"Deleting the Flag"

[Deja Q]

Here's the link: http://www.democraticunderground.com/articles/03/10/11_flag.html Yes, it's one of ours.

As an amateur photographer myself, I am amazed and appalled at what can't be photographed.

Unless an oil refinery was photographed at SEVERAL angles with a clae intent to exploit, there is no harm in taking a photograph. :eyes:

Stil, it's good to know what our fascist society won't allow us to photograph.

I'd like to know where and when these restrictions were made onto the American public. Were they part of the "Patriot" Act, renamed "Fascist Act I" for better clarification of its intent?

"So why are you taking pictures of it then?” asked the thug. That's presuming guilt. What happened to "innocent until proven guilty"?


The b/w photo of the tattered flag behind barbed wire is absolutely striking, and relevant in the day and age which George W Bush and his ilk have graciously (and deliberately) bestowed upon us.

At least they were done on a digital camera. If it were film, the thug would have confiscated and destroyed it all. x(

Obviously the cop knew more of the area than the photographer. Doesn't that make the cop a more likely terror suspect?

What a country we live in...

[ProudGerman]

1. I know what country we live in

But there are those who keep saying we are nuts to compare this to Fascist Germany of the 30's.

You handled the situation really well. If it were me, I'd be in a federal prison by now as I would have responded to the first series of questions by saying a quick "fuck you" and walking off.

[Deja Q]

2. Oh, I am not the author...

If that's what you're suggesting, but it's a kind thought nonetheless! :D

I'm just a sappy happy commentator commenting on it...

[nolabels]

3. It has noting to do with country or state, but control of the masses

Giving them a job to do and keeping them confused on the issues

http://www.guardian.co.uk/gallery/image/0,8543,-10304263345,00.html



Made in China
Workers in a Shanghai factory struggle to keep up with the sudden demand for US flags. The Chinese company said it had orders for half a million flags.
Photo: Eugene Hoshiko, AP
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http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=162881
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US trade deficit with China surges to a record high

The Commerce Department reported that the US' overall trade gap narrowed, while congress was getting ready for another round of China bashing

The US trade deficit declined to US$39.21 billion in August, the smallest gap in six months, reflecting a big drop in imports of cars and foreign oil.

However, America's trade deficit with China surged to an all-time high, a development certain to add to the pressure in Congress to punish China for what critics contend are the country's unfair trade practices.
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http://www.freedommag.org/english/vol34I1/page15.htm
When Greed Sacrificed Democracy
The high costs of failing to safeguard human rights
Seeds of Fire
By Gordon Thomas
Dandelion Books,
Tempe, Arizona, 2001

Reviewed by Marie Bannon


Bob Dylan was once asked for his opinion of his critics. He thought for a moment and answered, “Well, imagine ... writing ... about rock’n’roll.” The same goes for book reviews—attempting in a few pages to explain or criticize what a writer took years of sweat and research to get down on the page is a questionable occupation, and, in the face of genius, can reach absurdity. What is important is that pivotal works be brought to public attention.

Seeds of Fire is such a work. Beyond just good journalism, it is a compelling history of some of the most crucial, and unknown, events of the last two decades.



A HEART WRENCHING JOURNEY INTO CHINA
Gordon Thomas (left) in Tiananmen Square; facing the camera is Tan Yaobang, a People’s Liberation Army company commander. Decisions by U.S. and other leaders to do nothing to help the Chinese people in their quest for democracy had serious consequences—for the demonstrators and for America.


he book, released at the close of 2001, begins with a story of international intrigue: how Israeli spies stole Enhanced Promis, a computer program, and how China obtained six sets of the software for $9 million from newspaper magnate Robert Maxwell, ultimately enabling them to access secrets of our government, including the nuclear secrets of Los Alamos. While this is interesting enough, it is only the beginning of the complex history that Gordon Thomas attempts.

The work really comes alive when the author takes us into China, on the verge of the student demonstrations in 1989. Thomas is a master at personalizing history, bringing the reader onto the scene through firsthand observations of people who were there. Nowhere has he done this better than in Seeds of Fire.
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“In the Beijing office of Kissinger Associates, staff sent an update on the demonstrations to the consultancy’s office in Washington.... The report would be distributed by Henry Kissinger to his fellow board members, former Presidents Jimmy Carter, Richard Nixon and Gerald Ford, as well as executive members Alexander Haig, Robert McFarlane and Zbigniew Brzezinski. Some of the most powerful men in the United States had ‘had their alarm bells rung,’ a Kissinger Associates employee would say. ...

“he United States, insisted the President, would do nothing to make things more difficult . Any approach by the students to the U.S. embassy in Beijing for help was to be firmly refused. ...
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[Deja Q]

5. Outrageous

Concentrating solely on the US flag issue, why aren't the Chinese up in arms over it? If America is so scum-sucky that it can't make its own flags...

And then the issues... ugh, I'm beyond words right now.

[Maddy McCall]

4. I took photos of Grand Gulf Nuclear Plant in Port Gibson, Mississippi...

got within 100 feet of the cooling towers...you know, those hour-glass shaped cement constructs...and no one even stopped me. I was thinking that if I could get that close with a camera, imagine what a real terrorist could do with a RPG. Seems like priorities are fucked up! It made me really mad that NO ONE was patrolling the perimeter of the nuclear plant that sits sixty miles from my house, that, if attacked, could cause my land to be unlivable for a millennium. Why isn't homeland security even paying attention to the nuclear plant? It sits on the MIssissippi River, and could be EASILY brought down if anyone wanted to.

I think the true message is that NO ONE really thinks there are terrorist here waiting to attack refineries and nuke plants. Or either no one cares if Mississippi gets blown off the face of the earth.