Grasping at straws(Freeps regarding the indictments)

[hobo_baggins]

I was checking out what the freepers had to say about the indictments that seem inevitable, and the excuses range from denial that any crime was committed, technicalities that make what they did perfectly legal, to a CIA plot against the president that made it necessary for them to break the law to protect the United States.

By now I think its pretty obvious even to the freepers that at the very least, the Bush administration did something very very fucked up. Im wondering if the shoe was on the other foot, we'd have the moral clarity to call our people out on it, or if we'd be making stupid excuses like them, I know that no matter what, theres gonna be people who won't believe on either side, but I like to pride myself on being part of the thinkers, and able to tell when im being fucked over, regardless if its a dem or repub doing the fucking.

[Mythsaje]

1. Speaking for me

I'll call bullshit wherever I see it.

It's one of the reasons I consider myself an independent progressive. Only PART of the Democratic Party speaks for me.

[hobo_baggins]

4. Thats how i feel too

I mean, when I look at the whole clinton thing...I don't think that his private life should have been made public, and its a shame that it came to that, but the minute he lied under oath, thats another story. I liked Clinton as a president, but i'll be the first to admit he fucked that situation up royally. It seems like a large portion of the right are unable to accept that any mistakes are made on their end.

[Mythsaje]

10. I had to laugh at the whole

"lying to congress" thing.

Ummm...like THAT'S anything unusual. They probably lie to each other all the time.

I consider Clinton one hell of a politician...anyone who can parse the word "is" has far more talent than I have, that's for sure.

Yeah, he screwed up big time. But I think he was also dancing through a minefield.

[liberaltrucker]

11. BTW, welcome to DU

:hi: :toast:

[FreedomAngel82]

12. Of course

The only thing Clinton did wrong with the country is he lied and that's against the law. This whole ordeal shouldn't have been made public anyways. It was between the Clinton's and whomever they were dealing with at the point whether Lewinsky or Jones.

[KharmaTrain]

20. Private Matter Yes, Public Figure, Yes...

It's one thing when a private individual's life is brought into the public and torn apart. It's another thing when it's a public figure...someone who uses the public for their own profit/advancement/power. Be it a politician, celebrity or anyone else who regularly steps in front of a camera, barks into a mike or has their name splashed on a byline. These people have crossed from the private to the public realm. While their private lives should be respected, if they attempt to represent one side of the street and it's shown they walk on the other, this information should be made public and the public judges the credibility of that individual.

Clinton did two things wrong. He lied to a judge in the discovery of a civil case. It wasn't a trial, it wasn't a criminal proceeding...it was what was later judged to be a frivolous lawsuit. Nonetheless, Clinton lied and that lie not only resulted in the impeachment circus and inquisition, but also a pretty hefty fine.

The other thing he did wrong was lie to the American people. Yes, he lied about "no having sex with that woman". We both will probaly say "big deal" and that it was/is/always will be a matter that only mattered to him, his wife and his immediate family, but for others, this was a breech of trust that was fueled by opportunists and repugnican operatives to destroy Clinton's effectiveness. I suspect Democrats will do the same thing to booosh, and justifyably for the same reasons.

I wish Clinton had come out and said "ok, so I messed around, so what". That would have saved us a year of right wing moralistic bullshit.

[madmark]

21. yeah, if he would have said "i got a bj, and?",, there would have

been a month of handwringing and that would have been about it.

[newyawker99]

22. Hi hobo_baggins!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

[liberaltrucker]

6. You hit the nail on the head

Bullshit is bullshit, whether it's Dem or Rethug. Corruption must NEVER be tolerated.

[FreedomAngel82]

8. Yep

Remember when FDR tried to pack the SCOTUS? The democrats stud up to him and told him he was wrong. If that happened now? Not a single person in the republican party would be doing that.

[Mythsaje]

13. Ummm...no...

I don't remember that. LOL. But I get your point. I hadn't heard that before, but it doesn't surprise me.

[liberaltrucker]

15. Yep, I remember reading about it

These neocon Rethugs have no honor.

[saltpoint]

2. The Freepers' champion has been pissing in his own bucket

for one term plus, and now the results are beginning to trickle in from the lab:

GUILTY.

Let the indictments flow and let the Freepers reap what they have sown. They enabled this little monster to steal two elections and they can just lick it off the floor from this point forward.

[The_Casual_Observer]

3. They could have pictures of rove sodomizing a 5 year old and would

have some kind of god damned excuse. You know they would.

[mcctatas]

9. Unless it was on a Sunday during church time and the 5 year old was

African American...nothing freeps hate worse than secularism...except maybe inter-racial relationships.:evilgrin:

[The_Casual_Observer]

16. They would still make excuses. Guaranteed.

[Kailassa]

18. And then they'd follow the teachings of the bible; blame the kid. n/t

[cynatnite]

5. Freeptards can be fun: A few favorites :)

My first question about this whole deal was WHY IN HELL was Joe Wilson chosen to go to Niger, a country not even specified in the 16 words in the SOTU speech, and this ignores the fact that Joe Wilson went to Niger before the 16 words were even uttered

******

Were the bogus docs classified at the time Wilson went to Niger?

******

Not lie, he was mislead by Clinton.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1508560/posts

[FreedomAngel82]

14. Clinton?

Oh of course. They can't have anything without having Clinton involved. :crazy: Bunch of loons.

[FreedomAngel82]

7. We all know that

if this happened under any democratic administration they would've been impeached immediatley. I mean c'mon $60 BILLION was spent on Clinton and all they got was his penis. Of course they're in denial. In their mind, because the republicans wrap themselves in religion, they're perfect and above all of this. They're in for a shocker.

[janx]

17. The evil CIA/State Dept. plot stuff comes from the RW talking points

the likes of Rush and Hannity have been pushing this, as has JimRob himself.

It's really awful, because nobody wants to believe that a president/vice-president could be that corrupt.

That's at least half of the reason that the Congress voted for this war; nobody could believe that the patriotic fervor on the heels of the catastrophe which was 9/11 would be used for such purposes as empire.

[ginnyinWI]

19. random thoughts from freeperville

--"Don't worry, Rove is in the clear. Any other indictments are meaningless. The lefties only care about Rove. The best part will be the investigation into the CIA roll after this."

--"If he decides not to indict anyone, I am going to laugh my head off at the lamestream media."

--"I think two things are going on here:
1 - in the absense of leaks, the press has to write nonsense like this to keep the story going, and
2 - make all kinds of unsubstantiated allegations based on anonymous sources that damage Bush and Rove, just in case no indictments against Rove are handed down."

--"I'm willing to wager that NO ONE will be convicted of ANYTHING. However, the way the American press works, the story is the indictment, and the trial. Guilt is absolutely irrelevant."

--"Chris Matthews is giddy tonight...it is sickening to watch."

--"I wonder what the MSM will say when Fitzgerald makers it clear that, as defined by the statute, Plame was never outted? Ooops, never mind?"

--"I'm beginning to think the WH leaked that Rove and Libby might be indicted just to see the left go crazy when they weren't.
Hey, George W. was brought up in a CIA household, with his father as Chief. He knows how to play.

--""I find this very distasteful and very Liberal & Democratic."

--"I on the other hand view this as the RNC waking up and smelling the coffee. Hope it's not to late."

:boring:

[mwb970]

23. Here's the one I liked best.

To: journalist3072
"She put her life on the line for her country, to work on issues of weapons of mass destruction, and her government repaid her by outing her for purely political reasons."

Actually, Plame herself - by recommending her husband for a high-profile assignment, her CIA superiors who approved it, and Wilson, who blabbed to the press with false information which aroused the ire of the White House, are the primary people responsible for her "outing," which was apparently a poorly-kept secret in DC prior to all this.

520 posted on 10/25/2005 7:08:07 AM PDT by Steve_Seattle

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I guess I just like the way "Steve_Seattle" shoehorned so many standard Freeper talking points into a single sentence.