Bob Schieffer: "Is It The Beginning Of The End?" (CIA Leak - Watergate)

[sabra]

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/10/17/opinion/schieffer/main949015.shtml

Is It The Beginning Of The End?
(CBS) Weekly commentary by CBS Evening News anchor and Face the Nation host Bob Schieffer.




Even as Watergate was at the boiling point, the Nixon White House maintained it was never a distraction to the president and his people. "The press may be consumed by it," they always said, "but we have more important things to do: running the government."

Once the famous tapes came out, of course, we all knew otherwise. Nixon and his people had been thinking of little but Watergate and how to cover their tracks.

Which is why White House press secretary Scott McClellan's words about the current investigation into who blew the cover of that secret agent for the CIA had such a familiar ring. "The White House doesn't have time to let these things distract us from the important work at hand," he said.

Oh, sure. A special prosecutor is bearing down, the president's top people are being called before a federal grand jury on a regular basis — four times so far for Karl Rove — the investigation has revealed a vicious secret war between the White House and the CIA over who should take the blame for the wrong intelligence that took us to war, and it's just another day in the office?

Maybe preoccupation with all of this is why nothing seems to be going right at the White House anymore. As for this investigation, it looks like it's coming to a conclusion, but watching the White House reaction makes me wonder: Is this story just beginning?

[acmavm]

1. Can you imagine how this has to be driving bush** crazy, the comparison

to the Nixon administration?

It cracks me up.

[Teaser]

2. Almost makes it worth losing the election

Almost.

[sabra]

4. one prob...

he's getting his SC nominees, where the slots weren't open in term 1.

[stop the bleeding]

13. Yeah the only consolation is that this amin. still has a few years to

run out the clock and during that time all of their dirty laundry will have to air out and be cleaned. I would have still rather have had my counted instead of having this duffis picking out SC nominess.

[Fly by night]

25. Maybe IF we had lost it Having it stolen will never be acceptable.

[Teaser]

46. Well I'm not one who buys

the stolen vote theory this time. Last time, yeah, but I have yet to be convinced this time.

[petgoat]

47. Not Buying the Stolen Vote Theory

Well, ask yourself:

Why would they install inherently untrustworthy machines unless they
intended to use them?

Why would they cover over an honest election in Ohio with a crooked,
illegal recount?

[Fly by night]

62. Dupe -- posted in wrong place

[Fly by night]

63. Rip van Winkle -- this is your wake-up call.

These days, particularly at DU, it's "hard work" not to be exposed to the overwhelming evidence of election fraud/theft in 2004 (and before). Mosey over to the "Election Reform" forum if you haven't before and spend as much time as you have available reviewing the evidence there. There's a year's worth of threads available on this topic.

Or you might visit your library and read Christopher Hitchen's Vanity Fair piece, "What went wrong in Ohio?" or Mark Crispin Miller's Harper's piece, "None Dare Call It Stolen" or the Washington Spectator's "Voting: It Still Doesn't Work the Way it Should" or even this month's cover story about the 2004 stolen election in Mother Jones. Or any of the dozens (if not hundreds) of other well-researched articles on the Rethugs having the motive, means and opportunity to steal our elections.

It's late 2005 -- do you know who your voting machine voted for?

[Nightjock]

27. A stack of evidence

shows Kerry did not lose the election.

But I almost agree. If bush goes down it's almost worth it.

[electropop]

35. When the whole Puke establishment goes down in flames...

thanks to the treason case and the Abramoff case, they will find themselves in the wilderness for 40 years again. Maybe it will teach them a lesson this time.

And yeah, to really get rid of them for a very long time, it may be worth the theft of 3 elections. Hard to say, because so much of the damage will take a good 40 years to repair.

[Le Taz Hot]

55. Correction

They were only "in the wilderness" for 6 years after Nixon. The 40 years was after Roosevelt.

[SammyWinstonJack]

56. Nothing is worth that imo. nt

[journalist3072]

57. The EXACT same thing my co-worker said the other day

He said it's almost worth it to have Bush back in there, just to see all the crooks get their just due!!

[Javaman]

9. We need to keep up the comparison between nixon and moron*...

More side by side photos, etc.

[ewagner]

15. He doesn't know...

he doesn't read newspapers, watch tv, or (God forbid) read blogs and there isn't a single member of his staff who has the cajones to tell him that he's being compared to Nixon.

He is oblivious to criticism.

He is living in a bubble.

He is clueless.

[acmavm]

18. Please, a glory hound like that guy would never pass up anything with

his name or (especially) picture in it. Why do you think he looks like death on a soda cracker? He knows what's being said, what people think, and that the whole world has seen through the facade.

[mike_c]

3. oh my-- seeing those two photos juxtaposed is almost as good...

...as seeing these would be:



He. Is. Toast.

[Debau2005]

I don't understand

this man! * I mean...When did it become ok to flip people off? As the "moral, Christian" President, shouldn't he be above this behavior? I am, according to the high and mighty conservatives, a morally bankrupt, liberal, tree hugging, democrat! I don't go around flipping people off! This administration still contines to shock and amaze me with their childish antics...*sigh* Is it 2008 yet?

[Ladyhawk]

20. I've never been sure that particular picture is real.

I know of others that are, though.

[spooky3]

48. Poor Barney has to avert his eyes: "I can't believe I'm with this a..."

[SammyWinstonJack]

58. Well, since he is neither moral nor Christian, I guess he thinks it's

A Okay to flip people off, especially since he thinks he is above most people.

[rbajai]

31. That picture...

Where did you get that, and what is the context? Who was he flippin' off? I have seen a video where * does this but never this pic. Wow...guess his "moral" behavior happens more frequently than we thought.

[mike_c]

50. just did a google search on "bush"....

I don't know the context, whether the pic is real, or what. I just wanted a pic of the village idiot that was approximately the same size as the Hitler pic.

[electropop]

5. Bush will be gone by August 2006.

My bet, anyway. The Pukes can no longer afford the damage he is doing to their chances in '06 and will have to flush him well before the election.

[Pastiche423]

29. Back in early 1999

when I 1st heard whistle ass was going to run, I turned to a friend and said, mark my words, he's going to go out just like Nixon - if by some miracle he gets elected.

What a delicious irony it would be, if whistle ass resigned or was impeached on August 8, 2005.


:evilgrin:

[tex-wyo-dem]

6. Wow! When even Schieffer comes out and makes such comparisons...

you know something VERY BIG is up.

This should be a very, very interesting next couple of weeks and beyond.

[Beetwasher]

7. We Can Only Hope

This is encouraging that Scheiffer is writing this though.

[Burma Jones]

8. The Funny Thing is......

The Reagan Administration had more Indictments and Convictions than Nixon's. Who knows what the Chimp's Gang will bring us?

[Pathwalker]

10. Did you see him grin yesterday after he said this

at the end of the show? I swear - he was grinning from ear to ear, and his eyes lit up like a kid who got what he wanted for Christmas.
This was his commentary at the end of his show yesterday, and you could tell he was very, very excited. :bounce:

[stevietheman]

22. This seems to be more evidence that what's to come is going to be...

a lot bigger than the public (including DUers) expects, and the media is going to have a 9/11-level story to report for weeks, if not months. They smell the profits.

Note: November sweeps are coming up shortly! Perfect timing, Fitz! :)

[hvn_nbr_2]

24. Thanks for that info.

I can't stand to turn on TV news any more (except occasionally KO), so I only know stuff like that when someone mentions it here. It sounds pretty telling to me. It may be that everyone in D.C. and the press knows stuff now just as they all apparently knew that the whole rationale for invading Iraq was a pack of lies.

[niceypoo]

11. I recommend this thread

[napi21]

12. I heard Bob say that yesterday AM.

`All I could think of at the time was "This is the LAST of the real reporters."

I sure don't hear those kind of remarks from any of the younger ones!

He's right too! I remember hearing Nixon's WH guys saying the same words!

[converted_democrat]

14. Kicked and recommended.. Schieffer is awesome.......n/t

[WiseButAngrySara]

40. Schieffer is "awesome" only occasionally...I remember too well his role

in the presidential debates. IMHO, he is as guilty as Miller is, for his role in electing this trash heap, and Miller's for getting us into an illegal and criminal war.

GIVE ME DAN RATHER ANY DAY!

[converted_democrat]

61. No, he isn't as guilty as Miller.......

Miller had special access to info that very few others did. People made the mistake of believing her, but they are not as guilty as she is. She had access to everything and lied. He didn't have the access, he isn't as guilty. I'm not saying he's perfect, but he isn't carrying the water now, and she still is.

[Theduckno2]

16. The vanishing speck George Bush sees in his rearview mirror:

His last chance at a positive legacy. The Republican myth machine did wonders for Reagan, but no amount of spin can fix the damage that * has done. It is comforting to see the MSM coming back to life, I just wish it would have been before the 2004 elections. :popcorn:

[DoYouEverWonder]

34. It is become clearer

the reasons why the DEMS had to lose in 2004. It is the only we would be able to go through the purging of the Repug party that we are about to experience.

[gratuitous]

17. If it is the end, Bob

Somehow I have a feeling that it will sneak right by you and your presstitute colleagues, who have been so supportive of the corrupt Bush administration and its shenanigans up until now. You and your media cohort have ignored a whole host of murderous and picayune lies, made excuses for outright criminal behavior over and over again, watched mutely as surpluses have turned to deficits, the Treasury has been emptied into the pockets of the overrich (including yourselves), and thousands of people have been wrongly imprisoned, tortured, maimed, and killed by this outlaw regime.

The fact that we have been at war for over two years based on wrong intelligence has so far escaped media scrutiny, and credulous reporting has supported the administration line time and again, even when the contrary facts were staring you in the face.

Is this story just beginning? Fer crissakes, man, it's been going on for years right before your eyes!

[WiseButAngrySara]

41. Your post is true. Gratuitously Yours. ............n/t

[methinks2]

19. thanks for the link

I missed the show on Sunday. Love the man!

[burythehatchet]

21. Mad props to Governor George W. Bush

The man who single-handedly combined Vietnam and Watergate into one single presidency.

[Karmadillo]

23. If the pet rats are abandoning the ship, things must be really bad.

nt

[nadinbrzezinski]

26. Fire the popcorn machine

consittutional crisis coming down the pike

[Justice Is Comin]

28. Know who's giving YOU the finger now Bush?

DAN RATHER!! :rofl:

[rateyes]

43. And how I miss...

Sam Donaldson. Told it like it was. He'd have * shaking in his boots.

[smoogatz]

30. Blood in the water.

Nothing the press likes more than the righteous indignation that comes with a good political scandal--especially when there's so much irony involved. Restoring honor and dignity to the White House and all that. They're all licking their chops, champing at the bit, and all the other animal metaphors for "gettin' ready to rumble."

[H2O Man]

32. Interesting.

When Bob talks that way, you know something is up.

[mondo joe]

33. Even better" On Friday NBC compared * to Catrer in terms of

inflation - "Not since the days of President Jimmy Carter has inflation......."

[tabasco]

36. "It's just a partisan witch hunt."

That's what I keep hearing republicans say.

Of course, they also say that Ken Starr's obscene, perverted investigation of a blowjob was justified.

A blowjob more important than traitorous acts by high officers of our government. That's how brainwashed these twits have become from listening to non-stop Limbaugh.

[GreenPartyVoter]

39. When they say that I shoot back with "like Ken Starr's hootenanny" That

always makes them mad. *lol*

[EVDebs]

37. Spider's Web: The Secret History of How the WH Secretly Armed Iraq

http://www.namebase.org/sources/UL.html

This is the story that Bill Clinton promised to investigate if he got elected, but now (January 1994) it appears that his handlers have other plans. It's about how the White House, with assistance from allies in London and Rome, violated the law in order to support Saddam Hussein. Then, following the invasion of Kuwait, George Bush compared him to Hitler, set up the American response, and he and Margaret Thatcher began covering up their past dealings. The story involves the Banca Nazionale del Lavoro (BNL), the Department of Agriculture's Commodity Credit Corporation, Iraq's nuclear procurement program, and the CIA and Carlos Cardoen (a Chilean arms dealer). Given this ten-year history, it was not unreasonable for Saddam Hussein to assume that U.S. ambassador April Glaspie was giving him the green light to invade Kuwait. And maybe she was; perhaps Bush thought he needed a quick-fix war to try out the Pentagon's new toys and crank up his popularity.
Alan Friedman is an American citizen who began covering Iraqgate while serving as the Milan correspondent for the Financial Times of London. His book includes 74 pages of reproduced bank and government documents, as well as extensive end notes.
ISBN 0-553-09650-8

This explains why Bill is so hesitant to criticize GHWB. The JFK incident explains why Harriet was nominated for SCOTUS, in order to keep anything tying the BFEE from ever coming out until after 2035 when everyone will have passed on by.

You can't very well have a war based upon WMDs and precursors that DADDY's administration provided to Saddam, now, can you, and let the whole world in on 'our little secret'.

[WiseButAngrySara]

42. Please start this as a separate thread! It deserves its own post and

space for comments. Please, please, pretty please?

Thanks.

[EVDebs]

44. Your wish is my command, wisebutangrysara.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x5084637

[No Exit]

49. Yes, this merits its own thread, and pls include pic of Rumsfeld

heartily shaking Saddam Hussein's hand.

[EVDebs]

53. Here's that picture at National Security Archive

http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB82/

The site has an excellent listing of the history and documents of how the White House illegally armed Iraq. No wonder they didn't find WMDs, they may have had 'made in USA' on them !

[tlsmith1963]

38. I Love How it's Driving Them Nuts!

It's about time that *they* suffered, considering how much they have made the American people suffer. I'm not turning cartwheels yet, since Bush & the others are pretty scary, but it's nice to know that they are the ones going through Hell now. It's a start.

Tammy

[Rex]

45. Nixon was a zillion times smarter than Boosh!

Both are crooks and liars.

[Neil Lisst]

51. It's like one of the fires that builds up inside a building, then ...

BOOM! It explodes everywhere into fire.

That is going to happen. When these indictments come down, BOOM!


today is a new ...
http://www.webcomicsnation.com/neillisst

[EVDebs]

54. You allude to Farenheit 451 degrees , the temperature at which

paper burns.

52. I think there is a difference between Bush

and Nixon. Maybe the comparison would fit more between Cheney and Nixon.

Nixon was a control freak, whereas Bush just likes to sort of be in charge, but let a lot of other people actually come up with ideas and plans.

[montana500]

59. ahaha that photo is simply awesome.

nm

[Postman]

60. It's the unraveling of the justification for war in Iraq. THE LIES.

and they all should go to jail.