John Dean to Aaron Brown: Cheney said he knew nothing of Wilson

[DeepModem Mom]

Dean is indicating that if one looks up Cheney's public statements re. Joe Wilson and Plame, tonight's story becomes a bigger story. If he didn't lie to Fitz, he lied to the press and public.

Cheney could be Hutchisoned, by some good researchers.

[fooj]

1. Yes!! Yes!! I remember that!

Nice catch!

Peace.

[fooj]

2. Do we have a link for that juicy reminder?

:hi:

[DeepModem Mom]

6. Dean seemed to be recalling it in his own mind. He must have...

come on with Aaron with very short notice.

[OldLeftieLawyer]

3. Cheney's nothing but a fucking liar

Early this summer, in his last public pronouncement (on the Larry King Show), he said that the Iraqi "insurgency is in its last throes."

Maybe he can tell that to the family of the solider who will, any minute now, become the 2,000th death in Iraq. I'm sure they'll take great comfort in that.

[lateo]

4. He said it on MTP.

I heard this on NPR just last week.

[alcuno]

7. I had been thinking the same thing tonight.

That he had been on saying he didn't know Wilson or who sent him...

[fooj]

9. Yep!

:toast: Hey Dick~~~You're TOAST!!!

Peace.

[DeepModem Mom]

13. This is from MTP transcript, 9/14/03:

MR. RUSSERT: Now, Ambassador Joe Wilson, a year before that, was sent over by the CIA because you raised the question about uranium from Africa. He says he came back from Niger and said that, in fact, he could not find any documentation that, in fact, Niger had sent uranium to Iraq or engaged in that activity and reported it back to the proper channels. Were you briefed on his findings in February, March of 2002?

VICE PRES. CHENEY: No. I don’t know Joe Wilson. I’ve never met Joe Wilson. A question had arisen. I’d heard a report that the Iraqis had been trying to acquire uranium in Africa, Niger in particular. I get a daily brief on my own each day before I meet with the president to go through the intel. And I ask lots of question. One of the questions I asked at that particular time about this, I said, “What do we know about this?” They take the question. He came back within a day or two and said, “This is all we know. There’s a lot we don’t know,” end of statement. And Joe Wilson—I don’t who sent Joe Wilson. He never submitted a report that I ever saw when he came back.

I guess the intriguing thing, Tim, on the whole thing, this question of whether or not the Iraqis were trying to acquire uranium in Africa. In the British report, this week, the Committee of the British Parliament, which just spent 90 days investigating all of this, revalidated their British claim that Saddam was, in fact, trying to acquire uranium in Africa. What was in the State of the Union speech and what was in the original British White papers. So there may be difference of opinion there. I don’t know what the truth is on the ground with respect to that, but I guess—like I say, I don’t know Mr. Wilson. I probably shouldn’t judge him. I have no idea who hired him and it never came...

MR. RUSSERT: The CIA did.

VICE PRES. CHENEY: Who in the CIA, I don’t know.


Link: http://msnbc.msn.com/id/3080244/

[maddezmom]

20. thanks for posting the link

nominated :)

[chaz4jazz]

22. Just like he "didn't know John Edwards, never met him..."

Never could forgive Edwards for not calling him on that during the debate, "Never met me, for Cryin' out loud, Dick, we sat together side by side at that prayer breakfast - you'll see the tapoe of it tomorrow, I'm sure..."

[Rhiannon12866]

33. Good catch! I should have remembered that, LOL!

Cheney lies everytime he opens his mouth. It's second nature to him. And Edwards was right! The tape of the prayer breakfast was all over the news! How soon we forget...:eyes:

[TahitiNut]

23. "I don’t who sent Joe Wilson." - Cheney on 9/14/03

If that's consistent with his testimony to Fitzgerald, and since the Libby/Cheney meeting discussing not only Wilson but Plame, based on information from Tenet, preceded this Press The Meat Liathon then Dick committed perjury and obstruction of justice and conspiracy!

This is just the tip of the iceberg.

[Quixote1818]

5. This could be huge!

:toast:

[lovuian]

8. So now if Cheney testified he didn't know and did Bush???

that would be the nail in the coffin!!!

[Catherine Vincent]

10. Lying to the press is not a crime is it? He wasn't under oath.

[Quixote1818]

19. You have to think Cheney told Fritz the same thing early in the

investigation. If he didn't Fritz would have asked him why he said just the opposite in public?

[Rhiannon12866]

32. Lying to the Grand Jury is, though, even if he wasn't under oath. n/t

[Scout1071]

11. How do we know he was lying? Because his lips were moving!

Ba-dum-bum.

:rofl:

[MadAsHellNewYorker]

12. Heres a few choice quotes from Meet the Press 9/14/03:

Transcript for Sept. 14
Sunday, September 14, 2003 GUEST: Dick Cheney, vice president Tim Russert, moderator

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/3080244/

MR. RUSSERT: Reconstituted nuclear weapons. You misspoke.

VICE PRES. CHENEY: Yeah. I did misspeak. I said repeatedly during the show weapons capability. We never had any evidence that he had acquired a nuclear weapon.

MR. RUSSERT: Now, Ambassador Joe Wilson, a year before that, was sent over by the CIA because you raised the question about uranium from Africa. He says he came back from Niger and said that, in fact, he could not find any documentation that, in fact, Niger had sent uranium to Iraq or engaged in that activity and reported it back to the proper channels. Were you briefed on his findings in February, March of 2002?

VICE PRES. CHENEY: No. I don’t know Joe Wilson. I’ve never met Joe Wilson. A question had arisen. I’d heard a report that the Iraqis had been trying to acquire uranium in Africa, Niger in particular. I get a daily brief on my own each day before I meet with the president to go through the intel. And I ask lots of question. One of the questions I asked at that particular time about this, I said, “What do we know about this?” They take the question. He came back within a day or two and said, “This is all we know. There’s a lot we don’t know,” end of statement. And Joe Wilson—I don’t who sent Joe Wilson. He never submitted a report that I ever saw when he came back.

I guess the intriguing thing, Tim, on the whole thing, this question of whether or not the Iraqis were trying to acquire uranium in Africa. In the British report, this week, the Committee of the British Parliament, which just spent 90 days investigating all of this, revalidated their British claim that Saddam was, in fact, trying to acquire uranium in Africa. What was in the State of the Union speech and what was in the original British White papers. So there may be difference of opinion there. I don’t know what the truth is on the ground with respect to that, but I guess—like I say, I don’t know Mr. Wilson. I probably shouldn’t judge him. I have no idea who hired him and it never came...

[DesEtoiles]

18. yep - that's it

[shockingelk]

26. Not a contradiction

Knowing Joe Wilson and knowing who he is are two different things.

And there is a lot of time between Cheney asking for a follow-up on the Niger claim and the time of the alleged discussion with Libby.

There's enough contradictions in other things so someone is going to get nailed ... who the hammer will strike is not predictable IMHO.

[Spazito]

14. Here is a link on Cheney's comments

"And Vice President Dick Cheney's only public comments on Joe Wilson have been when questioned on NBC's "Meet the Press" on Sept. 14, "I don't know Joe Wilson. I've never met Joe Wilson" and "I have no idea who hired him."

http://www.commondreams.org/views03/0930-02.htm

[bleever]

15. Nominated because I know it's true, even if I'm not the one to find

the links right now.

:thumbsup:

[Peachhead22]

16. I'm betting Cheney lied to Fitz

Originally Rove and Libby said they got Plame's identity from reporters, not the other way around. I think that's one of the reasons why Fitz pushed reporters so hard. To verify or refute that alibi.

Fitz interviewed Cheney pretty early on. Before he went after the reporters. If Cheney, during his testimony had told Fitz that Libby got the info from him, then Fitz wouldn't have had to go so hard after the reporters. Fitz would have already had Libby on that lie.

Ergo, when interviewed, Cheney didn't tell Fitz he gave Libby the info. No doubt Fitz asked Cheney something along those lines. Cheney lied to Fitz. Special Prosecutors really don't like that. :)

<edited for clarity>

[Quixote1818]

21. Absolutely!

Here is what is going to happen when the facts behind the Indictments go down:

:nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke:


This is all going to explode into chaos!

[Jack from Charlotte]

30. What was the date of Cheney's and AWOL's meeting with Fitz?*

[Peachhead22]

31. June 24th '04

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A3668-2004Jun24.html

Fitz didn't start getting medieval with Cooper and Miller till the summer of '05.

[DesEtoiles]

17. July 7, 2003 Press Gaggle - WhiteHouse denies Cheney sent/knew Wilson

Q Can you give us the White House account of Ambassador Wilson's account of what happened when he went to Niger and investigated the suggestions that Niger was passing yellow cake to Iraq? I'm sure you saw the piece yesterday in The New York Times.

MR. FLEISCHER: Well, there is zero, nada, nothing new here. Ambassador Wilson, other than the fact that now people know his name, has said all this before. But the fact of the matter is in his statements about the Vice President -- the Vice President's office did not request the mission to Niger. The Vice President's office was not informed of his mission and he was not aware of Mr. Wilson's mission until recent press accounts -- press reports accounted for it.

So this was something that the CIA undertook as part of their regular review of events, where they sent him. But they sent him on their own volition, and the Vice President's office did not request it. Now, we've long acknowledged -- and this is old news, we've said this repeatedly -- that the information on yellow cake did, indeed, turn out to be incorrect.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2003/07/20030707-5.html

[cynatnite]

28. June 12, 2003 Cheney got info about Wilson from Tenet

The Times said it based its account on Libby's notes from a June 12, 2003, meeting between him and Cheney. According to lawyers involved in the case who described Libby's notes to the Times, they indicate Cheney got his information about Plame from George Tenet, then director of the Central Intelligence Agency.

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=10000103&sid=a1Q4b0Hy7Ikc

What a tangled web. :evilgrin:

[fooj]

24. Espionage...I can feel it!

Peace.

[ginnyinWI]

25. To Lynn Cheney: This is not a good man!!!!! n/t

[Cooley Hurd]

27. Josh Marshall brings this up, as well:

http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/006823.php

<snip>
VICE PRES. CHENEY: No. I don’t know Joe Wilson. I’ve never met Joe Wilson.
<snip>

This would have been three and a half months after Cheney reportedly received a detailed briefing on just what had happened from George Tenet.

-- Josh Marshall
</snip>

[DeepModem Mom]

29. An a.m. kick, FYI