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Dinger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-05 12:35 AM
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Is It Me, Or Has Rummy Avoided Being Tainted By Treasongate?
Seems like he's been awfully quiet lately.
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DRoseDARs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-05 12:37 AM
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1. When shit is flying through the air, keep your mouth shut. n/t
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Dinger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-05 12:38 AM
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2. Good Point (nt)
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DRoseDARs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-05 04:46 AM
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8. Then again, maybe he just hasn't thought of any good quips like...
..."Democracy is messy," or, "As we know, there are known knowns. There are things we know we know. We also know there are known unknowns. That is to say we know there are some things we do not know. But there are also unknown unknowns, the ones we don't know we don't know."

On that note, an old treat from 3 springs ago:
http://slate.msn.com/id/2081042/
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LiviaOlivia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-05 01:05 AM
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3. War crimes, impeachment
and possibly the Hague await Rumsfeld. That's the bright side.

A true believer knows that there's a special circle in Hell reserved for Rummy
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BrotherBuzz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-05 01:07 AM
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4. When OSP surfaces in the investigation...
he will start tap dancing.
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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-05 01:15 AM
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5. He's quietly working out a plan for Syria and staying clean so they can
appoint him VP if Cheney is forced to step down. My theory.
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longship Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-05 01:27 AM
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6. James Baker III will be new veep.
Not Rummy.
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lala_rawraw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-05 01:28 AM
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7. He is busy with torturegate
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eShirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-05 05:41 AM
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9. thread yesterday said Rummy is boarding the "doomsday plane" for a week
I am looking for this thread to send the link to my friend but can't find it. It says Rummy is flying around the world for an entire week, in what's called a "doomsday plane" that doesn't have to land because it gets refuled by other planes in-flight.

any help finding this thread would be much appreciated. :)
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eShirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-05 06:01 AM
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11. found original story w/ Google News search!
explaining why Rumsfeld can't bring back a gift Mongolian horse he was presented with in Mongolia:

"But transport for Rumsfeld's gift posed a problem.

Rumsfeld is on an eight-day, around-the-world trip aboard the National Airborne Operations Center, an aircraft nicknamed the Doomsday Plane because it would be the flying command post for U.S. leaders in the case of nuclear war.

The reconfigured Boeing 747 has a secure video-teleconferen- cing suite, nozzles for refueling in midair and oversized computer consoles for a nuclear battle staff.

But Air Force planners apparently gave no thought to stables."

http://www.statesman.com/news/content/auto/epaper/editions/sunday/news_34b563b734c4503110f1.html
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mandyky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-05 05:42 AM
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10. A few weeks ago there were rumors
that he had offered his resignation.
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highplainsdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-05 10:25 AM
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16. I posted that topic -- it was a Galloway column saying Rummy was thinking
Edited on Mon Oct-24-05 10:26 AM by highplainsdem
of resigning this month. Haven't been able to find any more info on it, but Galloway (Knight Ridder's senior military correspondent) said that was what he was hearing from his sources.
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countryjake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-05 06:07 AM
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12. Rummy has left the building!
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Walt Starr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-05 06:08 AM
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13. Yeah, I guess he's too busy being tainted by the Iraq debacle.
:shrug:
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Bernardo de La Paz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-05 06:13 AM
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14. Rumsfeld is a central part of the Cheney Cabal
Colonel Wilkerson said the vice president and the secretary of defense created a "Cheney-Rumsfeld cabal" that hijacked U.S. foreign policy. He said of former defense undersecretary Douglas Feith: "Seldom in my life have I met a dumber man." Addressing scholars, journalists and others at the New America Foundation, Wilkerson accused Bush of "cowboyism" and said he had viewed Condoleezza Rice as "extremely weak." Of American diplomacy, he fretted, "I'm not sure the State Department even exists anymore."

"What I saw was a cabal between the vice president of the United States, Richard Cheney, and the secretary of defense, Donald Rumsfeld," he said. By cutting out the bureaucracy that had to carry out those decisions, "we have courted disaster in Iraq, in North Korea, in Iran, and generally with regard to domestic crises like Katrina." If there is a nuclear terrorist attack or a major pandemic, Wilkerson continued, "you are going to see the ineptitude of this government in a way that'll take you back to the Declaration of Independence."

Wilkerson blamed Bush, "not versed in international relations and not too much interested," for letting the Cheney-Rumsfeld cabal to take over. He blamed Rice for dropping her role as honest broker to "build her intimacy with the president." And he blamed whoever gave Feith "carte blanche to tell the State Department to go screw itself."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/10/19/AR2005101902246.html

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The period between August 1974 and November 1976, when Ford lost the election to Jimmy Carter, is essential to understanding George W. Bush's disastrous misjudgments -- and Dick Cheney's role in them. In both cases, Cheney and Rumsfeld played the key role in turning opportunity into chaos. Ford, like Bush later, hadn't been elected president. As he entered office, he was overshadowed by a secretary of state (Kissinger then, Powell later) who was considered incontestably his better. Ford was caught as flat-footed by the fall of Saigon in April 1975 as Bush was by the September 2001 attacks. A better president, with more astute advisers, might have arranged a more orderly ending to the long and divisive war. But instead of heeding the country's desire for honesty and reconciliation, Rumsfeld and Cheney convinced Ford that the way to turn himself into a real president was to stir up crises in international relations while lurching to the right in domestic politics.

Having turned Ford into their instrument, Rumsfeld and Cheney staged a palace coup. They pushed Ford to fire Defense Secretary James Schlesinger, tell Vice President Nelson Rockefeller to look for another job and remove Henry Kissinger from his post as national security adviser. Rumsfeld was named secretary of defense, and Cheney became chief of staff to the president. The Yale dropout and draft dodger was, at the age of thirty-four, the second-most-powerful man in the White House.

As the 1976 election approached, Rumsfeld and Cheney used the immense powers they had arrogated to themselves to persuade Ford to scuttle the Salt II treaty on nuclear-arms control. The move helped Ford turn back Reagan's challenge for the party's nomination -- but at the cost of ceding the heart of the GOP to the New Right. Then, in the presidential election, Jimmy Carter defeated Ford by 2 million votes.

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/_/id/6450422?rnd=1129759830236&has-player=unknown

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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-05 10:21 AM
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15. I think Powell said that he and Cheney were part of the cabal.
Rummy was very much in the loop.
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