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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-05 08:12 AM
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Tenet says he doesn't remember it that way
MSNBC David Shuster


Telling Cheney about Plame
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Perky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-05 08:14 AM
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1. Yep
That does not suprise me. The Neo-Cronies do not want Tenet testifying.....That's a Pandora boxx that will unravel the whole cabal.
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-05 08:18 AM
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5. He hasn't testified has he?
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AlCzervik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-05 08:33 AM
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12. not in front of the grand jury but he and his staff talked to Fitzgerald
over a year ago.
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-05 08:19 AM
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6. Too late
Tenet already has testified and it is rumored that he was cooperating with Fitzgerald.

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Cooley Hurd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-05 08:14 AM
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2. Tenet must resemble swiss cheese at this point...
...after throwing himself on the sword repeatedly.
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OmmmSweetOmmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-05 08:17 AM
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4. Lol! Excellent observation! It would be hysterical if it wasn't so friggin
serious.
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-05 08:24 AM
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9. What could they have on Tenet that's worse than this?
Let's assume, for a moment, that Tenet is throwing himself on the sword here, and is lieing to protect Cheney.

What power does Cheney and the cabal continue to hold over the ex-CIA Director? It couldn't be some revelation about how the CIA was running the al-Qaeda cells inside the U.S. with several foreign intelligence agencies and let it all go hideously wrong on 9/11? But, that would seem to be a sword that would cut both ways - if such a thing were confirmed by Tenet, it would destroy the Bush-Cheney cabal, as well.

If not that, what do they have hanging over Tenet? Anyone want to venture some sort of informed guess?

Maybe, Tenet and the others understand that if one goes down, they're all going to drown. Maybe it does still have something to do with maintaining the cover-up the crimes of 9/11.
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Cooley Hurd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-05 08:31 AM
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11. Probably what they've had on him all along...
...of course, I have no idea what that could be, but Tenet's been a happy waterboy for the admin since 9/11 (he effectively doused his own "fiery hair" in time for the 9/11 commission hearings).

I'm beginning to wonder if Libby's notes were incorrect in saying Tenet was the bearer of the Plame info to Cheney. Perhaps it was Cheney's CIA briefer, and Libby assumed it was Tenet?:shrug:
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-05 08:33 AM
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13. Well there is this
BUDDY BUDDY
http://www.gsnmagazine.com.nyud.net:8090/images/aug_05/atta.jpg
DO THE MATH

24 MINUTES

THERE MUST HAVE BEEN A MILITARY ORDER

WATCH THIS VIDEO

http://www.bushflash.com/buddy.html
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-05 08:16 AM
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3. I saw that.
It sounds like Cheney has nothing to support any claim that Tenet told him about Plame. Previously, the VP's office had said that when Cheney asked for information on Wilson, Tenet didn't know anything about him or Plame. This new claim seems to contradict that. It is difficult to imagine that Tenet sought out information for Cheney, about something like this, and then forgot it. Hate to call Cheney a liar, but it sure seems like he is one.
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-05 10:11 AM
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17. seems to contradict
:hi:
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deminks Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-05 08:21 AM
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7. Wonder what the cabal offered him this time.
He's already got the medal Smirky gave him. How much is this worth? Maybe a second medal- that would be stunning. :sarcasm:

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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-05 08:23 AM
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8. i was wondering. if i remember correctly tenet was angry she was
outed. my thought was cheney was jsut asking for info which he has right to and tenet provided. but there is a whole to do with tenet that hasnt been uncovered yet. he was against invading iraq, until powell speech. so much doesnt jive tenet and that time with bushco's. then cia taking blame repeatedly for bushco, and he retiring. ah to be a fly on the wall
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-05 08:45 AM
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14. Tenet resigned 05/03/2004 - the day before Larry Franklin's arrest
Edited on Tue Oct-25-05 08:46 AM by leveymg
Let's see where that lies on the Plamegate/Treasongate timeline:

The indictment of Larry Franklin in the OSP-AIPAC spy case records that Israeli intelligence was providing data about alleged Iranian WMDs that ended up in Pentagon files. Like the Niger yellowcake forgeries, these Iran documents were funneled through the OSP to the White House. The indictment show that the same persons in the OSP utilized the same criminal methods -- espionage and fraud against the United States -- in a conspiracy to prompt an American military attack against Iran, just as they had manipulated the U.S. to invade Iraq.

***

April 13, 1999 - Steven Rosen, a staff analyst of the American-Israel Political Action Committee (AIPAC) and an associate begin passing classified documents obtained from US officials to Israeli intelligence officers in Washington.See, Franklin Indictment, p. 8, para. 1. http://news.findlaw.com/nytimes/docs/dod/usfrnklin80205...

May 23, 2003 - After a number of preliminary meetings with AIPAC personnel at which classified materials are revealed, Lawrence Franklin, OSP Iran desk Officer, has an unauthorized meeting with Naor Gilon, political officer at the Israeli Embassy. They discuss the nuclear program of Iran. Franklin incorporates information and advise provided by Gilon into an Action Memo for his superiors at OSP. See, Ibid. pp. 23-24, para. 6.

June 3, 2003 - Franklin and Gilon meet at the Pentagon Officers Athletic Club and discuss an unidentified American woman (likely, Judith Miller) who is not a government official and her views on the nuclear program of a Middle East country. Id., p. 24, para. 7

June 10, 2003 - State Department produces the famous INR memo that tells about Wilson's trip and his wife's involvement.

June 12, 2003 - Cheney tells Libby about Wilson's wife's work with C.I.A. and her involvement with Wilson's trip.

June 12, 2003 - the day of the conversation between Mr. Cheney and Mr. Libby, the Washington Post published a front page story reporting that the C.I.A. had sent a retired American diplomat to the Niger in February 2002 to investigate claims that Iraq had been seeking to buy uranium there. The story did not name the diplomat, who turned out to be Mr. Wilson, but it reported that his mission had not corroborated a claim about Iraq's pursuit of nuclear material that the White House had subsequently used in Mr. Bush's 2003 State of the Union address.

June 19, 2003 - Karl Rove attends party to celebrate 40th anniversary of Robert Novak's newpaper column; later (before grand jury October 2005) Rove tells Fitzgerald that he first heard about Wilson's wife at a social event outside the White House; says that he heard she works at C.I.A from Libby around July 8.

June 23, 2003 - (first interview) Libby tells Judith Miller about Wilson's wife's work at C.I.A. and her involvement with Wilson's trip (first meeting).

July 6, 2003 - Joe Wilson op-ed piece in NY Times saying "no uranium"; challenging the premises of going to war.

July 8, 2003 - (second interview during breakfast) Libby tells Miller about Joe Wilson's wife, clarifies previous conversation; same day or possibly later Miller records name "Valerie Flame" in notebook.

July 8, 2003 - Rove talks with Matt Cooper about Wilson's wife and C.I.A. work

July ?, 2003 - Rove confirms information about Wilson's wife for article Novak is preparing.

July 11, 2003 - earliest date that Robert Novak's column was distributed to newspapers; first published on July 14 outing Valerie Plame as C.I.A. operative.

December 3, 2003. Special Prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald appointed.

In late 2003 and into the Spring of 2004, the FBI and CIA gathered evidence confirming the line of authorship for the forged Niger Yellowcake documents. Those were traced from Cheney's office back to the Pentagon Office of Special Plans (OSP) which obtained them after Michael Ledeen, Harold Rhode and Larry Franklin met in Rome in December 2001 with Manoucher Ghorbanifar. Chalabi, along with Ledeen and his old CIA and Iran-Contra figure Dewey Claridge and another former CIA officer, Alan Wolf, are now accused of forging the documents.http://www.antiwar.com/justin/?articleid=7681

During this same period, the FBI continues to monitor the exchanges of classified information and documents concerning Iran and Iraq nuclear programs between Franklin and three intelligence officials assigned to the Isareli Embassy in Washington.

May 4, 2004. Larry Franklin is arrested in the OSP-AIPAC spy case, but released as a cooperating witness.

May 20, 2004. Ahmed Chalabi is placed under CIA house arrest in Baghdad. The reason given at the time was that Chalabi was suspected him of corrupt trading in goods in Iraq and of passing information on to Iran.

June 8, 2004. Gilon receives classified information directly from Franklin. Id., p.25, para. 17.

August 27, 2004. Leslie Stahl of CBS News reveals the FBI investigation into the Franklin-AIPAC spy case. Shortly thereafter, Gilon departs the US and does not return. http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/08/27/eveningnews/m...

November 9, 2004. Attorney General Ashcroft inexpectedly resigns.

***

Michael Ledeen, Harold Rhode and Dewey Clarridge remain at large. Ledeen has been implicated in the plot by former CIA counter-terrorism chief Vincent Cannistraro. www.alternet.org/waroniraq/21704/

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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-05 08:52 AM
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15.  "Israelis to be called as AIPAC witnesses"
http://english.sem40.ru/lenta/news-dir/69338.html

Lawyers for the two former AIPAC staffers accused of communicating classified information, wish to call to the stand three Israeli diplomats who were in touch with the defendants.

In a notice to court, filed Friday at the US District Court in Alexandria, Virginia, lawyers for Steve Rosen and Keith Wiessman, the former AIPAC employees who are now facing charges, declare their intention to summon the three Israelis to testify as witnesses for the defense.

The three Israelis are not named, but sources close to the case have confirmed in the past that they are Naor Gilon, the former political officer in the Israeli embassy in Washington, Rafi Barak, the former Deputy Chief of Mission and a third Israeli who was not identified.

"Counsel for the defendants are presently attempting to secure the appearance of these witnesses at trial, either voluntarily or pursuant to subpoena", write attorneys for the two AIPAC defendants to US judge T.S. Ellis. They state in the letter, that if a personal testimony in court will not be possible, the defense will seek depositions from the three Israelis.

The letter states that early notice is given to court regarding the Israeli witnesses, because of the difficulty making sure they will actually testify.

David Siegel, spokesman for the Israeli embassy in Washington, confirmed that the lawyers representing the embassy have received a notice from the defendants requesting the testimony and that the request is being examined.


http://bellaciao.org/en/article.php3?id_article=7256

JANUARY 2001 BREAK-IN AT NIGER EMBASSY

At night, between the first and second of the January 2001, a mysterious thief came to the embassy of Niger in Rome and into the residence of the counselor in charge. It turned out that some letterhead and seals (see photocopy) were missing. A second dossier on Niger-Iraq trade soon came into Martino’s hands, one that included references to uranium trafficking. Martino claims he got it from embassy personnel and that he thought it was authentic.

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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-05 09:05 AM
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16. f* ya,..... there is so much to f*in remember with just EVERYTHING
with this gang. and then we wonder why people living their lives cant follow it all. how much time did you put in accumulating that list. lol. gonna keep it thanks.
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KharmaTrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-05 08:26 AM
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10. Rut Roh...Someone's Apsen Leaves Just Turned
Oh to be a fly on the wall as Pat Fitzgerald was tuning around the talk shows, surfing the net and reading the papers this weekend. I'm sure his staff was doing the same. There's gold being mined out there as we're seeing the battle of the laywers starting to really go into full tilt.

Call this media laywer demolition derby...all the principals in this case are trying to get their story lines out as this drama unfolds...trying to find a safe haven. The delicious irony is those havens may be going right into rougher waters.
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