The Press was USED to sell the war in Iraq.--Chris Matthews

[Catherine Vincent]

This is what Matthews just said on Hardball. Is this the media's out?

[FrankBooth]

1. Gee? You think?

What insight from Tweety.

[blm]

72. NBC news was used by GE to sell the war for their defense division sales.

.

[wryter2000]

2. Huh?

Has that despicable worm turned?

[ewagner]

8. For today

he's turned....

show him a picture of Dubya in a flightsuit and he'll flop right back to the dark side.....

[Catherine Vincent]

17. LOL!

Thanks for the laugh.:)

[Gabi Hayes]

18. NO...of course not.....the word that should be used is COMPLICIT, not

used.

[Carla in Ca]

50. You betcha!

They played dumb and went along for the ride. They have been one-sided all along. Complicit...absolutely!

[TahitiNut]

52. Absolutely. We were virtually SCREAMING at them in late 2002 and ...

... early 2003 to examine the fraudulence of the 'case' for invading Iraq. There was abundant information available in the international press to cast far more than a doubt on the bullshit coming from the Reichbot Regime. The US MSM marched in lockstep with the Reichbots.

[Binka]

61. Aiding And Abetting As Well

Part of Speech noun
Pronunciation kEm plI sih ti
Inflected Forms complicities
Definition 1. participation in wrongdoing, esp. in a crime.
Synonyms involvement {involve (2)}
Similar Words implication , machination , conspiracy , connivance , collusion , intrigue

Used my ass. The Press is GUILTY OF TREASON BY COLLUSION!

[Tight_rope]

57. Was watching it and I thought I was loosing my mind. Say it ain't so!

[Richardo]

3. What - they're not thinking adults?

Anyone with any capacity for critical thought can not be 'used' against their will.

That is total bullshit.

[Guaranteed]

51. Exactly. There's no excuse.

We figured it out even being fed the press' bullshit. Surely they knew what they were feeding us.

[AlCzervik]

4. wow!! Was the first time the press was used to sell something?

Way to be the ball Tweety.

[SteppingRazor]

5. Of course. It's always been the out...

The media can walk away from anything by saying they were only reporting, and never involved in the first place.

[goforit]

6. Yah Chris!!....Tell us about YOU!!!...YOU were a big sell out!!!

Are ya trying to sell yourself back IN????

[writes2000]

7. Yep, he just said it. And he said if Cheney hadn't been pushing this,

there are many who believe this country never would have gone to war.

[journalist3072]

19. It all comes together now....Think about it....

Remember the reports we were hearing early on, about Cheney and Libby's many visits to the CIA? And how some analysts were feeling pressured and intimidated, as if Cheney wanted to force a certain outcome (the CIA telling the Administration "yes, Sadaam has weapons).

There is NO way that Cheney was not involved in the outing of Plame.

[lovuian]

9. Oh No Chris you were helping and aiding the Bush Whitehouse

you could have always said NO!!! This is the NEWS MEDIA's time to FRY!!!

Your a criminal too watching a crime get commited day in and day out and helping the propoganda machine!!!

[oregonindy]

10. they were used because people like miller are on the payroll

WASHINGTON - It was called the White House Iraq Group and its job was to make the case that Saddam Hussein had nuclear and biochemical weapons.

So determined was the ring of top officials to win its argument that it morphed into a virtual hit squad that took aim at critics who questioned its claims, sources told the Daily News.

--snip

Besides Rove and Libby, the group included senior White House aides Karen Hughes, Mary Matalin, James Wilkinson, Nicholas Calio, Condoleezza Rice and Stephen Hadley. WHIG also was doing more than just public relations, said a second former intel officer.

"They were funneling information to Judy Miller. Judy was a charter member," the source said.

http://www.nydailynews.com/front/story/357109p-304302c....

[cassiepriam]

11. yep, everyone's going to claim victim status, just wait.

[proud patriot]

12. I wish they had listened to my letters

I told them so ...I also told them
that we would hold the media complicit .

Do they think I have forgotten ..

media whores I remmember . You showed
one side and you did it on purpose .

Shame Shame Shame Shame Shame

[Catherine Vincent]

23. Yeah, and don't forget the millions that protested

around the world to halt this war.

[SammyWinstonJack]

13. Wow! What a revelation! Does Tweety acknowledge his part in the

selling? Or is he still enamored of Pinhead's package? :puke:

[journalist3072]

14. And this is news to WHO?! eom

[LastLiberal in PalmSprings]

15. "MATTHEWS TAKES HEAD OUT OF ASS -- Sees Shadow"

Film at eleven.

[grannylib]

53. ROTFLMAO don't DO that while I am drinking coffee! Ouch! Man, it hurts

to snort caffiene out my nose, damn...

Like Tweety wasn't right up there with the rest of the whores, failing miserably to do his JOB...
Just the memory of him gushing over Ahhhhnold's ridiculous speech at the RNC is enough to make me puke..."Could ANYTHING be BETTER than THIS???"

Yeah, fucknuts...any Liberal on the PLANET is better than that.

[grannylib]

55. Subject: ROTFLMAO don't DO that while I am drinking coffee! Ouch! Man, it

hurts to snort caffiene out my nose, damn...

Like Tweety wasn't right up there with the rest of the whores, failing miserably to do his JOB...
Just the memory of him gushing over Ahhhhnold's ridiculous speech at the RNC is enough to make me puke..."Could ANYTHING be BETTER than THIS???"

Yeah, fucknuts...any Liberal on the PLANET is better than that.

[progressivebydesign]

16. BULLSHIT. Bush was shown ON CAMERA high-fiving over it.

He was not the caboose, he was driving the train.

[kpete]

24. amazing claims

about indictments from onegoodmove.org on Kos. Very interesting. Is this ligit?

[afdip]

20. where, along the line, did you all forget h.l. mencken's

admonition that "media is the plural of mediocre?"

[alcibiades_mystery]

21. Passive voice cowardice

Was used by whom?

Say it Matthews. You were part of the Usee group, so just say it.

[Seansky]

22. when things get hot and to close CYA

[ladjf]

25. I heard him ask the question but did not hear him say that the

media was responsible.

[warrens]

26. Chrissie STILL can't sit down comfortably

[MadHound]

27. No dumbass, the press willingly whored themselves out to Bushco

And were so blinded by all of the cash and bright shiny things that they just kept right on going down that merry path.

The press was a willing participant, and they should be held responsible. Sorry Chris, no bailing out now.

PS, the dumbass remark was directed at Mathews, not the OP.

[Jacobin]

28. He conveniently forgets that the role of the media is

to question government, not spread propaganda for it.

I call bullshit on Tweety.

He knew he was being used. He participated.

He didn't question.

He spread the propaganda willingly.

He ignored Scott Ritter and made fun of him.

He is a G.E. whore and he knows it.

[xchrom]

29. oh no chris -- you sold that war like a used car sales man.

[Dr Fate]

30. So media researchers dont have "Google?"

n/t

[whatever4]

31. Hey, I'll take every little win we get!

Just saying, I know everything said here is true and very important, but just hearing he said those words means those words are reaching an audience that may have not have heard those words before.

So, it's really a good thing. It's the only way some people are ever going to know what's been going on. Has to be on the news. I know it makes them seem innocent, what a joke, they aren't saying everything that went on, but it starts the people down that path of thinking about a corrupt admin, which is the most important. I think. My head hurts.

Now go back to bashing, because it's fantastic to see these sobs start to lose. I never watch that stuff, I do CNN lite and CBS, so I depend on hearing about the good stuff on here.

[EST]

45. Your analysis of psychology, hairball cheap shill,

character black holes and rude thoughtless whoring should be required reading.
Four years of desperate preaching, teaching and pleading and still well over half that empty faith crowd thinks and repeats that Sadaam was behind the tragedies of September eleventh, two thousand one.
He has to make a slow, agonized turnaround, allowing all the anti-intellectuals to feel his pain--might be the best thing to happen to public thought in years.
Hairball Tweety might become a hero to moderate conservatives...and we'd let him, with enthusiasm.

[whatever4]

60. Thanks, and yours too

I sure hope that's not a slam, and not that I'd argue, because I know my attitude toward the change in corporate media might sound shillish. It could. And, if it did, and the reason I ask, is all I'd do is apologize. It sounds as if you mean I'm right on the mark, required reading? I hope that's what you mean, and I thank you if that's the case. :)

Gosh, I mean, I don't know how many people I've stepped away from over the politics, the war and the bastard Bush. It still hurts my feelings. And, it wasn't as if I, or most people, ever tried to come off as know-it-all's, or as if we were superior. It was never about that, never about being better, or being "right" or being selfish. The war was wrong, it was always wrong, and until the American people can admit to themselves it was wrong, along with so many other things, it just won't matter.

"He has to make a slow, agonized turnaround, allowing all the anti-intellectuals to feel his pain--might be the best thing to happen to public thought in years.'

That describes how I perceive it exactly. A bitter pill. The man they defended, again and again and again, turns out to have deserved no defense at all. Those many "they" folks are going to have to come to terms with this. I guess it goes without saying we're going to have to let them, and it's better to facilitate it than to pounce on it. Leave off the "I told you so"s. Hard to do though.

Sometimes, like today, I wake up in the wee hours of the morning, 2 AM this time. I have all this quiet time to think, and all I can think about is the horrible things happening, and the more horrible things "they" are planning to let happen. I wonder how anyone can allow it, and I worry most about the people not worried at all. How can you be hateful and so sorry for people at the same time.

They're the ones that are going to go stark raving mad. But, I'm sure you already knew that. Everything they believe in is about to all come crashing down, unless I'm badly mistaken.

It's still a total mystery to me how this has happened to our nation. To see the glib crap I used to say actually happen. To see it actually happen in a big way, a real life-ending way. In some ways, it makes me feel like a creep. A jerk. To have ever laughed. Now I just cry. There's absolutely nothing to be done but to share the truth, and right now, the truth is nothing but sadness.

Talking to other people on here is more cheerful, even if it's typically about depressing things.

[EST]

63. Historically, chiefly under democratic congresses,

political thought was, generally, ahead of that of Joe Public. The issues surrounding the social changes of forty years ago did not affect most of white America and the U S congress looked visionary and future oriented, incurring the wrath and demonization of the regressive haters, mostly republicans.
The same sort of faith-based analysis and reality filtering that allows fortune tellers to flourish and even achieve a measure of respect keeps this illegitimate administration afloat. The selective filters, which, apparently, burden a majority of humankind, help create an illusion of reality, specifically: The habit of only counting the hits. A common malady, counting the hits consists of only reporting the successes, not failures, thereby elevating the illusion makers' own warped egos and improving their status among their fellows. The curious willingness to recast misses as conditional hits and then as solid successes and still not recognize the inherent lies is shocking.
In short, the inmates have, indeed, taken over the asylum, the children have captured the school and any adult input is drowned out by sticking fingers in ears and yelling nyaaa, nyaaa, nyaaa at the accusers.
Profound misfortune is probably the only teacher they'll pay heed to, yelling for adults to be put back in charge when the destruction is complete.
I found your spare and profound description quite inspiring.

[whatever4]

73. Thank you

Know what's funny? No, just ironic, I guess. For years now, I've been watching, and worrying, and doing that back and forth, until now the problems with our government and our society/life styles are undeniable. Now, now that I believe I realize it's time, that it's time to "do something", like move out of the county, I'm more reluctant than I thought I'd be. I feel more reluctant to do anything, almost like what I accuse the "everyone else" of doing. As if if I put off doing anything, it will postpone the various problems we predict.

And it's funny to because I feel like, even if my family didn't move anywhere else, things around us are going to change. It's as if we're going to be moving, whether we want to move or not.

I agree with your final statement "Profound misfortune is probably the only teacher they'll pay heed to..."

I can't even say I'm not part of that group, in more ways than I'm comfortable with, I'm sure. I've steadfastly not filled up all our water bottles yet. Stuff like that and more, there are so many life-and-death details to remember. All I know is, oh lord, I don't want to see my family and so many others around me, near and far, learn the hard way. It's the most permanent, but it's usually the worst way to learn.

It helps to share the thoughts. For the many people that, even now, don't perceive serious problems, there doesn't seem to be much to say. Time will tell.

Hey, "spare and profound description quite inspiring" is about the nicest thing anyone ever said about what I wrote, I aim for spare! I appreciate your nice comments and great posts :)

[stopbush]

32. Ah, the media whores like Tweets. He spends 5 years

sucking bushco's dick and then says he was "used" when their cum tastes bad because they didn't tell him they ate garlic for lunch.

Ass.

33. can you sue the media for faulty information

are they watchdogs or lapdogs?

[EST]

49. When the line between reporting on the facts and

manipulating the delivery of those facts to influence the consumer disappears, the underlying conversation that the messenger has with himself to justify his behavior must resemble a deal with the devil.
Suing a talking head when he's made the move from message presenter to propagandist should be a civic duty, a legal requirement, almost.

[The Backlash Cometh]

34. Putz. Someone that makes the big bucks needs to be less gullible

than a freeper.

[Ksec]

35. I heard Andrea Mitchell mention this on his show yesterday

She was practically walked over. Tweety said the problem was weak editors and then ran from the mention.

[Demobrat]

36. Uh huh. Like prostitutes are used for sex.

They spread the lies they were told to spread for the same reason Kerry, Gephardt, Clinton and the rest of the so called opposition voted for the war. Cowardice, pure and simple. Asking questions would have taken courage, a commodity in short supply these days.

[xultar]

37. WTF is going on?

[Mayberry Machiavelli]

38. Everybody on this thread.. I think it's GOOD that this is being covered

now, even if Matthews was a shrub shill too.

The fact is, if the message is that "the media was used", well, obviously the ones using them were shrubco. This helps lead the many remaining thick, ignorant Americans to the conclusion that the case for war was phony, which is obvious to most, but there are still substantial holdouts on this.

[McKenzie]

39. If he was Scottish he would whine...

"It wisnae me!"

To which us Scots would reply: "Shut yir gab ye weel riggit nyaff!"

[CrazyForKucinich]

40. Media's job is to check the government...Matthews nor other did this

Why I don't watch the news anymore...they don't do their job.

[TallahasseeGrannie]

41. As a person who at one time supported the war

I believe Matthews is looking for atonement and a way to say "It's not our fault! We were lied to!"

He needs this for his Catholic conscience and those 2000 young Americans.

Believe me... I know about atonement.

I say let him in bed. Better in with us than against us.

[jaysunb]

54. Actually, he didn't support the war...

at first, and said so. But as soon as the bombs flew, he was a head cheerleader.

Don't get me wrong...I hate the slimy bastard, and it's hard for me to sit here and listen to him outright lie saying," 2 years ago, none of us knew if some one had leaked the name." HE WAS ONE OF THE ORIGINAL 6 THAT ROVE LEAKED TO and TOLD HIM SHE WAS "FAIR GAME ! " but, he was oringinally at least publically skeptical....about the war.

[July]

42. Not only were they used,

they LET themselves be used.

With a smile on their faces as they bent over.

[cassiepriam]

43. And Bush is going to say THE PRESS MADE ME GO TO WAR.

THE PRESS DRUMBEAT MADE ME DO IT.

Like kids all pointing fingers at each other.

[spanone]

44. The Press was BOUGHT to sell the war in Iraq.

[Hardrada]

46. They have to give back their 30 pieces of silver!

[wellst0nev0ter]

47. And Tucker Carlson Was On Blaming Democrats

For not opposing the war enough in the beginning, even though he and his kind were trashing and suppressing those who oppose the war as whackjobs during that time.

[FreedomAngel82]

48. Oh good grief

That doesn't give you a damn excuse Matthews to tell freakin lies and have thousands killed! Blood is still on his hands too!

[Doctor_J]

56. Bullshit - they wanted the ratings boost

they were partners with Rove.

[ikojo]

58. They ALLOWED themselves to be used...

I voraciously read foreign papers during the lead up to the Iraq war and knew there were no WMDs and that Bush was lying. Anyone with a questioning brain knew there was no connection between Al Queda and the more secular Saddam Hussein.

Why didn't the Dem reps and senators know these things if I, a schlub, knew them?

The press was still drinking from the 9/11 Kool Aid that said the country was united (it was not) and that it needed healing so it was good to stand behind the commander in chief.

[lanlady]

59. say Tweety Bird

Tell us somethin' we don't know.

[Disturbed]

62. Corp Media and their pundit whores are now..

making the attempt to excuse their complicity with the Neo Fascists because they want to bail from the sinking ship of fools.

[nolabels]

66. In a nutshell

Their are contemptuous and with credibility below whale excrement x(

[Kralizec]

64. They weren't used they were COMPLIANT! (eom)

[rman]

65. How's that possible? Because

the media are owned by people who have an interest in the Bush-gang obtaining its goals, one of which is for large corporations to make more profit, which is good for the owners of those corporations (same ones who own the media).

So if the media "were used" it's because they wanted to be used.

[Loonman]

67. You were used as well, Chrissy

You fucking worm.

[newportdadde]

68. WRONG - War is good TV, that is why they pumped it so hard.

For their ratings, not integrity and not because they were lied too.

[symbolman]

69. What is the Media going to say next?

That they were KIDDING?

GODDAMN Corporate Warmongers, half of their companies are making WAR MACHINES (NBC/GE) and the other half are PUSHING FOR WAR.

The MEDIA needs to be dragged in handcuffs and shackles to the Hague alone with the rest of the White House Frog Marching Brigade.

MURDERERS. Every last One of THEM.

[pearl]

70. Tweety Bird Matthews

Chirp, Chirp; With blood dripping from his filthy hands.


"History will hunt them down and condemn them for their cravenness"



Fuck You Tweety, Welcome to history.

[ProfessorGAC]

71. To Quote John Lovitz In "A League Of Their Own"

"Well look who just caught up!" How can anybody be this stupid?
The Professor