading regulation or control by governments. It functioned to frustrate the full understanding of BCCI's operations by anyone.

Unlike any ordinary bank, BCCI was from its earliest days made up of multiplying layers of entities, related to one another through an impenetrable series of holding companies, affiliates, subsidiaries, banks-within-banks, insider dealings and nominee relationships. By fracturing corporate structure, record keeping, regulatory review, and audits, the complex BCCI family of entities created by Abedi was able to evade ordinary legal restrictions on the movement of capital and goods as a matter of daily practice and routine. In creating BCCI as a vehicle fundamentally free of government control, Abedi developed in BCCI an ideal mechanism for facilitating illicit activity by others, including such activity by officials of many of the governments whose laws BCCI was breaking.

BCCI's criminality included fraud by BCCI and BCCI customers involving billions of dollars; money laundering in Europe, Africa, Asia, and the Americas; BCCI's bribery of officials in most of those locations; support of terrorism, arms trafficking, and the sale of nuclear technologies; management of prostitution; the commission and facilitation of income tax evasion, smuggling, and illegal immigration; illicit purchases of banks and real estate; and a panoply of financial crimes limited only by the imagination of its officers and customers.

Among BCCI's principal mechanisms for committing crimes were its use of shell corporations and bank confidentiality and secrecy havens; layering of its corporate structure; its use of front-men and nominees, guarantees and buy-back arrangements; back-to-back financial documentation among BCCI controlled entities, kick-backs and bribes, the intimidation of witnesses, and the retention of well-placed insiders to discourage governmental action.
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So, basically it makes sense why the Saudis would bankroll Shrub's business failures and the other strange connections, such as Gilead-Iraq and Bin Laden's "miraculous escape."

Even worse, Harken Energy (you know, Shrub's energy company which he coincidentally sold ALL of his stock right before they went belly up) was awarded a 35-year petroleum exploration contract with the emirate of Bahrain, even though they had no previous international or offshore drilling experience.

more:
http://www.motherjones.com/news/feature/1992/09/bushboys.html

one thing I can say that the Bush Crime Family has done well: piss me off for the past 20 years and keep me active.
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-01-05 11:43 PM
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50. Yep
Everything links together. It all goes back to Samuel Bush, Bush's great-grandfather. And with the media they're apart of the Bilderberg Group and Matthews on MSNBC last January in 2004 went to Boehmian Grove which is what the Bush family is apart of and Arnie.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-02-05 03:40 AM
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60. You beat me to it
Among their graetest hits are places like Birkenau and IG Farben

The BFEE is not new, it has mutated
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-01-05 12:53 PM
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31. Exactly why democrats should NEVER 'drop the ball' again
Edited on Tue Nov-01-05 12:54 PM by SoCalDem
We always stop just short of finishing the investigations...at least since watergate..

"No stone unturned" should be our party motto.. Creepy slithery things live under stones, and we must get them ALL, or they just hide out and return...all grown up, and with friends..

If we had been dogged about Iran Contra we would never had HAD a *² presidency or a "41" presidency..we would have not lost the congress, and would have chosen every supreme court justice since then...

This is the true price we pay when we send "moderates" and DINOs to DC..we get republican scandals, wars and a looted treasury.
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mopinko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-01-05 09:15 AM
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5. people who hire only cronies
no matter what, are not just loyal, or in need of ego strokes.
they are keeping secrets, and hoarding influence. they are criminals.
that is what makes me feel pessimistic. i am afraid * will be impeached, and everyone will think we have solved the problem. he is a puppet, raygun was a puppet, and the puppet masters tried to take down clinton. i think they created the "oil crisis" to take down jimmy carter. i wouldn't blink if you told me they shot jfk.
even *'s trial and execution for treason would solve nothing. i will not feel better unless 100 people go to jail in this country, and 100 more around the world.
thank you blm. keep saying it. some of us hear you.
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leesa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-01-05 09:24 AM
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6. It's why they hired OBL to take the rap for 9-11...keep it in the family
Besides, he was dying anyway, what's to lose.
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mopinko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-01-05 09:30 AM
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7. hmm, never thought of that
i knew 9-11 had nothing to do with the glory of allah. and that they had that story too quickly for it to be anything but planted.
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-01-05 11:49 PM
Response to Reply #5
52. I hear you
I'm convienced they killed JFK as well and why Johnson was so keen to please them with Vietnam. He didn't want to be killed or anything like that. I think the only way we're going to ever get rid of this is if you expose it for all to know.
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BamaBecky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-01-05 09:39 AM
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10. I think we could use a remedial lesson in BCCI
I have read several articles in the past - but sure could use a good cheat sheet to keep up with all of this....
Bama
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MelissaB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-01-05 09:57 AM
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13. I agree.
A lot of us are fairly new here. I read until my eyes can't take anymore and still don't know enough about BCCI.
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BamaBecky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-01-05 10:09 AM
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17. How are you doing MelissaB??
not enough hours in the day to keep up with all of this:shrug:

and not to mention the stacks of books waiting on me too!

can only get through those one at a time!

Bama:hi:
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WiseButAngrySara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-01-05 10:33 AM
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22. Isn't Octafish the in-house expert on BCCI? Maybe we can poll him to
write an updated article on how this all fits together...?
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-01-05 05:18 PM
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34. Octafish is in the house...hope he sees this.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-01-05 05:30 PM
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35. Hi, blm! Yeah. Bin Mahfouz and the Bush clan run in the same circles.
For those new to the subject:

BCCI was a bank set up by a Pakistani mystic, backed by Gulf Oil petrobillions handled by bin Mahfouz, the guy who's still chummy with the Bush and ARAMCO.

BCCI was used to launder money for drug smugglers, gun merchants, the KGB, the CIA, and terrorists of the right like Ollie North and left like Abu Nidhal. The money was used to bribe and blackmail politicians worldwide, liberal Democrat all the way through to especially conservative Republicans.

Where Plame and Brewster Jennings fit in: Money from BCCI was used to build Pakistan's H-bomb. Weird, how Pakistan got away with it, apparently with the full knowledge of George Herbert Walker Bush and Sneering Dick Cheney.

One other odd thing: President George HW Bush did all he could to bury the BCCI Affair, after all, it involved his sons, family and closest friends and business associates.

What America needs to learn: As a Freshman, Senator Kerry tried to do something about it. What's weird is how few Democrats supported him then. Let's make up for then now. It may be our last chance.


THE BCCI AFFAIR

EXECUTIVE SUMMARY


1. BCCI CONSTITUTED INTERNATIONAL FINANCIAL CRIME ON A MASSIVE AND GLOBAL SCALE. (Just like the S&L scandals that benefited BFEE.)

2. BCCI SYSTEMATICALLY BRIBED WORLD LEADERS AND POLITICAL FIGURES THROUGHOUT THE WORLD. (Red flag, Mr. Meese.)

3. BCCI DEVELOPED A STRATEGY TO INFILTRATE THE U.S. BANKING SYSTEM, WHICH IT SUCCESSFULLY IMPLEMENTED, DESPITE REGULATORY BARRIERS THAT WERE DESIGNED TO KEEP IT OUT. (Bi-partisan corruption.)

4. THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT MISHANDLED ITS INVESTIGATION AND PROSECUTION OF BCCI, AND ITS RELATIONSHIPS WITH OTHER GOVERNMENT AGENCIES CONCERNING BCCI. (In the tradition of John Mitchell, Dick Thornburgh and Ed Meese.)

5. NEW YORK DISTRICT ATTORNEY MORGENTHAU NOT ONLY BROKE THE CASE ON BCCI, BUT INDIRECTLY BROUGHT ABOUT BCCI'S GLOBAL CLOSURE. (Wasn’t the Feds. It won’t be Big John Ashcan.)

6. BCCI'S ACCOUNTANTS FAILED TO PROTECT BCCI'S INNOCENT DEPOSITORS AND CREDITORS FROM THE CONSEQUENCES OF POOR PRACTICES AT THE BANK OF WHICH THE AUDITORS WERE AWARE FOR YEARS. (Smells like deja Enron.)

7. THE CIA DEVELOPED IMPORTANT INFORMATION ON BCCI, AND INADVERTENTLY FAILED TO PROVIDE IT TO THOSE WHO COULD USE IT. (Whoda thunkit, huh Mr. Gates?)

THE CIA AND FORMER CIA OFFICIALS HAD A FAR WIDER RANGE OF CONTACTS AND LINKS TO BCCI AND BCCI SHAREHOLDERS, OFFICERS, AND CUSTOMERS, THAN HAS BEEN ACKNOWLEDGED BY THE CIA. (Just like in Florida, less than a decade later.)

8. THE FLAWED DECISIONS MADE BY REGULATORS IN THE US WHICH ALLOWED BCCI TO SECRETLY ACQUIRE US BANKS WERE CAUSED IN PART BY GAPS IN THE REGULATORY PROCESS AND IN PART BY BCCI'S USE OF WELL-CONNECTED LAWYERS TO HELP THEM THROUGH THE PROCESS. (Q: How long till Kenny Boy's pardoned?)

9. THE BANK OF ENGLAND'S REGULATION OF BCCI WAS WHOLLY INADEQUATE TO PROTECT BCCI'S DEPOSITORS AND CREDITORS, AND THE BANK OF ENGLAND WITHHELD INFORMATION ABOUT BCCI'S FRAUDS FROM PUBLIC KNOWLEDGE FOR FIFTEEN MONTHS BEFORE CLOSING THE BANK. (Ask Sneering Dick Cheney: “Arthur Andersen makes good book.”)

10. CLARK CLIFFORD AND ROBERT ALTMAN PARTICIPATED IN IMPROPRIETIES WITH BCCI IN THE UNITED STATES. (“The advisor to presidents” and a stalwart in the Democratic party is a crook? Whodaknown?)

11. ABU DHABI'S INVOLVEMENT IN BCCI'S AFFAIRS WAS FAR MORE CENTRAL THAN IT HAS ACKNOWLEDGED, INVOLVING IN SOME CASES NOMINEE RELATIONS AND NO-RISK TRANSACTIONS THAT ABU DHABI IS TODAY COVERING-UP THROUGH HIDING WITNESSES AND DOCUMENTS FROM U.S. INVESTIGATORS. (Zapata do biz with Abu Dhabi? Or was that Carlyle?)

12. BCCI MADE EXTENSIVE USE OF THE REVOLVING DOOR AND POLITICAL INFLUENCE PEDDLING IN THE UNITED STATES TO ACCOMPLISH ITS GOALS. (Carlyle was founded on this principal. Osama is Bush’s brother.)

13. BCCI'S PUBLIC RELATIONS FIRM SMEARED PEOPLE WHO WERE TELLING THE TRUTH AS PART OF ITS WORK FOR BCCI. (Then they'd send their goon-squad to disappear those who asked too many questions.)

14. BCCI ACTIVELY SOLICITED THE FRIENDSHIPS OF MAJOR U.S. POLITICAL FIGURES, AND MADE PAYMENTS TO THESE POLITICAL FIGURES, WHICH IN SOME CASES MAY HAVE BEEN IMPROPER. (Hmm.)

15. BCCI'S COMMODITIES AFFILIATE, CAPCOM, ENGAGED IN BILLIONS OF DOLLARS OF LARGELY ANONYMOUS TRADING IN THE US WHICH INCLUDED A VERY SUBSTANTIAL LEVEL OF MONEY LAUNDERING, WHILE CAPCOM SIMULTANEOUSLY DEVELOPED SIGNIFICANT TIES TO IMPORTANT U.S. TELECOMMUNICATIONS INDUSTRY EXECUTIVES AND FOREIGN INTELLIGENCE FIGURES. (Ya think?)

16. INVESTIGATIONS OF BCCI TO DATE REMAIN INCOMPLETE, AND MANY LEADS CANNOT BE FOLLOWED UP, AS THE RESULT OF DOCUMENTS BEING WITHHELD FROM US INVESTIGATORS BY THE BRITISH GOVERNMENT, AND DOCUMENTS AND WITNESSES BEING WITHHELD FROM US INVESTIGATORS BY THE GOVERNMENT OF ABU DHABI. (Like Poppy really wanted to know.)


SUMMARY OF LEGISLATIVE RECOMMENDATIONS

1. THE SUBCOMMITTEE RECOMMENDS THAT THE UNITED STATES DEVELOP A MORE AGGRESSIVE AND COORDINATED APPROACH TO INTERNATIONAL FINANCIAL CRIME, AND TO MOVE FURTHER AGAINST FOREIGN PRIVACY AND CONFIDENTIAL LAWS THAT PROTECT CRIMINALS.

2. THE SUBCOMMITTEE RECOMMENDS THAT THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT RECONSIDER THE POLICIES AND PRACTICES THAT LED TO ITS INEFFECTIVENESS IN INVESTIGATING AND PROSECUTING BCCI, AND IMPAIRED ITS ABILITY TO COOPERATE WITH OTHER INVESTIGATIONS OF BCCI BEING CONDUCTED BY THE FEDERAL RESERVE, NEW YORK DISTRICT ATTORNEY, AND THE SENATE.

3. THE SUBCOMMITTEE RECOMMENDS THAT THE CENTRAL INTELLIGENCE AGENCY AND STATE DEPARTMENT UPGRADE THE TRACKING OF FOREIGN FINANCIAL INSTITUTIONS AND ACTIVITIES, AND THE DISSEMINATION OF INFORMATION CONCERNING SUCH INSTITUTIONS.

4. THE SUBCOMMITTEE RECOMMENDS THAT THE CONGRESS CONSIDER WHETHER ADDITIONAL OVERSIGHT MECHANISMS ARE NECESSARY TO ENSURE THE CIA'S ACCOUNTABILITY ON THE PROVISION OF INFORMATION.

5. THE SUBCOMMITTEE RECOMMENDS THAT FEDERAL AGENCIES IMPOSE NEW REQUIREMENTS ON FOREIGN AUDITORS TO PROTECT U.S. INTERESTS IN ANY CASE IN WHICH ANY SUCH AGENCY IS RELYING ON AN AUDIT CERTIFIED BY A FOREIGN AUDITOR. AT MINIMUM, THIS SHOULD REQUIRE FOREIGN AUDITORS WHOSE CERTIFICATIONS ARE USED BY INSTITUTIONS DOING BUSINESS IN THE U.S. AGREE TO SUBMIT THEMSELVES TO U.S. LAWS.

6. THE SUBCOMMITTEE RECOMMENDS THAT THE PRESIDENT AND THE SECRETARY OF STATE ADVISE THE GOVERNMENT OF ABU DHABI THAT ITS WITHHOLDING OF DOCUMENTS AND WITNESSES PERTAINING TO BCCI FROM U.S. FEDERAL LAW ENFORCEMENT INVESTIGATORS, THE FEDERAL RESERVE, THE NEW YORK DISTRICT ATTORNEY AND THE CONGRESS THREATENS VITAL U.S. INTERESTS AND WILL NOT BE TOLERATED.

7. FURTHER ATTENTION NEEDS TO BE GIVEN TO THE PROBLEM OF THE REVOLVING DOOR IN WASHINGTON, AND THE IMPACT ON THE REGULATORY PROCESS AND ON LAW ENFORCEMENT OF POLITICAL INFLUENCE IN WASHINGTON. THE SUBCOMMITTEE RECOMMENDS THE CONSIDERATION OF LEGISLATING A FEDERAL STATUTORY CODE OF CONDUCT FOR ATTORNEYS WHO PRACTICE BEFORE FEDERAL AGENCIES.

8. THE SELF-REGULATION OF THE U.S COMMODITIES MARKETS BY THE COMMODITIES FUTURES TRADING COMMISSION, THE CHICAGO BOARD OF TRADE, AND THE CHICAGO MERCANTILE EXCHANGE IS INADEQUATE TO PROTECT THOSE MARKETS AGAINST MONEY LAUNDERING INVOLVING TRADES FROM ABROAD. THE SUBCOMMITTEE RECOMMENDS THAT THE EXCHANGES MAKE MONEY LAUNDERING ILLEGAL, AND DEMAND THAT THIS REQUIREMENT BE ACCEPTED BY FOREIGN COMMODITIES EXCHANGES WITH WHOM THEY DO BUSINESS, AS A CONDITION OF ACCESS TO US EXCHANGES.

9. THE SUBCOMMITTEE RECOMMENDS THAT FURTHER STEPS BE TAKEN TO INSURE ADEQUATE ACCOUNTABILITY OF FOREIGN FINANCIAL INSTITUTIONS DOING BUSINESS IN THE UNITED STATES, INCLUDING REQUIRING FOREIGN BANKS FORM SEPARATELY CAPITALIZED HOLDING COMPANIES IN THE UNITED STATES AS A CONDITION OF LICENSE AND THE CONSIDERATION BY THE FEDERAL RESERVE OF ESTABLISHMENT A MINIMUM STANDARD FOR CONSOLIDATED REGULATION THAT EXCLUDES BANK REGULATORY HAVENS.

10. THE SUBCOMMITTEE RECOMMENDS THAT FOREIGN INVESTORS WHO PURCHASE SUBSTANTIAL SHARES OF U.S. BUSINESSES BE REQUIRED TO APPEAR PERSONALLY IN THE UNITED STATES AS INSURANCE THAT THE FOREIGN INVESTOR IS NOT ACTING AS A NOMINEE FOR SOMEONE ELSE.

11. TURF WARS CONTINUE TO SEVERELY DAMAGE THE ABILITY OF LAW-ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES IN THE UNITED STATES TO DO THEIR JOB. THE SUBCOMMITTEE RECOMMENDS THE ESTABLISHMENT OF A COMMITTEE OF LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICIALS WHOSE JOB IT IS TO CONDUCT OVERSIGHT OF, PREVENT, AND RESPOND TO FAILURES OF COOPERATION IN LAW ENFORCEMENT. (I thought the intelligence failure was the result of GroupThink?).

12. THE SUBCOMMITTEE RECOMMENDS THAT A STATUTORY MECHANISM FOR THE RECEIPT BY CONGRESS OF FOREIGN FINANCIAL INFORMATION BE ESTABLISHED.

Source:

http://www.fas.org/irp/congress/1992_rpt/bcci/01exec.htm

http://www.fas.org/irp/congress/1992_rpt/bcci /
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-01-05 05:42 PM
Response to Reply #35
36. May need its own thread. And add the connex to Plame.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-03-05 05:21 PM
Response to Reply #36
70. What Bill White told Patrick Fitzgerald...
Time for Truth, words on Treasongate from a guy who crossed paths with the James R Bath and the BFEE:



November 3, 2005 -- Open letter to Patrick Fitzgerald from one-time James Bath (Dubya's Texas Air National Guard and partner) business associate:


Charles W.(Bill) White

P.O. Box 130241, Houston, Texas 77219

November 1, 2005

Patrick J. Fitzgerald, Special Counsel

Bond Federal Building

1400 New York Ave. NW, 9th floor

Washington, D.C. 20530

Re: Open Letter

Dear Mr. Fitzgerald,

I am writing to advise you that I have evidence that debunks Bush administration claims that your indictment of Vice President Cheney’s Chief of Staff is evidence that the outing of CIA undercover agent Valerie Plame was not a conspiracy, but rather an isolated incident carried out by a rouge administration official. I am living proof that both Bush administrations have a sordid history of launching brutal attacks against uncorrupt Americans when the Bushes believe that their political ambitions are in jeopardy. Based on my experience, I can assure you that what the Bush administration did in the Wilson/Plame matter amounts to little more than “business as usual”.

As your investigation into the CIA agent outing matter so aptly demonstrates, the Bush Administration routinely employs its intelligence agencies’ 3-Ds tactic to cover up when neutral parties stumble upon their dealings. They “Deny” involvement even when confronted with incontrovertible evidence, they attempt to “Discredit” the source of the truthful information, and finally, they attempt to “Divert” attention to some unrelated matter. They hide their activities behind the smoke screen of “national security” whenever an outsider gets too close while access, money and self-serving leaking are used to intimidate and control the news media.

I became a target of this methodology when I stumbled upon illegal dealings between the Bush family, the Saudis and the Israelis in the mid to late 1980’s. My former business partner, CIA cutout and W. Bush crony James R. Bath got himself in hot water when he misappropriated over a half million dollars from the Bin Laden family, for whom he served as trustee. Discovery in the litigation threatened to unearth bank records showing the laundering of Bin Laden money through Houston banks, the funneling of funds to Osama Bin Laden in Afghanistan, and Bath’s diversion of Bin Laden money to W. Bush. Politically influenced members of both the Federal and State judiciary who were trying these cases never compelled production of the incriminating banking records or permitted the cases to go to trial. Instead, the compromised judges disposed of the cases by awarding Bath and Bush’s bank “death penalty” sanctions and striking my pleadings. I lost my income, my business, my home, my family and nearly all of my personal property because I steadfastly refused to participate in the cover-up. The Harris County District Attorney’s office was unwilling to go after the Bushes or the Saudis while FBI, Comptroller of the Currency, and FINCEN investigations were stopped dead in their tracks by Bush political appointees.

Time Magazine reported on one facet of this story in its October 1990 article reporting accusations that W. Bush engaged in insider trading when he dumped his Harken Energy stock just before the price nosedived. The Manhattan District Attorney’s office followed up Time’s investigation by bringing charges against Saudi banker Sheikh Khalid Bin Mahfouz (National Commercial Bank) in the BCCI banking scandal matter. Still, the full story has never been told. Opportunistic judges, who were all-too-willing to ingratiate themselves with the Bush family, covered up for them while complicit lawyers have been rewarded by Bush administration appointments to judgeships and prestigious, career-enhancing positions within governmental agencies.

There is no telling how many others have been the victims of the two Bush Administrations’ abuse. While the President blithely dismisses his conduct as “just politics”, the unsavory conduct routinely engaged in by he and his staff is making a mockery of our Constitution, diminishing the stature of the United States as the world’s “good-guy” and threatening the legitimacy of the rule of law in America. The ability of our Country to survive the damage done by the Bush administration may well depend upon the outcome of your investigation. I sincerely hope that the Office of Special Counsel will be able to rid the Bush White house of each and every occupant who routinely engages in malicious character assassination and stand ready to provide you with any and all evidence in my possession that you deem relevant to your investigation.

Yours truly,

Bill White

Enclosures:

BinLaden trust agreement

Time Magazine article

BinMahfouz indictment

Cc: Office of the Manhattan District Attorney


Source: www.WayneMadsenReport.com

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tsuki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-01-05 11:35 PM
Response to Reply #35
47. Kerry and Brown had to take their findings to Morganthau in NY
because the FBI kept trying to block any action because of an "on-going" case in Tampa, I believe it was Tampa. (old person rusty brain.)
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TheCentepedeShoes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-01-05 11:55 PM
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53. Ah, fond memories of
days in Tampa and the tales of the Bank of Crooks and Criminals Intl. Have to Google to refresh the memory, but something about a vacation for certain South American invitees. Brought the wives and kiddies along, and while the better parts were off shopping or at Busch Gardens or somewhere, the "drug lords" went to a meeting where they got busted. It was (or seems like it was) about 25 yrs ago.
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Old and In the Way Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-02-05 03:29 AM
Response to Reply #35
59. Cheney helped with Pakistan's bomb building in the early 90s.
Haliburton and ABB sold dual use components and materials to Pakistan's nuclear madman. Gee, Cheney and Rumsfield were in charge of those companies....what a surprise.

A pair of world-class war profiteers / war mongers.


American Judas
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=103x66773
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-02-05 02:10 PM
Response to Reply #59
67. And most Americans have no clue thanks to the complicit media.
.
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Mme. Defarge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-01-05 11:20 AM
Response to Reply #10
25. Read Spider's Web
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unpossibles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-01-05 11:52 AM
Response to Reply #10
30. see my last post
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lostnfound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-01-05 09:32 PM
Response to Reply #10
41. wikipedia link might be useful 'cheat sheet'?:
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femrap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-01-05 11:14 PM
Response to Reply #10
44. I remember reading in the summer of '04 how Kerry had a big part in
bringing BCCI to light...I was surprised as to how dogged he was with the investigation. As I remember he didn't take a lot of credit for exposing the dirt, but he worked hard and persisted in getting to the Truth.

Did anyone else read that article?

I never understood why the Kerry Campaign didn't promote his part in the BCCI investigation...

ARAMCO and Bechtel are rather buddy-buddy....Bechtel builds all of their pipelines, etc.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-02-05 03:50 PM
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69. Very odd. My theory is that DNC didn't want it featured because there is
no good answer why Clinton sided with the coverup when he took office. And Shrum was no fan of using it, either.

Even when Kerry did bring iy up during the campaign, the media pretty much ignored it as if he never mentioned it at all.

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jbnow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-01-05 10:00 AM
Response to Reply #2
14. Long ago but
some of the key players are back again.
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EVDebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-01-05 11:26 AM
Response to Reply #2
26. Best source of info on BCCI on 'net that I've seen is at
THE STRANGE SAGA OF BCCI - Sightings from The Catbird Seat

www.the-catbird-seat.net/BCCI.htm

I know it's a long read but all the names and timelines appear to be there !
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-01-05 12:59 PM
Response to Reply #26
32. The National Security Archives has all the congressional documents that
were released publicly. They are a great source.
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catzies Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-01-05 10:07 PM
Response to Reply #2
43. Another reason why Poppy is so chummy with Clinton now?
Is it possible? :shrug:

K & R.
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tsuki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-01-05 11:32 PM
Response to Reply #2
46. The BCCI is the grandfather of the terrorist movement. It was not
that long ago. And the Bin Ladens are up to their necks in it, along with the BFEE. Remember it was the Bin Ladens that brokered the loan for old GHWB from the BCCI to Arbusto Oil to help GWB.

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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-02-05 09:20 AM
Response to Reply #2
64. /so this is the reason that Kerry could not become president, he knows
too much?

I am relatively new to this entire story, having first being exposed after the Nov 2 election theft in Ohio and picking up a PNAC deception dollar bill at Freepress' office.

I have a few questions if anyone would like to answer:

Why would John Kerry even be allowed to rise to the contender ranks? It was obvious that Dean was set up with the "scream". I felt at the time that Kerry was sort of pre-arranged.

I have read here that Clinton was convinced to side with Greenspan over the integrity of the economy. Is this his failure in decision making, or is his involvement deeper?

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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-02-05 02:03 PM
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65. It's exactly why they couldn't let Kerry take office. He is the ONE person
who would have DEFINITELY opened the books on BCCI.

This is why they cheated their asses off to pad their vote totals.

And my take is that Dean was pushed for months by the media while they tried to kill off Kerry's campaign. The media OVER-reported Dean's actual support on the ground, while under-reporting Kerry's.

The people of Iowa proved the media wrong, so the media tried to act as if Dean imploded on his own, and that became the storyline instead of their gross reporting that bore no resemblance to the facts on the ground in Iowa.
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-02-05 02:09 PM
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66. So Kerry should have been even more leery of the election theft and fought
He must have not only known because of Gore '00 but that the Neo cons would do everything in their power to keep him from winning. Why would he even bother-why not strike a deal with someone like Edwards who could have won and would have allowed the BCCI information to be released? He could have run at a later date down the road, after the information was released.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-02-05 03:42 PM
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68. I doubt that any Dem was aware of how the machines could be rigged till
some time after.

Putting it on just Kerry is a pretty far stretch, because if ANY of them had truly understood the machines then, that person would have raised the roof about it at the time or especially BEFORE the election.

Even Dean and Kucinich had only a narrow grasp of the issue, and neither of them launched a campaign to make people aware of machine fraud before the election, and most certainly they would have run that interference FOR the Kerry campaign before the election.

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No Exit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-01-05 09:36 AM
Response to Original message
8. Very interesting. This fits in nicely with another
theory I read somewhere. That one also began with the postulation that "Brewster Jennings had to be taken down." It asserted that the reason Brewster Jennings had to be taken down was b/c it was discovering stuff about illegal trading in nuclear materials--in which Cheney was involved.
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femrap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-01-05 11:21 PM
Response to Reply #8
45. You don't think Brewster Jennings was tracking
the neocon's planting of wmd so the war would be justified?

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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-01-05 11:56 PM
Response to Reply #45
54. I wouldn't be surprised
Plame's job was WMD's and keeping up with all of that so nothing would surprise me if she somehow got that information.
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DemonFighterLives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-01-05 09:37 AM
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9. if you find H20 Mans thread about what was Libby covering for
There is quite a bit of discussion on this. Weapons proliferation has much to do with this.
:kick:
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BamaBecky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-01-05 10:04 AM
Response to Reply #9
15. That thread appears to be BLOCKED and lost
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DemonFighterLives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-01-05 09:12 PM
Response to Reply #15
40. Sorry I went to work
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Gabi Hayes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-01-05 10:33 AM
Response to Reply #9
21. is this the thread you're talking about? Waterman/American Judas
H20+Robert Paulsen?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=4390395

bookmark it this time, if it's the right one

I found it in mine.....it's archived

I printed it up last week.....32 pages, without any of the links

well worth delving into
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BamaBecky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-01-05 06:13 PM
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37. no
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JerseygirlCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-01-05 09:48 AM
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11. kick nt
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lovuian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-01-05 09:54 AM
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12. Bin Laudin family escaped with the help of Aschcroft???
Where is he??? and BCCI and now that does make sense!!!

Saudis helped put Bush into office and Bush gets rid of Saddam for the Saudis and Bush & the Saudis rule the world!!!

No wonder why Israel was wanting to know whats up in the Pentagon???
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-01-05 01:16 PM
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33. And during the campaign Kerry flat out stated that he would get tough on
Saudis as president.

Then AOL/CNN really started hammering him. Saudis own a big chunk of AOL.
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-01-05 11:57 PM
Response to Reply #12
55. Exactly
You got it right. Don't forget the PNAC plans.
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abluelady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-01-05 10:27 AM
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18. Of Course There is More to It. eom
Now we just need Fitz to prove it. Hope he has bodyguards.
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jn2375 Donating Member (858 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-01-05 10:31 AM
Response to Original message
20. Crap I came to this conclusion myself yesterday, Plame was outed
to silence her work on WMD's she was getting to close to the truth!!!
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EVDebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-01-05 11:28 AM
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27. The 'agency' is too compartmentalized for its own good eom
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WiseButAngrySara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-01-05 10:38 AM
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23. K & R. eom
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-01-05 11:35 AM
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28. H2O man's post "the Libby Indictments..." requests making a list of 4
we each can do to get information out to the public:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=5226286&mesg_id=5226286

I posted about an NPR story I heard this morning about how effective an animation short displaying a Aunold caricature driving around in an enlarged hummer was. The story told how animations are catchy, low cost, and can reach a huge audience thru email. I suggested in the post that poignant information, like this Brewster-Jennings info, can be fed to the masses thru creative and interesting animations.
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lildreamer316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-01-05 06:23 PM
Response to Reply #28
39. DAMN good idea.
would also be more apt to reach younger voters. Let's commiserate on this..........
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lildreamer316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-01-05 06:19 PM
Response to Original message
38. Um, wow.
Shit. Thanks. Had no idea. passing this on...
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SHRED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-01-05 09:49 PM
Response to Reply #38
42. You're all welcome. Interesting isn't it?
Edited on Tue Nov-01-05 09:50 PM by SHRED
We need to go as deep as this story will take us.

:toast:
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-01-05 11:38 PM
Response to Original message
48. Of course it all ties together
It's all about Brewster Jennings and oil and goes back to BCCI and all of that. Nice to see it being reported and out there.
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walldude Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-01-05 11:45 PM
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51. Wow..
I mean, wow... :wow: :wow: :wow: :wow:
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Quixote1818 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-01-05 11:59 PM
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56. Can I be the devils advocate here
Seems to me the best way to call attention to this connection would be to out Plame. Everyone connected with Brewster Jennings would understand the connection and hand that info directly over to anyone investigating. Seems kind of stupid to me. If I were Cheney that would be the LAST thing I would want to do.

I don't know enough about how politics works though. Let me know if I am wrong.
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tkmorris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-02-05 04:26 AM
Response to Reply #56
62. It depends
I believe the thinking is that Brewster Jennings was taken down prior to actually getting the goods on Cheney et al. "Getting close" is not good enough, you need to have the proof and they didn't have it yet. Not only that but shutting it down by exposing Plame has locked everyone involved down in terms of speaking about it because all of the details are classified. There are a few people involved who clearly know a LOT more than they are saying publicly (Joe Wilson springs to mind here, even though he probably shouldn't know some of the details) and now that their cover has been blown they will never be able to speak about it.
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snot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-02-05 01:16 AM
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57. More re- BCCI, Chertoff, etc.
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-02-05 01:30 AM
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58. I KNEW IT! I posted here that they took her out because she was getting
too close to info they COULDN'T let her get to. It was a twofer.....get Wilson by sliming him for exposing them and Plame, to stop her investigation which was getting too close to their dirty deals, but I assumed it was WMD deals since that was her job. This makes sense. Cheney and oil, BIG SURPRISE! :eyes: Bastards. I do hope Fitz goes this deep.
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Dunvegan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-02-05 04:53 AM
Response to Reply #58
63. I agree that the "spite" reason that's been floated...
Edited on Wed Nov-02-05 04:53 AM by Dunvegan
...as to why Plame was outed is just not completely compelling enough.

Add spite to need to quash intelligence regarding any movement of WMDs to Iraq covertly to be found overtly (perhaps by the embedded Judith Miller) and you have all the reason for the wrath and the risk.
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lildreamer316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-03-05 05:23 PM
Response to Reply #58
71. ....so why don't we send it to him?
I mean, it couldn't hurt........hopefully.
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jazzjunkysue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-03-05 05:53 PM
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72. Carlyle is public knowledge. This is the same. Saudi family business.
That's why all the handholding and kissing of men in white sheets in Farenheit 9/11. That's why B** sat on the veranda of the white house watching the pentagon smolder with the Saudi's representative smokin cigars and drinking cognac: Also in F 9/11.

This is all public knowlege. It's not tinfoil hat. It's true.

And finally, the american public isn't profiting from it all so they're turning on them. This cost us too much in gas prices, and pride, and soldier's lives, and so we're backing out of the bargain. The price is simply too high, now.

Most people don't know the direct reasons why they backed the B** regime, but they had a vague sense they'd profit from another B** as president. They didn't know why thew were right, but they do feel cheated. And so he's at 35%.
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