One federal indictment; five counts; three defendents

[Walt Starr]

The AIPAC/Franklin indictment was a single indictment with five charges and three defendents. IT was all over one crime:

http://www.fas.org/irp/ops/ci/franklin0805.pdf

Five indictments would be huge. A single indictment could have a dozen charges and a half dozen defendents easily.

[texpatriot2004]

1. Thanks Walt for this info/perspective. n.t

[Lex]

2. "A single indictment could ahve a dozen charges & a half dozen defendents"

Good.

I think it's good to know that one indictment can have several defendants and many charges within it.

Thanks, Walt.

[Walt Starr]

4. This is why I think having five indictments would be a cataclysmic

political event.

The most I could think of would be two crimes. Outting Plame and covering it up.

But five crimes?

How deep did this guy dig?

[robertpaulsen]

5. Here's five off the top of my head.

1. Conspiracy

2. Espionage Act

3. Perjury

4. Obstruction of Justice

5. IIPA

[Walt Starr]

7. you're naming charges, not crimes

Espionage, IIPA, an conspiracy could all go to the crime of outting Plame.

Conspiracy, perjury, and Obstruction would all go to the crime of the coverup.

Two indictments, three charges in each indictment with multiple defendents in each.

[robertpaulsen]

8. OK Walt, now my jaw is on the floor.

So what you're saying is, when TWN is talking about 1-5 indictments being issued, that you think "indictments" refers to the crime of outting Plame, the crime of the cover-up and possibly three other crimes? Each with the possibility of multiple charges and naturally multiple defendents?!

Please be right. Please, please be right!

:wow::wow::wow::wow::wow::wow::wow::wow::wow::wow::wow:wow:wow:

OK, now that I've recovered from the shock, here's a new list of crimes:

1. Blowing Plame's cover.

2. Covering up blowing Plame's cover.

3. Niger forgeries

4. Deceiving the country into war.

5. ???

[Walt Starr]

13. You're getting it.

:evilgrin:

For the life of me, I cannot think of five seperate crimes.

[LiberalEsto]

9. Would conspiracy fall under RICO?

anyone know?

[Walt Starr]

14. RICO Could be there for ay of the crimes, potentially n/t

[Emit]

3. Thanks for the info--I was just reviewing this list

and imagining how it might play out:

October 18, 2005
The F List
From today's Hotline:

Here's a list of folks who have either testified or have been interviewed by Patrick Fitzgerald (or by FBI agents) in connection with the Plame probe. Please send us omissions and additions and expansions. Anonymity is guaranteed. To repeat: the list below is of those who have been interviewed by officials in connection with the case. Inclusion does not necessarily indicate that the listed person has testified under oath.




Bush: Early Summer, 2004 (did not testify under oath)
Cheney: Early summer, 2004 (did not testify under oath)
Ex-Dep. Sec/State Richard Armitage
WH Assist. To. Pres. Dan Bartlett
Ex-WH press aide Claire Buchan: Feb. 6, 2004
WH COS Andy Card
Time's Matt Cooper: July 13, 2005
Ex-WH press. sec. Ari Fleischer (at least twice)
A.G. Alberto Gonzales: June 18, 2004
Ex-DOS BIR dir. Carl Ford
NSA Stephen Hadley
Ex-CIA comm. dir. Bill Harlow
Assis. Sec. of Commerce/Ex-Rove assist. Izzy Hernandez
Assist. Sec. of State Karen Hughes
Ex-Sec/State counterproliferation offic. Bob Joseph
Washington Post's Glenn Kessler
Ex junior WH press aide Adam Levine: Feb. 6, 2004
Cheney CoS Irving L. "Scooter" Libby (twice)
Ex-Cheney adviser Mary Matalin: Late January, 2004
Current WH Press Sec. Scott McClellan: Feb, 6, 2004
Ex-CIA dep. dir. John McLaughlin
Cheney aide Cathie Martin
New York Times ' Judy Miller (twice)
CIA comm. dir. Jennifer Millerwise (did not go before grand jury)
Columnist Bob Novak
Ex-Sec/State Colin Powell: July 16, 2004
Ex-Abramoff assist./Rove assist. Susan Ralston
WH DCoS Karl Rove (4 times)
NBC News' Tim Russert
Stranger who stopped Novak in the street
Ex-CIA dir. George Tenet
Sen. Adviser to Sec/State Jim Wilkinson (has said he did not testify)
Ex-Amb. Joseph Wilson

On the witness list at one point but never called to tesify:


New York Times' Nick Kristoff

"Cooperated" with Fitzgerald:


Sec/State Condoleezza Rice

Others believed to have testified:


John Hannah, David Wurmser (senior members of Cheney's staff) (Hotline sources)

Other journalists mentioned in press acounts as having initially sparked Fitzgerald's interest:


Time's Massimo Calabresi
Time's Mike Duffy
Time's James Carney
NBC's Andrea Mitchell
NYTer David Sanger
Newsday's Timothy M. Phelps
Newsday's Knut Royce
Newsweek's Evan Thomas
Ex-Postie Mike Allen
NBC's Campbell Brown
WSJ ed. page. editor Paul Gigot / reporter Greg Hitt
Ex-celeb. James Guckert/Jeff Gannon

http://hotlineblog.nationaljournal.com/archives/2005/10/the_f_list.html

[Catrina]

10. No mention of Bolton or Condoleeza Rice

From what we now know, Condoleeza Rice knew Valerie Plame's identity in June, 2003, before she saw the memo on AF1. Just wondering why she ordered the state dept. not to comply with the Senate Committee's Democrats' request for the information Bolton was known to have sought on 'certain individuals'. What was she protecting him from?

[Pepper32]

6. Thanks, this is good to know!

:D

[HereSince1628]

11. Fitz' is sealing them, any chance it's to protect the AIPAC/Franklin

trial?

I know I have visions of sugar plums dancing in my head.

[Redbear]

12. I think it could be separate transactions that get separate indictments.

So, one could be the conspiracy to out Plame.

Two, could be a conspiracy involving the forged docs.

Three, could be Libby lying to the grand jury.

Four, could be Rove lying to federal investgators.

Five, could be Miller for obstruction.

Of course the first two would have multiple defendants, and the other three could have multiple counts.