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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-29-05 08:15 PM
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It's Watergate on Crack.
Many people will remember the conversations about how this war in Iraq was Vietnam on crack: it all happened so fast, including millions protesting in the streets worldwide before the war even started, the quick descent into quagmire, and so many other parallels.


And we know that this administration at its heart has many team players with actual Watergate experience on their resumes, ex-Nixon guys who've worked their way all the way up. If Nixon's MO was "just don't get caught", the rule for these guys isn't something wise, like Obey The Law, or even practical like It's The Cover-Up That Gets You, it's: "Really, really don't get caught."


But Fitzgerald was actually very clear yesterday: his job is to prosecute all matters relating to the leak and its investigation. He hasn't gotten to the truth of the leak yet, he said, because Libby lied. But he is most definitely not going to be finished until he has gotten to the truth of the leak, as he said in so many words. This just gets worse and worse for the Cheney-Rumsfeld axis of weasels.


And with the whole crack-like acceleration of history we've seen lately, the country will turn against * so fast your neck will snap. He might still show up at 35% to 40% in the polls, but everyone will know that he's a politically dead man walking.


I don't see how he can finish this term. In fact, he might already be gone, and we just don't know it yet. But either way, he's already as finished as Richard Nixon.


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TallahasseeGrannie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-29-05 08:20 PM
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1. Yes, but
I just came back from a little side trip to the right side. I knew they would spin it to their benefit, but I was really surprised how relieved they are. Bright days for the White House...little political damage...etc. I have to wonder, have I been reading DU so long I am losing perspective or something? Because these folks think the worst is over and all is well.
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northamericancitizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-29-05 08:22 PM
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2. They are in denial. nt
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northamericancitizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-29-05 08:22 PM
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3. dupe
Edited on Sat Oct-29-05 08:23 PM by northamericancitizen
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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-29-05 08:27 PM
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5. No. They don't understand it. They think this is the final score, and
that hey, they lost a good guy overboard, but now the ship sails on.

Unh-uh. Fitz didn't say he was declaring victory and walking away. He said that he hasn't been able to find the truth about the leak yet, and he's doing this as his next step in completing his original task.

If they're over there saying, whew, grand jury expired and they only got Libby, they haven't been following the law as closely as the people on DU.

And hey, you shouldn't be surprised to find out that you are right, and they are wrong.


:)
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texpatriot2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-30-05 01:35 AM
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14. "Obliviously on he sails" Calvin Trillin got it right. n.t
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peekaloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-29-05 08:27 PM
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4. NBC had a nice little closing segment on heartland 'Murka's reaction.
Some loyal Bushits weren't happy about the possibility of having been lied to about the war. Eyes are being pried open. Of course the one Bu$hbot was a "True Harriet", "since neither Bu$h nor Cheney was indicted, she still had faith in them". :puke:

There's blood in the water.
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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-29-05 08:41 PM
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7. Blood in the water.


A passage from "Blue at the Mizzen" by Patrick O'Brian struck me as apt with reference to our neo-con junta. The ship in which the main characters are sailing has been followed very closely, for many miles, by a large shark. It is suspected that while he is the only one who swims within sight, there may be many others swimming deeper and out of view.

As a demonstration of shark behavior for the naturalist on board, sailors throw buckets of fish blood over the side: "...and in a split second the white foaming wake was scarlet, a most splendid scarlet for thirty yards astern and in the scarlet sharks raced to the surface, sometimes breaking water, lashing and snapping in a blind frenzy of greed and when it was found that the wounded bleeding prey did not exist they turned on the king shark, the big fellow, and a seething mass of long thin fishes not half his size tore and worried and wrenched him to pieces. It was over in barely a minute."
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texpatriot2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-30-05 01:39 AM
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15. The shark analogy is very apropos here. nm
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emulatorloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-29-05 08:36 PM
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6. kicking n/t
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spindrifter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-29-05 08:51 PM
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8. It's more like meth
which causes extreme paranoia and psychotic behavior much more often than crack does.
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texpatriot2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-30-05 08:35 AM
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17. Good point nm
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shenmue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-29-05 08:52 PM
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9. If they were using crack...
don't you think Rove et al. would be thinner?
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Clark2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-29-05 08:57 PM
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10. I think he's already gone.
I mean, honestly, Harriet Myers?
His blathering about "terra" nearly every day - especially on "bad news" days for the White House.

He's a joke and, as the fiance says, the United States is just biding time until this idiot isn't president anymore.

Oh, and :hi: Bleev! :)
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shenmue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-29-05 09:01 PM
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11. But can we take...
three whole years? Three more years of this crap?!

I mean, unless the whole thing unravels at this point, which might be true, otherwise the dumb bastard's going to stick in office until the next election. That's time to do a whole lot more damage.

I'm scared!

x( :scared: :cry:
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Clark2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-29-05 09:07 PM
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12. I don't know that he's not emasculated.
If we get a Democratic Congress - at least a Dem Senate - then it's over for him.

If we don't, yeah, three more years of this crap - unless there is rioting at gasoline and natural gas prices this winter. And, that may actually happen.
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texpatriot2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-30-05 01:34 AM
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13. My gut feeling is NO WAY HE FINISHES this term. BTW Bleever
I love the title of this thread. For years now I have said "the federal government is smoking crack" meaning this administration is so incredibly dysfunctional and sick that they are like the crack smoking parents who are cooking the stuff in the house they are so ate up with their sickness.

I think you are right about the rapidity with which things have happened and will continue to happen where these people are concerned.

NGU!
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LunaC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-30-05 01:47 AM
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16. That was my conclusion too
posted on a separate thread:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x5219013

It includes some interesting stats on the country's mood for impeachment (compliments of BlueWolf). I'd like to see how those numbers have climbed with the Libby indictment.
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