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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-05 11:47 AM
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"Rove's War" the DVD set
Yesterday afternoon, a package came in the mail. It was the pile of "Rove's War," the DVD set from TakeBackTheMedia. In the northeast, we are having stormy weather, and the combination of rain and snow, and DirecTV not coming in well, I've taken the opportunity to sit near a warm fireplace and watch the show a couple of times.

As DUers know, Symbolman produced "the definitive chronology of the Plamegate outing featuring Downing Street Minutes, Joseph Wilson, and in-depth reporting." I strongly recommend that you purchase a copy of this high-quality production.

The DVD starts out with enough introductory information to make it easy for your less-informed family and friends to understand. It combines some tongue-in-cheek humor with serious information. And then it builds into a hard-hitting documentary that highlights many of the most important facts involved in the case.

A couple days ago, I read a thread on here by Will Pitt, that contained a very serious message from Ambassador Wilson to DUers. It is clear that when the indictments are handed down, the republican machine is going to shift into a higher gear of attack. We need to be ready to respond with accurate and powerful information. I think that DUers would be wise to purchase a copy of this set of two DVDs, in part to serve as a resource for the struggle, and also because it is simply a lot of fun to watch.

For more information, see: www.takebackthemedia.com
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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-05 11:49 AM
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1. K&R!
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meganmonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-05 11:50 AM
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2. I need to set aside some time to watch it!
I have it sitting at home, I got it last week. I may try to get a bunch of folks over to my house this weekend to see it.

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Turn CO Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-05 11:50 AM
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3. K & R!
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-05 11:52 AM
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4. Nominated. n/t
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fooj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-05 11:52 AM
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5. It's awesome! I'm on Disc 2!
peace.
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symbolman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-05 03:58 PM
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17. Even MORE fun there :)
Thanks for your support, very much appreciated!
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fooj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-05 05:30 PM
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21. Thank YOU, Symbolman! Information abounds!!!
Peace.
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symbolman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-26-05 09:09 PM
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30. Didja finish, huh, huh?
just wonderin' :)
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-05 11:59 AM
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6. K&R.
Peace.
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symbolman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-26-05 02:07 PM
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28. We could use more of THIS :)
especially appreciated by someone like UL who has been mercilessly POUNDING these guys on the right with GREAT INFO!
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glitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-05 11:59 AM
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7. I am the 5th! love being the 5th.
thanks for the recommendation, will definitely order.
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Pithy Cherub Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-05 12:47 PM
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10. As long as you are not *taking* the 5th, like some
* administration folks will be doing!:evilgrin:
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glitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-05 04:01 PM
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18. mwahahaha! the wait is killing me. nt
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rocktivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-05 12:22 PM
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8. I wasn't sure TBTM got my donation
Edited on Tue Oct-25-05 12:29 PM by rocknation
because I wasn't able to send it until after Symbolman's return from that Conyers forum in DC. My DVDs turned up yesterday. Looking foward to checking it out. And the rest of you, check out the preview and get on the stick!!!

:headbang:
rocknation
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demobabe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-05 12:43 PM
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9. Great information & resource
If every poster on the DU had a copy of this and watched it, many many threads would already have their questions answered.

This subject goes so deep and there are so many interesting facets to the story. Symbolman has packed a huge amount of information into a fascinating chronology and documentary that's enjoyable to watch and easy to understand.

Recommended!
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symbolman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-05 08:26 PM
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26. Thanks Sweetie
You're always so kind to me - glad I married you :)
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demobabe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-26-05 04:42 AM
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27. Awww... you're welcome
Now go to bed!

(Symbolman has barely slept the last month or two because he's been spending all his time working on this film. Thanks to H2OMan for such a wonderful review - you have no idea how much that means to Sym.)
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-05 12:48 PM
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11. I tried to watch the preview
but I don't see it. :shrug: I can hear it but I don't see a visual.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-05 12:58 PM
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12. Due to the snow ....
I'm watching it again!

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REACTIVATED IN CT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-05 01:12 PM
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13. I just tried to make a donation,
but the link did not work. I hope it is due to high traffic. I'll try again later
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REACTIVATED IN CT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-05 01:13 PM
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14. Tried again on the home page
and that one worked - not the one on the page with the preview of the film
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Tesla Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-05 01:15 PM
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15. I promise I'll watch it Sunday!!!!
I got mine also.
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symbolman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-05 03:30 PM
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16. I want to thank H2OMan whom I respect greatly for this Review
He (and many other fine minds here) has supplied us with HARD Facts as a basis for any speculation, much of which panned out, turned out to be true, some calls from 14 months ago that were SPOT ON.

He has not created any false avenues or Realities; filled anyone up with phony factoids for a few people here so Hope Starved that they in effect become "repeater stations" who are spreading non or distorted information (or just plain gossip), as seems to be happening more often on the DU - it's dangerous to base your mindset on hype that is incomplete or appears out of thin air just because you NEED to believe something. It can cause harm as it spreads like a cancer - others use it as a basis for speculation that gets farther and farther away from any rational arguements that we will NEED to use to "gird our loins" and do battle against the INCREDIBLE SPIN MACHINE just now warming up in the Plame case.

How are WE supposed to get Wilson's "Back" (as Will Pitt mentioned in conjunction with H2OMan), who we all respect - if we end up spouting distortions that may be equal to, or further out than the NeoCons who control the Media already - a lot of us promised to assist Joe Wilson, who has NOT LIED, has NOT leaked any false information (just like Fitz), who is screwing the hell out of the Bush monsters with RAW TRUTH, honed to the Facts which cannot be disputed and ALWAYS ADD UP.

Some of this disingenuous "fact patterns" are Not only dangerous to each purveyor's personal credibility, but to the DU on the whole as well - without serious discourse based on credible references we could become some sort of laughingstock on the web - we've had people get us all wiggling before like little puppies pissing in every corner simply because many of us wanted to BELIEVE something WAS going to happen, there absolutely WAS a "smoking gun" and to the point where the Admin had to step in and STOP IT. And thank God, or Koresh or whatever you have faith in that it worked. In a way the DU is STILL reeling from that, some here, based on false info started to DOUBT the deadly ILLNESS of Andy Stephenson at a time when he needed us most - man, am I glad that the ones that KNEW what was going on were able to pin folks down on the falsities and get them to cut the CRAP.

Look at how Jon Stewart handled Bill Kristol last night while Kristol kept repeating the NeoCon mantras of "We all Knew there were WMD.." (got a mouse in your Pocket, Bill?), and "Bush is a fine President, the invasion of Iraq was neccessary for their democracy to florish.

If you didn't see it, it was HEAVEN. Jon handed Kristol his ass in one sentence, right from the start - "Gee Bill, according to all your writings you were wrong about Iraq before anybody else.."

Bill was SHAKING. He could NOT defend Bush anymore. And WE need to know the FACTS to defend Joe and his WIFE. And those facts are available - from John Conyers, Ray McGovern, Cindy Sheehan, Joe Wilson, and many of their associates in Congress - in this film you see the 120+ Congresspersons and over 500,000 american signatures demanding the TRUTH from Bush, as well as Larry Johnson, Marcinkowski, Waxman, Waters, Lang, more names than I can list ALL telling the same story - they do not have to create seperate realities and maintain them..

You can watch with JOY in this film as Joe CUTS TO SHREDS very nearly ALL the Republican Talking Points like a laser beam of white heavenly light.

The research I did for this film, was cross checked, vetted, has multiple sources (at least two), been confirmed and none of it bears any relation to RUMOR, Smoke Screen, Bait & Switching and any number of trickery you might associate with Fraudulant Spin for gain. Something WE don't need to add to, because if WE add to the distortions only one side will win, the ones that LIVE for it, and kill innocent troops and civilians with it. They will use OUR distortions to "win" and kill even more, or gain more power or never be held responsible.

And with Facts and credible witnesses you can rest assured that we have our feet on firm ground. If I were to lie about these facts then our side would have already lost the battle.

So I worked hard not only for my own credibility but for those on the Progressive side as well, and anyone that wants to rally around that will win with us. Better believe that Fitz is crossing all his T's and dotting his i's - any slip-ups will force us to LOSE, and NONE of us can afford that right now at this pivotal moment in history.

I flew to DC to film the DSM Hearings because I live through the Nixon scene and I could see the beginnings of a tidal wave that could wash the FILTH from our precious White House. And the Plame Outing & DSM Hearing testimony PROVE each other to be true.. so I've joined them - Wilson was under Oath during the DSM hearings, he'd had time to digest and study all the attacks and innuendoes used to paint him by the right wing (and I really Mean the NeoCOns or CORPORATIST FACISTS like Bush) and gain even more perspective since the original attacks on him and his wife.

SO his testimony was even more revealing, covered more ground, PROVED more than earlier statements, or forced sound bites not favoring him, designed to stab him and others like Conyers in the back, to wither on the Media Vine with his newfound perspective.

I've created a Chronology that simplifies the story but at the same time is subtle enough to make you realise something LATER, like those jokes a favorite Uncle might tell you that made you WISER a few days later - the film is enlightening, entertaining (Jon Stewart SLAYS people, but adds poignancy too), and educating folks in ways they may not realise. I've learned how to teach people while making them laugh, opening them up so that the fact sticks in their head along with a good feeling so it's not forgotten so soon, and can be used to disarm a rightwinger with some wit and charm that doesn't antaganize them. In the old days right and left used to barbque together and enjoy each other and even discuss politics without vowing to burn the other's house down and kill all their pets, no scorched earth policy - and I believe we can return to that - once we BRING REAL CONSERVATIVES BACK into the fold, and convince them that the Corporatists are Snakes that will bite either side, so BOTH sides need to destroy it.

That feeling is in this film, and we can use it. But NOT if WE, as progressives buy into gossip, hype, etc as FACT. Apply the WHere, WHO, HOW, WHY and WHEN to each post or statement like a reporter yourself and see if what you're being told to believe holds water.

That's what I did, and to see UnderstandingLife, Octafish, H20Man, and many others coming to the same conclusions that I did making the film WITHOUT reading a lot of their posts over the last year until now, makes me believe that WE are correct, and have no interest or anything to gain by saying anything but what We have discovered and to marvel as it comes true, one insight after another..

Sorry to get on the soapbox here, but this may well be the most important subject and turn of events in American History, our lives may be changed forever depending on who "wins" - LIES and BULLSHIT, or Honest Rule of Law without which we have only anarchy, and are fair game, and the game is life or death now.

I would urge you to get this film, I wish I could hand it out free, but if I did I'd be in the street. And I appreciate those that recognize that THIS is important, that some Speculation has panned out to be meaningless, vapor.

Thanks H20Man for your honest and flattering review of my hard work, and I welcome anyone else's reviews as well - I like to listen to everyone, together we represent the truth, but we can be divided easily and it doesn't have to be freepers and trolls - sometimes we are our own worst enemy.

Well, I'm no Will Pitt so I'll shut up for now, but I've got a WMD right here in this film, the ultimate WMD, the TRUTH and the destruction is what YOU can cause to these Monsters that will SPIN and Distort not only what they have said, but what YOU may say - if you have distorted "facts" those will just ADD to their ammunition.

And they have killed and distorted, and destroyed enough, don't you think?

The film goes faster than you think, it's got a lot of fun in it to keep it flowing, and you'll learn more than you realise once you've watched it. I've been told that I now and again do very powerful work, and I think this is powerful, and power which can be understated can sometimes be the ultimate power.. the don't even see it coming :)

Thanks to all my friends old and new who have supported me, sending out another batch today, was up all night as I have been for months and months, so forgive me for rambling here some, I mean well, and I mean well for all of us - making these films are a community service deal for me, I could make money doing any number of things, but I can't stand idly by while the world is murdered by Bush and pals.

Just like Joe Wilson and each of you there is a saying that, "Evil wins when good men/women stand by and do NOTHING.."

Peace, and we WILL get it, rest assured and visualize more than TWO Indictments - if you watch this film you'll find that bit of 'news' frankly ridiculous.

Let's go GET those Bush Bastards!

Merry Fitzmas and Treason's Greetings! :)
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glitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-05 04:02 PM
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19. Try to rush the shipment of all today's orders - one of them is mine.
I kid. In your own time. ;)
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symbolman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-05 04:25 PM
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20. Damn, almost forgot t mail them :)
Actually I was up all night duplicating, printing and packaging about 100 of these babies to mail today..

I'll have them there quicker than Bush can grow a new Boil - which is what I sometimes wonder isn't just another "kindler, gentler head" of a Bush that's trying to ESCAPE!

Too bad that this thread that has MANY of the Issues NAILED as H20Man suggested is getting drowned out by Raw Story "is" or "isn't" news..

I'm flattered by the Review and wish more people would READ IT as I could have been dribbling all these findings out for the past year, calling them "SCOOPS" and "Developing" and made a LOT more money with ads all over TBTM..

Maybe I need to switch and show them what a bastard up older guys can be when pressed :)

Naw..

Folks, take a look at the ridiculous SPIN going on RIGHT NOW on CNN, etc.. YOU are NOT getting the story, well, I have it RIGHT HERE, and it's the REAL thing :)

thanks for your support!
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Sapphire Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-05 06:31 PM
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22. ...
:kick:
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-05 06:33 PM
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23. Mine's sitting there on my desk, looking at me..
I'll probably run it tomorrow morning..then spread it around a little.
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Generic Other Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-05 06:50 PM
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24. I agree. The video footage is powerful
Everyone should view.
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symbolman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-05 07:23 PM
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25. I know it can look daunting in a way
Edited on Tue Oct-25-05 07:25 PM by symbolman
TWO DVDs at 150 minutes, but I can guarantee you that it will FLY by, and like H2OMan you might just want to watch it again - there are even cartoons in there where you might want to freeze the image and read them or enjoy them a little more :)

So make LOTS of popcorn and invite folks over and FILL up their Heads with the info that they can use to argue a freeper out of your life.. it's so fun having the info to keep hammering them, and with the truth they fold up like a lawn chair, USE IT ;)

Please report back and tell me what you liked or didn't, so far I'm feeling good about it, especially when H2OMan posted here, I was really looking forward to hearing from folks, figured they'd need a weekend.. and thank YOU Generic Other for the thumbs up as well!

But H2OMan is now SURROUNDED by H2O in it's most pristine and beautiful form, while I sit near an air conditioner :)

Thanks for your support, means a lot to us,

your pal,

sym
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NewJeffCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-26-05 08:53 PM
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29. I will order soon
Unfortunately, if indictments are handed out tomorrow, the SHITSTORM (as I mentioned the other day) will kick into high gear and be the political equivalent of Katrina & Rita combined, with a little Asian tsunami thrown in to boot.

We really do need to be ready to counter this.

Is there a place on DU where we can get sourced facts regarding Treasongate?
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demobabe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-26-05 10:54 PM
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31. As more of the story is coming out
It's amazing to see how much of this Symbolman got right before the facts were really known. He's right on the beam, and this DVD really lays it all out.
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demobabe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-05 05:36 PM
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32. kick!
:kick:
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demobabe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-05 04:08 PM
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33. Scooter is on this DVD, too
Chronology and information about Scooter Libby's involvment also part of this DVD set. Many questions about the CIA leak and all the players are answered.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-05 04:10 PM
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34. Yep......
DUers would do well to get a copy of this DVD set. Watching it makes today all the more fun!
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