Cheney, Libby & Miller - all in Jackson Hole, August 2003

[dave29]

http://www.jhzone.com/viewinfo.cfm?ObjectID=2A504341-A71F-4432-88F23D980E7AD19A (this is the current page... to see the original do a google search for "cheney" "august 2003" "jackson hole")

The incident marks the second time in two years Blackhawks have created a stir in Jackson Hole. Helicopters transporting Cheney around the region on vacation in August 2003 landed on the Puzzleface Ranch in an area protected by a conservation easement, drawing criticism from some residents. The area is home to to nesting osprey and other waterfowl, including trumpeter swans.

http://darrelplant.dailykos.com/storyonly/2005/10/16/1490/0499

In answer, I told the grand jury about my last encounter with Mr. Libby. It came in August 2003, shortly after I attended a conference on national security issues held in Aspen, Colo. After the conference, I traveled to Jackson Hole, Wyo. At a rodeo one afternoon, a man in jeans, a cowboy hat and sunglasses approached me. He asked me how the Aspen conference had gone. I had no idea who he was.
"Judy," he said. "It's Scooter Libby." "

Amazing coinkidink

[dave29]

1. kick

n/t

[NVMojo]

2. and Rumsfeld & family were in Big Sky, MT in November.

What is it about these states that they like so much, especially when they don't ski?

[lumpy]

33. Scooter Libby

is a hot shot skier.

[lumpy]

34. Scooter Libby

is a hot shot skier.

[wtmusic]

3. Shhhh...the aspens are turning...

they're connected at the roots...the crow flies at sunrise

[dave29]

4. the turdblossoms are blooming

as well

[wtmusic]

6. Turdblossom is dropping turds

in his pants right about now

[electropop]

5. The doubloon is in the fountain.

The rooster has flown the coop. Momma Bear, calling Poppa bear, can you read me? over.

[CoffeeCat]

16. LOL! Thanks for that! Still laughing... (nt)

[KoKo]

7. That quote has been haunting my mind since it was first reported.

It's very frightening on many levels. I wonder if we really know the exact meaning or warning. So much has been speculated about the meaning and yet the letter was released publicly. Is it a warning or hint to a broader audience, meaning the rest of America. If so what does it mean?

[wtmusic]

10. Me too

"Out West, where you vacation, the aspens will already be turning. They turn in clusters, because their roots connect them."

The most obvious is: you're with us, you're part of us. You know what the story should be.

Consistent with Libby's lawyer demanding to know how she would testify.

[MADem]

40. The latest speculation on the ASPENS thing

...is that, since Judy was living with/screwing Les Aspin back when he was Clinton's much-assailed SECDEF, and he died suddenly of a stroke (he had heart disease, mind you) that the secret line meant "You'll end up like Les."

I would think Les would be turning, alright--in his GRAVE at the bullshit that has gone on in this nation since the election was stolen.

But the most amusing thing I have read about the aspens controversy had nothing to do with them:

Aspens are very beautiful this time of year - Do not know if it is code.

However, did you hear of the coded letter Shrub received from Osama? It reads"

370HSSV-0773H

Shrub had Condi read it - She couldn't figure it out, neither could the FBI nor the CIA.
However, MI-6 has looked at it and said it was upside down.

http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2005_10/007242.php#716479

[wtmusic]

43. interesting

good find! :thumbsup:

[hang a left]

8. recommended

Nice catch

[demobabe]

9. Out west where she vacations...

That line must have meant Cheney... or is referring to something said or some plan made at a meeting between those three.

[bleever]

11. Thanks, that answers my first question after reading Judy's account

of her last day of testimony.

And the wind cried, "Cheney".

[Botany]

12. the yellow dog has barked.

This goes right to cheney. Judy said that she heard about Plame from
somebody else but forgot who .......

wanna bet that it was Cheney?

[ChairmanAgnostic]

13. & the obese soprano has just performed.

I love that tune, the barking dog in a duet.

[Botany]

15. and from the wings came a trio of "french horns"

floating notes in the air like a golden Aspen leaf on mountain stream.

and the soprano sang la Dolce Cheney from Mozart's eine kliene sheist
music.

It was Dickie ..... It was dickie ..... It was Dickie.

:rofl:

[ChairmanAgnostic]

29. eine kliene scheist music?

for whom the bells troll,

as the winter clouds micturate upon the Colorado mountains, as they cry out in song, "It was Dickie."


:rofl:

[glitch]

31. LOL! nt

[bunny planet]

14. Kickedy kick kick

KICK!!!!
:kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick:
Oh and nominated of course

[Laura PourMeADrink]

17. DAVE - This is hot. You need to send this in a telegram to Fitz

I saw his address somewhere. I think it's only $14.95. Hmmm, wonder if they have aspen trees in Jackson Hole. Could be, Back West, where you vacation --- MONTANA, the aspens are turning. Meaning the Cheneys are turning on Bush.

[Marie26]

18. Aspen, CO & Jackson Hole, WY are 600 miles apart!

She's implying that she was in Aspen for a conference & just decided to swing by Jackson Hole, WY to catch a rodeo. According to Mapquest, it's an ELEVEN HOUR drive from Aspen to Jackson Hole. Must have been a heck of a rodeo. Jackson Hole is the hometown of the Cheney's, who were undoubtably vacationing there w/Libby. This probably occured about August 13. Dick Cheney was the headliner for a big Republican fundraiser in Jackson Hole, WY on that date.
http://www.whitehouseforsale.org/dashforcash/page.cfm?pageid=49#jack08132003.

Why was Miller so eager to attend a Republican fundraiser that she traveled 11 hours to do it? According to her own testimony, (if you believe her) she didn't expect to meet Libby. So who was she meeting? Cheney? Finally, the conference she was attending was with the "Aspen Strategy Group" to discuss a grand strategy for the Middle East. If Libby wasn't there, how would he know that she was there? Why would that conference be the first thing he asked her about? All these hurried meetings occured shortly before the CIA requested a Justice Dept. investigation of the leak in Sept. Is this what they were trying to forestall? Or was Miller reporting back some of the topics discussed at the conference to Cheney? Who knows - but you don't travel that far w/o a pretty good reason.

[Carni]

22. Wouldn't it be a hoot if there was NO RODEO in Jackson Hole then?

I am assuming there is probably ALWAYS a rodeo there and even if there wasn't when she claims to have seen libby how would one prove it?

[Emit]

24. Here's another source that notes the Cheney fundraiser in Wyo.

Wonder if the event was at the rodeo?

http://66.102.7.104/search?q=cache:GlGvxTMEuaIJ:www.abcnews.go.com/sections/politics/TheNote/TheNote_Aug13.html+Vice+President+Dick+Cheney+fundraiser+Jackson+Hole+Wyoming+2003&hl=en

W A S H I N G T O N August 13—
Today's Schedule (all times Eastern):
~snip~
7:30 pm: Vice President Cheney attends Bush-Cheney fundraiser, Jackson Hole, Wyo. (closed press)

[Pachamama]

27. Wanna know a weird coincidence? I was in Jackson Hole at that time! My

husband's best friend got married, we went there for the wedding and then a week of vacation with the kids....We were at a "dude ranch" outside of Jackson Hole right near this fundraiser at the time and we saw these Blackhawks flying...I remember thinking it was creepy and we knew that Cheney's "place" was nearby too....I didn't know he was in town and my husband and I were thinking that it is creepy that Darth Vader had to be in town traveling around in the Blackhawks....Anybody who knows how laid back it is in Jackson Hole and the surrounding areas, would know what I'm talking about....Dressing up there is wearing something other than blue jeans....most people travel in pick up trucks...not Blackhawks...

And to think ole' Judith was there too....wow.....I feel like I was right near the bad guys conspiring on their evil plans.....

[KCS72000]

28. Rodeo dates in Aug. 2003

<Snip>

Jackson Hole's world-famous rodeo shows twice weekly on Wednesdays and Saturdays at 8
p.m. Jackson Hole's least expensive family entertainment.

<Snip>

There would have been Rodeos on these dates in 2003;

Aug. 9, 2003
Aug.13, 2003
Aug.16, 2003


http://www.jacksonholenet.com/summer_recreation/rodeo.php

http://www.jhrodeo.com/

[Marie26]

32. Interesting

It looks like the rodeo story is backed up & it fits into the time they were all there. But why would Libby be wearing sunglasses at 8 p.m.? To fend off his flock of female fans? Scooter Libby - so poetic, so mysterious. *swoon*

[Emit]

26. The Aspen Conference dates were

July 31-August 2, 2003

http://www.ciaonet.org/wps/alm02/

Crossing the Atlantic
A Report from the Aspen Atlantic Group 2003 Workshops

Madeleine K. Albright and Kurt M. Campbell, Editors

April 2004

The Aspen Institute


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Abstract

In two workshops, June 6–8 and July 31–August 2, 2003, the Aspen Atlantic Group and its guests examined avenues for renewed transatlantic cooperation in light of contemporary and cumulative challenges to the relationship. Having conducted a frank and in–depth diagnosis of core differences and commonalities in the first workshop, the second workshop extended its scope to include sessions on specific areas of collaboration such as homeland security and humanitarian intervention.

The workshops’ participants discussed their recommendations for steps necessary to reenergize and, in some cases, reengineer the transatlantic relationship. In an atmosphere of nonpartisan dialogue, they drew on their extensive experience in government to examine policy tools, institutional architecture, common paths, and areas of enduring difference. The conversation benefited from a provoking and insightful set of papers and presentations, many of which are published in the subsequent sections of this report.

Full Text (PDF, 78 pages, 665.0 KB)

Miller was in attendance, as shown in this report called Crossing the Atlantic: A Report from the Aspen Atlantic Group, 2003 Workshops, Edited by Madeleine Albright and Kurt Campbell:

PDF Report:
http://www.ciaonet.org/wps/alm02/alm02.pdf

14 CROSSING THE ATLANTIC
WORKSHOP II
ASPEN, COLORADO
JULY 31–AUGUST 2, 2003
ASPEN ATLANTIC GROUP MEMBERS
Madeleine K. Albright – United States, Principal, The Albright Group
Lloyd Axworthy – Canada, Director and CEO, Liu Institute for Global Issues, University of
British Columbia
Ismail Cem – Turkey, President, New Turkey Party
Robin Cook - United Kingdom,Member, British Parliament
Erik Derycke – Belgium, Judge, Constitutional Court of Belgium
Lamberto Dini – Italy, Vice President and Senator, Italian Senate
Bronislaw Geremek – Poland, Chair of European Civilization, College of Europe
Nadezhda Mihaylova – Bulgaria, Vice President of the European People’s Party, Chair of the
Union of Democratic Forces
Jozias van Aartsen – The Netherlands, Member of the Dutch Parliament, Leader of the Liberal
Party VVD
KEYNOTE SPEAKER
General Klaus D. Naumann, Former Chairman of the North Atlantic Military Committee,
North Atlantic Treaty Organization
PARTICIPANTS
Frederick Barton, Senior Advisor, International Security Program, Center for Strategic and
International Studies
Jacques Beltran, Senior Manager in Political Affairs and International Marketing, European
Aeronautic Defence and Space Company
Stephen Biegun, Assistant to the Majority Leader for National Security Affairs, Office of the
Majority Leader
Lael S. Brainard, New Century Chair, The Brookings Institution
Kurt M. Campbell, Senior Vice President and Director of the International Security Program,
Center for Strategic and International Studies, and Director, Aspen Strategy Group
Eliot A. Cohen, Professor, Johns Hopkins University/SAIS
Richard N. Cooper, Professor, International Economics, Center for International Affairs,
Harvard University
Bathsheba Crocker, International Affairs Fellow, Council on Foreign Affairs
Kenneth W. Dam, Max Pam Professor of American & Foreign Law, University of Chicago Law
School
Troy Eid, Executive Director of the Colorado Department of Personnel and Administration,
Office of the Governor of Colorado
Steven Everts, Senior Research Fellow, Centre for European Reform
Dennis Fitzgibbons, Director of Public Policy, DaimlerChrysler
Walter Isaacson, President and CEO, The Aspen Institute
David Lipton, Managing Director, Moore Capital Strategy Group
Judith Miller, Senior Writer, The New York Times
Joseph S.Nye, Jr., Dean and Professor of Public Policy, John F. Kennedy School of Government,
Harvard University, and Co-Chairman, Aspen Strategy Group
Thomas O’Gara, Chairman, Kroll-O’Gara Company
William J. Perry, Professor, School of Engineering and Institute for International Studies,
Stanford University
Thomas R. Pickering, Senior Vice President for International Relations, The Boeing Company
Susan E. Rice, Senior Fellow, The Brookings Institution
Wendy Sherman, Principal, The Albright Group
Elizabeth Sherwood-Randall, Senior Research Scholar, Center for International Security &
Cooperation, Stanford-Harvard Preventive Defense Project
Julianne Smith, Fellow and Deputy Director, International Security Program, Center for
Strategic and International Studies
James B. Steinberg, Vice President and Director of Foreign Policy Studies, The Brookings
Institution
John Thornton, Senior Advisor and Director, Goldman Sachs Foundation

(These links might require an account. They work for me without one, but when I posted them here and checked them before posting this message, they are requiring a password, etc.)

[Marie26]

30. There were two meetings

Aspen Atlantic Group looks like a subpart of the Aspen Strategy Group that focuses mostly on Europe. The Aspen Atlantic Group met from July 31 - Aug 2 with a conference on "Crossing the Atlantic." The next week, the Aspen Strategy Group met from Aug. 2 - Aug. 7 to hold a conference on a "Grand Strategy for the Middle East." http://www.ciaonet.org/wps/cak02/. Judith Miller apparantly attended both conferences & wrote a paper for the Aspen Strategy Group meeting called "Countering WMD proliferation after Iraq". The conference report can be downloaded at their website: http://www.aspeninstitute.org/site/c.huLWJeMRKpH/b.612047/k.1222/Aspen_Strategy_Group.htm. So, it looks like Judy was hanging around Aspen, Co. from July 31 - Aug. 7, then traveled to the fundraiser in Jackson Hole on Aug 13. In what is probably a coincidence, Bush gave another fundraiser in Denver, CO. on August 12. What I'm wondering is if she traveled up to Cheney's ranch together with other Aspen conference participants. After all, Aspens turn in clusters ...

[bloom]

36. thanks for that... eom

[Emit]

37. Yes, thanks for that. n/t

[smoogatz]

19. I think the line in the Libby letter about coming back to life

may also be significant. Remember when Miller said "the Government's too powerful--you don't know," or words to that effect? I think they threatened her. I think she was a hell of a lot more scared of Cheney and Libby than of Fitz, her bosses at the Times, or anyone else.

[Alizaryn]

20. This has a good accounting of the helicopter times

http://www.casperstartribune.net/articles/2003/08/07/news/wyoming/f5cdb6ba6ee5ed8661befc5a1519fe28.txt

[Carni]

21. One of Enron's shell corps was called "Osprey"

Means nothing of course--but Ospreys seem to follow *the Dick*

There was also something else about an Osprey relating to a military helicopter (I think?)that Cheney was pushing

I recall wondering if the Enron shell company was somehow related to Cheney when the Enron dirt was being combed over years ago.

Didn't Cheney also get caught shooting an Osprey out of season or something?

[stop the bleeding]

23. Good find, kicking and nominating! N/T

[AndyTiedye]

25. Actually, Judy Tried to Testify Against Cheney...

...but she started gagging and choking each time she tried to mention his name.


I find your lack of loyalty disturbing

[Neil Lisst]

35. Are you sure it wasn't Glory Hole, Wyoming where they met?

The whole thing screams of cover story.

In unrelated news, Bush doesn't know Hu the president of China is.
http://www.webcomicsnation.com/neillisst/

[Gloria]

38. KICK

[Marie26]

39. 1, 2, 3, kick!

:kick:

[progressivebydesign]

41. Okay. I think things just got more interesting. Aspens indeed!

Do you think that it's at all possible that the battle between Cheney and the CIA is more than just a pissing match? Do you think that there is some sort of counter-CIA operation that Cheney is spear-heading? You know where he and his operatives (i.e. libby, miller, rove) are trying to out CIA the CIA?

I mean.. the WIERD letter about the Apens NOW makes total sense. Something is darker and scarier and deeper than I think we've imagined.

I've been on DU since nearly the beginning, years ago. People know I am not a tinfoil type. I'm just connecting some hypothetical dots.

[Marie26]

42. Weirder & weirder

Don't forget what came right before Libby's mention of "aspens turning":

Letter - "You will have stories to write; Iraqi elections & suicide bombers, biological threats and the Iranian nuclear program."
Conference - The topic of the Aspen conference was a "Grand Strategy for the Middle East." Judith Miller presented specifically on...biological threats & nuclear weapons - then raced straight to Cheney's ranch.

The first thing Libby asked about was the conference. Why? The letter shows that Libby & Miller both made a connection between the Aspen conference & future stories. Why? Were they planning those future stories?