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Quixote1818 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-05 11:41 AM
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CIA running covert op against the White House looks to be line of attack
from the right. Rush Limbaugh is using this defense :tinfoilhat: and I came across it in this article: http://www.worldtribune.com/worldtribune/05/front2453666.3305555554.html


Of course they ALWAYS conveniently fail to mention that it was Cheney himself who requested the CIA provide it's views on the defense intelligence agency report in question. They also fail to mention that Wilson was an expert in Uranium ore and African countries which is why he was the ideal person to send. And why go after Wilson if it was the Director of Counter Proliferation who dispatched Wilson at Cheney's request? It's real easy to rip this theory apart.

Here is a sample of the desperation they are in:

Wilsongate: Did CIA run a covert op against an elected president?



By Cliff Kincaid
Cliff.Kincaid@aim.org
ACCURACY IN MEDIA
Saturday, October 22, 2005
The media version of the CIA leak case is that the White House illegally revealed a CIA employee’s identity because her husband, Joseph Wilson, was an administration critic. But former prosecutor Joseph E. diGenova says the real story is that the CIA “launched a covert operation” against the President when it sent Wilson on the mission to Africa to investigate the Iraq-uranium link. DiGenova, a former Independent Counsel who prosecuted several high-profile cases and has extensive experience on Capitol Hill, including as counsel to several Senate committees, is optimistic that Special Prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald will figure it all out.

DiGenova tells this columnist, “It seems to me somewhat strange, in terms of CIA tradecraft, that if you were really attempting to protect the identity of a covert officer, why would you send her husband overseas on a mission, without a confidentiality agreement, and then allow him when he came back to the United States to write an op-ed piece in the New York Times about it.”



That mission, he explained, leads naturally to the questions: Who is this guy? And how did he get this assignment? “That’s not the way you protect the identity of a covert officer,” he said. “If it is, then Porter Goss is doing the right thing in cleaning house” at the agency.

If the CIA is the real villain in the case, then almost everything we have been told about the scandal by the media is wrong. What’s more, it means that the CIA, perhaps the most powerful intelligence agency in the U.S. Government, was deliberately trying to undermine the Bush Administration’s Iraq War policy. The liberals who are anxious for indictments of Bush Administration officials in this case should start paying attention to this aspect of the scandal. They may be opposed to the Iraq War, but since when is the CIA allowed to run covert operations against an elected president of the U.S.?

Continued at: http://www.worldtribune.com/worldtribune/05/front2453666.3305555554.html

Be sure to write Cliff and tell him he is full of shit at: Cliff.Kincaid@aim.org

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billybob537 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-05 11:45 AM
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1. Yeah but
It wasn't intentional. ("The facts are working against me">>> Shrub.)
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reality based Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-05 11:45 AM
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2. They keep trying to shift the issue to Joe Wilson
Nothing justifies the outing of the CIA agent and undermining her work against weapons of mass destruction nor the criminal cover up of that treasonous conduct.
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Quixote1818 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-05 11:47 AM
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3. Good point! Awesome point! nt
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Quixote1818 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-05 08:41 PM
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19. .
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-05 12:34 PM
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10. Exactly
It isn't about Wilson at all. This doesn't excuse the outing of a CIA agent period. It's still treason.
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mucifer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-05 11:56 AM
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4. you know the government is messed up
when the cia has the moral highground.
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Village Idiot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-05 12:23 PM
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5. This is a really stupid theory.
It has all the hallmarks of RW talking points, tho - and if repeated oft enough...


CIA vs. WH, it is!!!
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ComerPerro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-05 12:30 PM
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6. Now who is the paranoid conspiracy theorist?
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-05 12:33 PM
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7. I've heard this argument before
"Why send her husband over seas?" blah blah blah. What, she can't have a job on her own? :eyes: I didn't know her husband had to tell her what job she could and couldn't have. That's why they have alias names. Her husband was an ambassador to Niger so that's why they sent him. Good grief.
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Old and In the Way Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-05 12:33 PM
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8. Look up 'Republican hack' in the dictionary.
Cliff's picture should be there. Yeah, Cliff, what if everyone else is wrong and Bush is right? Or, better yet, what if 'Accuracy in Media' is simply a mouthpiece for the RNC? It's your credibility Kincaid.
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cassiepriam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-05 12:33 PM
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9. since when they know he is not an elected president
<<but since when is the CIA allowed to run covert operations against an elected president of the U.S.? >>
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melissinha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-05 01:05 PM
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11. oh please.....
seems that if the said contracts for yellow cake uranium weren't forged by ex CIA GOP stooges, this wouldn't be a problem....


is this fool saying that their beloved administration fell into a trap set up by the CIA... doesn't that fooldhardiness stil make them look bad... this is pathetic.
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BrotherBuzz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-05 01:27 PM
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14. Precisely what he is saying, and his logic fallacy is showing
Spin it anyway they want, the end result augers them into the ground.
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Loonman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-05 01:08 PM
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12. Cliff Kincaid is a friggin' cheeseball
No wonder Druggie Rush is citing him.
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Cults4Bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-05 01:17 PM
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13. Cliff just misses being topped by Gucky boy.
Whats a right wing shill to do when his fave faux marine can't drive home his 8 in. (cut) point with a sigh, smile and that oozing goodness that only comes from power whore pillow talk.
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ck4829 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-05 01:29 PM
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15. I can't believe I'm saying this, but...
If this is true, GO CIA!
:patriot:
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Horse with no Name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-05 01:30 PM
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16. Have to laugh
at legally elected pResident.
:rofl:
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chat_noir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-05 01:32 PM
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17. Joseph E. diGenova...DUers discussed him before
CNN, ABC offered unchallenged legal analysis on Plame leak from Novak's partisan friends

Reporting on White House deputy chief of staff Karl Rove's alleged involvement in the leaking of covert CIA operative Valerie Plame's identity, CNN and ABC News presented unchallenged legal analysis from Victoria Toensing and Joseph E. DiGenova, respectively, both of whom defended Rove and were identified only as a "legal analyst" and a "former US attorney." Toensing and DiGenova, however, are partisan Republicans and personal friends of CNN host and columnist Robert D. Novak, who originally outed Plame in July 2003.

DiGenova and Toensing are married and are the founding partners of DiGenova & Toensing LLP, a Washington law firm. Toensing was President Reagan's deputy assistant attorney general and chief counsel to former Sen. Barry Goldwater (R-AZ). DiGenova has been described as a "confidant" of independent counsel Kenneth Starr during the Monica Lewinsky investigation and as "a former federal prosecutor now working for House Republicans" . In 1998, Toensing and DiGenova angered House Democrats by repeatedly discussing the Lewinsky investigation in the media while under contract with the House Committee on Education and the Workforce to investigate the Teamsters union . Toensing and DiGenova have a well-documented personal relationship with Novak.


http://64.233.187.104/search?q=cache:yS-EyHOUYL8J:mediamatters.org/items/200507120005+Joseph+E.+diGenova&hl=en
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Jackpine Radical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-05 01:52 PM
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18. Tsk. Tsk. Somehow I don't think this is a well-conceived plan.
Odd things often start happening when you piss off the CIA--or, as in this case, piss them off even more.

And the "Rush & Hannity said that, not us!" line may not fly well when you're talking to the people who invented the idea of planting stories and talking points.
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