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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-16-05 06:00 PM
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The Heart of the Matter
In a New York Times article published on Sunday, columnist Frank Rich buried the dart right in the center-black. “What matters most in this case,” wrote Rich, “is not whether Mr. Rove and Lewis Libby engaged in a petty conspiracy to seek revenge on a whistle-blower, Joseph Wilson, by unmasking his wife, Valerie, a covert C.I.A. officer. What makes Patrick Fitzgerald's investigation compelling, whatever its outcome, is its illumination of a conspiracy that was not at all petty: the one that took us on false premises into a reckless and wasteful war in Iraq. That conspiracy was instigated by Mr. Rove's boss, George W. Bush, and Mr. Libby's boss, Dick Cheney.”

That last sentence strikes sparks, for it takes us beyond the minutiae of a case surrounding two senior White House aides. However important Rove and Libby may be to this administration, neither represents the end of the story. George W. Bush and Dick Cheney, with deliberation and intent, took this country to war in Iraq based on false premises, inflated intelligence and bald-faced scare tactics. They used September 11 against their own people to get what they wanted. That is the heart of this matter. If Fitzgerald’s investigation ends at Rove and Libby, it will have ended too soon.

Rich, in his article, details the existence of the White House Iraq Group, or WHIG. “Its inception in August 2002, seven months before the invasion of Iraq,” wrote Rich, “was never announced. Its eight members included Mr. Rove, Mr. Libby, Condoleezza Rice and the spinmeisters Karen Hughes and Mary Matalin. Its mission: to market a war in Iraq. Of course, the official Bush history would have us believe that in August 2002 no decision had yet been made on that war. Dates bracketing the formation of WHIG tell us otherwise. On July 23, 2002 - a week or two before WHIG first convened in earnest - a British official told his peers, as recorded in the now famous Downing Street memo, that the Bush administration was ensuring that ‘the intelligence and facts’ about Iraq's W.M.D.'s ‘were being fixed around the policy’ of going to war.”

WHIG, and its intention to sell an unnecessary war to a shell-shocked public, is only half the story. The other half of the manipulative sales team could be found in the neighborhood occupied by the Department of Defense. The Office of Special Plans, or OSP, was created by Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld specifically to second-guess and reinterpret intelligence data to justify war in Iraq. Think of it like baseball: the OSP pitched, and WHIG caught.

The OSP was on no government payroll and suffered no Congressional oversight. Their tainted information and interpretations overtopped the Iraq data being provided by the State Department and CIA. The OSP was able to accomplish this thanks to devoted patronage from high-ranking members of the administration, most prominently Vice-President Cheney.

The highest levels of the OSP were staffed by heavy-hitters like Undersecretary of Defense for Policy Douglas J. Feith, and William Luti, a former Navy officer who worked for Cheney before joining the Pentagon. When the OSP wanted to intimidate analysts into shaping conclusions to fit the already-made war decision, Cheney went to CIA headquarters on unprecedented visits. Once there, he demanded “forward-leaning” interpretations of the evidence. When Cheney was unable to go to the CIA, his chief of staff, Lewis “Scooter” Libby, went in his place.

That’s it, right there. Mr. Libby may be a target of Mr. Fitzgerald, but no one should forget the trips Cheney personally made to Langley in order to wring war-supporting evidence out of the analysts. He went himself. His fingerprints are all over the scene.

One name that has been lost in the shuffle of history is that of Air Force Lt. Col. Karen Kwiatkowski, who worked in the office of Under Secretary of Defence for Policy Douglas Feith until her retirement. Kwiatkowski charged two years ago that the operations she witnessed during her tenure in Feith's office, and particularly those of the OSP, constituted "a subversion of constitutional limits on executive power and a co-optation through deceit of a large segment of the Congress."

"What I saw was aberrant, pervasive and contrary to good order and discipline," Kwiatkowski wrote after her retirement. "If one is seeking the answers to why peculiar bits of 'intelligence' found sanctity in a presidential speech, or why the post-Saddam occupation has been distinguished by confusion and false steps, one need look no further than the process inside the Office of the Secretary of Defense."

According to Kwiatkowsky, the political appointees assigned there and their contacts at State, the NSC, and Cheney's office tended to work as a "network." Feith's office often deliberately cut out, ignored or circumvented normal channels of communication both within the Pentagon and with other agencies. "I personally witnessed several cases of staff officers being told not to contact their counterparts at State or the NSC because that particular decision would be processed through a different channel," wrote Kwiatkowsky.

That “different channel,” we now know, was almost certainly WHIG.

Ambassador Joseph Wilson’s public attack on Bush for using the now-rubbished Niger uranium evidence, his attack upon the entire rationale for invasion, was a direct and ominous threat to the latticework of disinformation and lies put forth by WHIG and OSP. They didn’t attack Wilson’s wife because they didn’t like her, or because they were bored. They did it because Wilson could have almost singlehandedly dismantled the administration’s case for war. They did it to warn any other insiders who might have wanted to talk that there would be serious consequences for public statements. The administration’s case for war was championed not by Rove and Libby, but by Bush and Cheney. It was their party, and Wilson was looking to stop the music.

Two questions remain: why would the administration take such a fantastic risk in attacking Wilson, and where are Bush’s fingerprints on this thing? Both questions can be answered by another tidbit that has fallen down the memory hole. On May 22nd, 2003, two months after the invasion of Iraq, George W. Bush signed an Executive Order titled “Protecting the Development Fund for Iraq and Certain Other Property in Which Iraq Has An Interest.”

The so-called ‘Development Fund for Iraq’ was, by the way, one of the most grandiose money-laundering schemes ever devised. All of the profits made from plundering Iraq’s oil were to go into this fund, ostensibly for use by the Iraqi people. In fact, this was the clearing-house for payouts to companies like Halliburton and its subsidiary, Kellog Brown & Root.

The May 22 Executive Order reads:

I, GEORGE W. BUSH, President of the United States of America, find that the threat of attachment or other judicial process against the Development Fund for Iraq, Iraqi petroleum and petroleum products, and interests therein, and proceeds, obligations, or any financial instruments of any nature whatsoever arising from or related to the sale or marketing thereof, and interests therein, obstructs the orderly reconstruction of Iraq, the restoration and maintenance of peace and security in the country, and the development of political, administrative, and economic institutions in Iraq. This situation constitutes an unusual and extraordinary threat to the national security and foreign policy of the United States and I hereby declare a national emergency to deal with that threat.

I hereby order: Unless licensed or otherwise authorized pursuant to this order, any attachment, judgment, decree, lien, execution, garnishment, or other judicial process is prohibited, and shall be deemed null and void.”


This Executive Order, declaring a national emergency, gave complete and total legal cover to Halliburton and every other petroleum and quasi-petroleum corporation currently operating in Iraq. No one can sue them, no one can touch them, no matter what they may do. By Executive Order, George W. Bush released Halliburton and the others from the need to display any kind of responsibility or legal behavior. Halliburton was removed from the sphere of civilization, and the laws that govern civilization, with the stroke of Mr. Bush’s pen.

George W. Bush declared a national emergency in this Executive Order for one reason: to lock down the oil, and to give total legal cover to Dick Cheney’s Halliburton, so they could do whatever they wanted to get their hands on it, and to get paid for it. Here we have Bush’s fingerprints, and here is the reason for not only attacking Wilson, but for chucking up a war that was not necessary.

The payout.

The Office of Special Plans to the White House Iraq Group, Cheney to Langley and Bush with his Executive Order, a war to get paid and cash money, honey, for Halliburton and friends. Rove and Libby are small fish. If and when they get fried, the stink may well fill the Oval Office. If George and Dick come out of this unscathed, Mr. Fitzgerald may as well have stayed in Chicago.
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Bernardo de La Paz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-16-05 06:16 PM
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1. Thanks for bringing us back to the focus. Nominated.
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Trajan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-16-05 06:17 PM
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2. I love you Will ....
Edited on Sun Oct-16-05 06:18 PM by Trajan
In a, you know, aesthetically appreciative kinda way ...

I've been wondering where you've been and whether all was ok with you, especially after the floods last week .... Good to see ya alive ....

A brilliant piece, Will ... Thanks ....
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knowbody0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-16-05 06:20 PM
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3. just one question
what is dick's middle name?
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Bernardo de La Paz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-16-05 07:24 PM
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16. Warbucks
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Arkham House Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-16-05 06:21 PM
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4. Excellent Summary
This indeed gets to the heart of the matter...and if Bush and Cheney *do* survive, then something has gone very wrong in our country--something that might be irrevocably wrong. The long downward slide we've been on since the Coup of December 12, 2000 will have succeeded--and the term "fascism" might actually become more than a generic swear word, and have reality in an American context. Certainly our corporate medie wouldn't lift a finger to prevent it...
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Frustratedlady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-16-05 06:46 PM
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11. You said....
"Certainly our corporate medie wouldn't lift a finger to prevent it..."

Then, the people must! When the "facts" surface (if they ever do) the people of America will turn on them both, no matter if they were ardent supportors, or not. We are all Americans first and we might bicker amongst ourselves, but when we can see we've been attacked -- and, you must call this elaborate plan of Bushco just that -- we join together as one.

His edicts can surely be removed once he is removed. It will take a long time to undo what he has done in his short time in office, but we can work miracles when we need to.

We must all show our support for Fitz and stand shoulder to shoulder with him once the indictments come down. What a courageous man! Now, more than ever, he needs people watching his back, and this administration needs to know we will take no more Bushco Bull.
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MuseRider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-16-05 06:25 PM
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5. I love the way
you put it all together.

Funny how all the awful, scary, disgusting things we have discussed for years are the things that this really comes down to. OSP and WHIG, back to the very beginning......Bush/Cheney.

Thanks for helping to lead everyone through this. It must be difficult for people who are just now looking to see all of this. You put it down well, Will.
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Metta Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-16-05 06:25 PM
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6. Sweet. Kick.
Thanks.
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countingbluecars Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-16-05 06:29 PM
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7. Great piece.
It helped me see the big picture.
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Neil Lisst Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-16-05 06:30 PM
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8. Frank Rich has been on target on the war.
He accurately described what took place. This was no petty partisan political prank.
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Tamarin Donating Member (337 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-16-05 06:34 PM
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9. Recommended - This is how it all happened.
Thank you for making a plain and coherent study for us. You have summarized it well for those of us having trouble keeping up with all the actors. I am reminded of a paper done by Senator Byrd where he laid out all the inconsistencies of the pre-war claims. With the DSM as backup, this all makes sense. Thanks again.
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Patsy Stone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-16-05 06:36 PM
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10. As always a great piece, Will.
Thanks for succinctly connecting all the dots. Recommended.

:thumbsup:
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dalloway Donating Member (744 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-16-05 06:49 PM
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12. What I especially appreciate about your analysis, Will, is that
you are bringing the OSP back into focus. Rich does it with the WHIG, giving what I believe is the first coverage of the WHIG in the NY Times. But you go a step further and show how the OSP and WHIG worked together. Anyone know if Kwiatkowsky appeared at all before the GJ? Any clues that Fitz may be going for the conspiracy not just to leak Plame's name but the conspiracy of the "shadow gov't" to skirt all constitutional oversight.

I'm thinking of what Bonifaz testified about at the DSM hearing--that if this administration can be shown having willfully misrepresented the intelligence and the rationale for war to Congress, then the letter Bush sent to Congress was a lie and is grounds for impeachment.

Great job, as always Will!
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texpatriot2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-16-05 07:00 PM
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13. Brilliant, logical...Will Pitt you're a genius. Wise as the serpent...
gentle as the lamb. I am thrilled after reading this piece. Thank you. You have such a way with words.
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texpatriot2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-16-05 07:16 PM
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15. Link to E order
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DemReadingDU Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-16-05 07:15 PM
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14. Excellent! Recommended
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-16-05 07:26 PM
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17. Libby and Cheney
reportedly went to CI HQ together a number of times.
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Disturbed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-16-05 07:38 PM
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18. Excellent!
OSP and WHIG members should all be indicted and Bush/Cheney should be Impeached. Will Fitzgerald have the courage to expose what you have, Will? We shall soon find out.
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-16-05 11:30 PM
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43. Yes
And Bolton was there too don't forget. I think that what could happen is Rove and Libby will turn each other in and anyone else involved with Libby and vice versa. They're all about protecting each other but for all we know they could be bringing the whole administration down.
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hang a left Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-16-05 07:38 PM
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19. I love the last line.
"If George and Dick come out of this unscathed, Mr. Fitzgerald may as well have stayed in Chicago."

By the way...do you think Fitz reads or has someone read DU. We have been his biggest fans.

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DemReadingDU Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-16-05 07:45 PM
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20. I would think that there should be people
reading the various Internet sites and blogs who report back to Fitzgerald with all this info.


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bpilgrim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-16-05 08:10 PM
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21. And they are willing to risk every american's life - men, women & children
as well as other countries citizens lives, to enrich themselves & their friends :puke:

it was very weird reading the times stories today and how they completely ignore this CRITICAL context - on 8 friggen pages, no less - of TREASON-GATE :argh:

thanks for pass'n the word :toast:

peace
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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-16-05 08:14 PM
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22. One thing missing....
I hate to mention it because this explanation neatly wraps up a lot of the trash.

Why did the effort need to extend to Brewster Jennings?

Thanks for the reminder of what the EO really did!

-Hoot
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-16-05 08:18 PM
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24. It may well have been unintentional
They were after Wilson, and used Plame to pimp a nepotism charge against him. They probably didn't realize they were taking down a whole outfit.
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GliderGuider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-16-05 08:30 PM
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25. There are a number of us who disagree.
Given that the greatest damage to the national interest was done by the outing of Brewster Jennings, it seems only logical to assume that they were the primary target, and Wilson - whatever his power to discomfit and unravel - was a smokescreen, a misdirection. It's a "Purloined Letter" play, where the real object of the search is hidden in plain sight by disguising it slightly.

I think it's more likely that OSP/WHIG tried an audacious two-fer, wrapping up the dangerous gadfly (Wilson) and the true threat (Brewster Jennings) with one move, making it look like revenge was the real motive when in fact the shut-down of Brewster Jennings was the real prize. They were the prize probably because they were getting close to uncovering something truly big: in my opinion either Cheney-mediated dealings with AQ Khan or the attempted planting of WMD to provide post facto justification of the war.

How else do you explain David Kelly?
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Catrina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-16-05 09:09 PM
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31. I agree
Edited on Sun Oct-16-05 09:15 PM by Catrina
Even after the furore against Novak for outing Valerie Plame, he (Novak) was even more brazen, and two weeks later, named Brewster Jennings in yet another article. Why do that, if all they wanted was Valerie Plame?

This was after the now infamous top secret memo was circulated on AF1.

Within the critical time period during which all this happened, the trip to Africa, the outing of Plame and then her cover business, was also the suspicious death of Dr. Kelly, who had been the BBC source that lies had been told about WMD.

Bolton's trips to the State Dept., the results of which the Democrats asked for at his confirmation hearing, but which Condoleeza Rice instructed the State Dept. not to release to the Committee, cause some to wonder was he looking for information on Valerie Plame, and/or on Brewster Jennings?

I think they all knew about Brewster Jennings by the time of the Novak article. The network had been operating since 1994.

Then there was Judith Miller's 'security clearance', signed by Donald Rumsfeld, allowing her to be embedded with the military unit assigned the task of 'finding' WMDs.

Here is an accounting of her behavior on that trip:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn?pagename=article&contentId=A28385-2003Jun24¬Found=true

From all I've read, I do not believe that they risked this much, simply to 'get' Joe Wilson for writing an article, even if it did expose them as liars. He could easily have been discredited simply by saying that he was having an affair, or some such smear, as they normally do.

To risk committing crimes like this, imo, would have to have been for something way more important than 'punishing' someone who was contradicting their 'evidence'.

Otherwise, I agree with the OP ~ that the real culprits in this crime are Bush and Cheney. From the questions Judith Miller claims Fitzgerald asked her, it seems he is very interested in Cheney's activities. So far, no one has leaked anything about his interest or disinterest, in Bush as far as I know ~

What I cannot figure out is if they would have outed Valerie Plame and Brewster Jennings, whether her husband had gone to Africa or not? Why separately out Brewster Jennings when they had already accomplishe their (on the surface) goal of making it seem as though Joe Wilson was just a guy whose wife had to get him a job. Outing Brewster Jennings two weeks later, added nothing to that story.


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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-16-05 09:09 PM
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32. Especially when
Remember Novak wrote a second article about Brewster Jennings to disclose them too. So, were they the actual target, and someone thought a soft push at Valerie would uncover it, or, was it truly collateral damage?

-Hoot
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-05 09:35 AM
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54. I agree Brewster-Jennings, and David Kelly were on to something.
I agree that probably that someothing was planting WMDs. It also explains why Judith Miller would have embedded with the military-so that she was rewarded with being first on hand when WMDs were found.
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Usrename Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-05 10:24 AM
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57. Wondering why there was no WMD ever found.
It always seemed that with the worlds most consummate dirty tricksters in the White House that they would find something. I think the general feeling before the invasion was that they would plant something if they couldn't find anything.

In 'The Stakes Are Too High for Us to Stop Fighting Now' An interview with FBI whistleblower Sibel Edmonds by Christopher Deliso

“SE: Well, not from my case, but there is quite a lot of public information about such things. A good example was the piece in the L.A. Times –

CD: The black-market nuclear parts one?

SE: Yes, by Josh Meyer. From last year. That article gives a very good example of how such a scheme works.

CD: But that report came out of an official government investigation taking apart the smuggling ring, right?

SE: Yes it did, but that doesn't mean the business was ended.

CD: No?

SE: I think one of the guys involved, Asher Karni, got a short sentence. But the other guy, the big guy, Zeki Bilmen? He got off completely – nothing.”

http://www.antiwar.com/deliso/?articleid=6934


Then from “Case reveals nuts and bolts of nuclear network” By Josh Meyer Los Angeles Times May 24 2004 ROCKVILLE, Md.

“The components, called triggered spark gaps, are sophisticated electrical switches that have nonmilitary uses, including breaking up kidney stones. But because they emit intense and rapid-fire electrical charges, they are also ideal as nuclear detonators, prompting the U.S. government to restrict their export.

In court documents filed in Karni's case in Washington, authorities say Humayun Khan, in Islamabad, placed an order with Karni for 200 of the switches last summer, at $447 apiece, and that Khan has links to Pakistan's military and a militant Islamic political group."

<snip>

"Karni then contacted Zeki Bilmen, head of Giza Technologies of Secaucus, N.J. On Aug. 6, Giza ordered 200 of the switches from PerkinElmer for $89,400, submitting certificates saying they would be used in a Soweto, South Africa, hospital.

Authorities contacted PerkinElmer officials, who told them a typical hospital order was for five or six switches. In response, the U.S. agents asked them to discreetly disable the first batch of 66 switches and send them on.”

http://quicksitebuilder.cnet.com/supfacts/id474.html

1. This attempted transaction occured "last summer" which makes it the summer of 2003 when Peace Patriot's (see link below) timeline shows that they were in panic mode.

2. Why would anyone procure 200 of these things unless they are going to frame someone? Any 'legitimate' illicit transaction doesn't make sense. A foreign power with nuclear ambitions wouldn't need delivery of 200 units all at once. Even if it was a single purchase, delivery could be spread over several years (or decades) for a really ambitious WMD program. Terrorists buying 200 units? Only if they want to get busted.

3. I see a giant Easter egg hunt where you hide two or three of these things at a hundred locations all over Iraq (it's a big place). Then, go and recover the remaining triggers after the first batch is "found". It would be a good way to ensure that they were legitimately "found". This is just the way they would think, I think.

For background, check out informative post by FormerRepublican with contributions by Peace Patriot and others:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x2029771#2033341

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EuroObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-05 11:49 AM
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64. two-fer
"...either Cheney-mediated dealings with AQ Khan or the attempted planting of WMD to provide post facto justification of the war"

- Doesn't have to be an either/or: could have been both...
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GliderGuider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-05 01:55 PM
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71. Three-fer?
Edited on Mon Oct-17-05 02:00 PM by GliderGuider
My speculation below is that BJ might have been closing in on the source of the Niger docs. That's dangerous territory, and the interests of both parties (BJ&A and Wilson) overlap there. There are way too many reasons the BFEE might have wanted them all neutralized.
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-05 11:53 AM
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65. Wilson was the "go public" vehicle for the BJ&A 'white hats' imho.
The network of intelligence professionals working covertly under cover of BJ&A and those people who were respectful of the body of knowledge this network represented employed Wilson as a vehicle by which this intelligence could be made public. Thus, Wilson wasn't a 'bystander' or collateral damage ... he became representative of the precipitating action that necessitated the neocon/OSP 'nuclear option' in completely destroying the BJ&A covert intelligence network.

There's not much question that the factionalization (cancer) of the CIA and global intelligence - in effect, a kind of "fifth column" - has seeded during BushSr's tenure as CIA director, took root during the Reagan/Bush years, bore fruit and metastacized during Bush41, corrupted the intel Clinton worked with, and has taken almost complte control during Bush43.

I think the REAL 'story' is the complete takeover of the CIA and intelligence agencies by the fascist neocons - a process that's taken 30 years.
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GliderGuider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-05 01:53 PM
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70. Now that is a very interesting take on things
It would make sense given the relationship of Plame and Wilson that they would have made common cause. I wonder if the BFEE was worried that BJ&A was close to rumbling the source of the Niger docs, at which point Wilson, as the public conduit, could have been a major threat to them. BJ&A/Wilson would have to be damn careful how they did it, though, to keep them all clear of Espionage Act charges.

More stuff to chew on. Thanks.
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mopinko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-05 09:31 AM
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52. they are not stupid
i do not think it was a blunder. it was very much on purpose. planting wmd's in iraq, or arm sales to pakistan were both possible motives to shut down plame/brewster. it may have been gravy, but i don't think it was an accident.
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NoBushSpokenHere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-16-05 08:16 PM
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23. Another nice article Will, thanks! n/t
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Poiuyt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-16-05 08:31 PM
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26. Thanks for mentioning Karen Kwiatkowski, Will
I think she's been an underutilized resource as to what really happened at the Pentagon.
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Petrodollar Warfare Donating Member (628 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-05 02:56 PM
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75. Epilogue to Petrodollar Warfare, by Karen Kwiatkowski....
Edited on Mon Oct-17-05 03:08 PM by Petrodollar Warfare
...one more note regarding Pitt's excellent essay are the hidden macroeconomic issues regarding UN Resolution 1483. Quick recap:

I hypothesized way back in December 2002 that the Bush administration sought to topple Saddam in 2003 and immediately reconvert Iraq’s oil export transaction from the euro back to the dollar. Regarding Iraq, the facts speak for themselves. Immediately after President Bush gave his “Mission Accomlished” speech, the US, UK, and Spain introduced UN Security Reslolution 1483, which passed on May 21, 2003. The critical exert that gave U.S. conplete control of Iraq's oil revenue - and quietly reconverted oil sales back to dollars:

"Pursuant to Resolution 1483 and this Regulation, it is understood that the Federal Reserve Bank will be requested to open and maintain on its books an Oil Proceeds Receipts Account (the "Receipts Account") for the initial receipt of proceeds of all export sales of petroleum, petroleum products, and natural gas from Iraq." (emphasis added)

Just as hypothesized, after toppling the Saddam regime, the Bush administration quickly reconverted Iraq’s oil transaction currency to the dollar....

...well, regarding Karen, the best part of my book is actually the Epilogue, for which I am honored and grateful...(here's some exerts of her brillant and witty writing)


Epilogue by Lieutenant Colonel Karen Kwiatkowski (retired)

In a lifetime of taking chances, Saddam Hussein’s biggest gamble occurred in late September 2000 when he walked out of a government meeting and announced he would henceforth sell his oil in euros, not dollars. This was seen as a political move; the euro had been down, struggling against the dollar and other currencies. Saddam would pay a financial price for this decision.

In return, he would perhaps curry favor with the euro-based suppliers of his Oil for Food imports, France and Germany, in a move not likely to concern the euro-ambivalent, but US-wary, Russia and China. Certainly the currency switch was a slap at the American and British governments. It probably seemed to be not only a cost-effective tactic, but also an efficient one, given the dearth of Iraqi military and economic capacity after over a decade of sanctions and US/UK.

Saddam’s gamble didn’t work out this time. He, his family, the Ba’ath Party that had ruled Iraq since 1968, 24 million Iraqis, France, Germany, Russia, China, Iraq’s neighbors, and the United Nations continue to pay dearly for this choice.

Saddam’s decision was ignored, buried in the petroleum business journals and the odd European publication, a blip in the stream from selected wire services. It was disregarded, just as Americans themselves missed the signs that the first part of the 21st century would be known by political scientists as Neoconservatism Ascendant.

William Clark has wisely and patiently explained how and why Saddam’s choice accelerated the current America military quagmire in Iraq. Clark has carefully illuminated how the Washington establishment, unaccountable to citizens and shrouded in arcane motivations, has willfully compromised the ideas of liberty and freedom that we so cherish in this country.

<more>

In my 20th year of military service, from May 2002 to February 2003, I was a staff officer in the office of the Secretary of Defense, Undersecretary for Policy, Near East and South Asia Directorate (NESA). Our deputy undersecretary was Cheney’s hand-placed acolyte, William Luti. Our undersecretary for policy was the ardently pro-Likud and strikingly dim Douglas Feith; his bosses were Deputy Defense Secretary and neoconservative ideologue Paul Wolfowitz, and old Cheney pal and establishment insider Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld. The machinery for a new kind of American empire was in place with the odd neoconservative at the State Department and a former Chevron board director Condoleeza Rice as national security advisor to George W. Bush, himself quite familiar with the financial vulnerability end of the oil business. Fueled by unchallenged military capability, this group was further energized by the uniquely ignorant hubris that comes from never having worn a uniform. When I came to this assignment, I was unaware that neoconservatism was our foreign policy impetus. Co-workers told me there was a dangerously politicized environment in this part of the Defense Policy secretariat. I was advised to learn about neoconservatism and Leo Strauss in order to understand these strategy and policy choices and the role of propaganda and misdirection in pursuing them.

As William Clark has pointed out, neoconservative strategy — using overt military actions to pursue energy or financial policies — has two main flaws. First, the enabling political propaganda that may be successfully directed at Americans usually remains transparent to the rest of the world, and the odd American as well. Secondly, the aftermath of our invasion and occupation of Iraq, a country we had militarily humiliated in 1991 and militarily and economically punished since, would predictably provide a complicated environment on the ground. This would be necessarily unsupportive of the known neoconservative objectives of oil production, access, and military presence.

That the Bush administration apparently had no plan to change this environment of predictable resistance to better support our wishes is beyond irresponsible. But it is understandable. The philosophy that calls for American military dominance and control of (not just access to) global energy stocks, clothed in language of liberation and human rights, truly has little insight into either military strategy or liberation. Compounding the widespread ignorance of its advocates, the philosophy itself is unconstrained by basic morality.

It became clearer to me that the oaths taken by career military officers and NCOs, and similar commitments made by government employees and political appointees, to serve with honor, lawfully, respecting and preserving the Constitution of the United States, had been corrupted. Key neoconservatives, such as Paul Wolfowitz and Abe Shulsky, the director of the Orwellian-named Office of Special Plans (OSP), seemed to spend far more time in creative and urgent justification for the invasion of Iraq than in considering the legalities or moral correctness of propagating fearful falsehoods to the Congress and the people in order to “get” a war.

The recent revelation of an ongoing FBI investigation, since 2001, into possible espionage and other untoward activities in this part of the Pentagon is only one of many red flags indicating that our current foreign policy, particularly our neoconservative policy in Iraq, is defective and unserviceable.

<more>

Tragically, in 2023, 20 years after the American invasion and occupation of Iraq, historians will draw similar conclusions about that unjustified, costly, and disastrous intervention.

Vietnam is often discussed as a parallel to Iraq these days, but it is a superficial one, with one exception. Then as now, we witnessed a media too willing to serve as a mouthpiece for Republican and Democratic administrations alike and too able to ignore the history, reality, and hypocrisies of our approach and objectives in Vietnam. Shortly after the Tet Offensive, Walter Cronkite was both commended and scorned for stating on the CBS Evening News in February 1968 that “We are mired in stalemate.” Any assessment of Cronkite’s honesty or venality ignored the fact that, long before 1968, the Pentagon understood the condition of stalemate and politicians were unwilling or unable to withdraw American forces from Vietnam until 1975, seven years after that CBS broadcast and after tens of thousands more American troops had died there.

As we have seen in our recent Iraq experience, the Pentagon’s steadfast reliability in the face of amazingly corrupt and incompetent policy-makers and media collusion with the Washington party line are still with us. As a result, men and women still die for the unclear objectives, impossible dreams, and incorrigible greed of those inside the Beltway.

Today two generations of Vietnamese struggle to create their own reality, made possible only after our complete military withdrawal. Today, our administrations encourage trade with, and travel to, an emerging capitalistic and peaceful Vietnam. Could this be an Iraqi future? If we leave now, it indeed could be. But if neoconservatism really is ascendant, we are staying, and thanks to Petrodollar Warfare, you can begin to understand why.

The United States is facing crises — an energy crisis, a national fiscal crisis, a petrodollar crisis. A phase in our modern American history is ending, and something new will be either forced upon us or chosen by us, or some combination of both.

Neoconservatives, accepting a zero-sum game and having a startling lack of imagination, believe that we need only reject our classical liberal and republican traditions and forcibly change others, to the extent of taking over foreign oil-rich countries while intimidating fellow oil-importing countries. America is a great nation, but the world is far bigger and far more resourceful than George W. Bush and the neoconservatives can appreciate.

The solid performance of the euro both before and since the invasion of Iraq and the emergence of a competing petroeuro continue to evolve, seemingly unaffected by our adventure in Iraq and, ironically, even encouraged by it. The economic marketplace seeks comparative value in currency, in businesses, in policies, and in countries. Thus the millions of economic and financial transactions worldwide persist and eventually prevail, while Washington neoconservatives nervously finger their beads and seek to implement a global command economy.

Thomas Jefferson clearly envisioned the disaster that would befall America if media were restrained, if citizens were uninformed and too trusting of government proclamations, and if the excessive political influence of big business and special interests were metastasized in the corridors of political power and at the door of the US Treasury.

While Jefferson had some familiarity with the Jacobins in revolutionary France, it is doubtful he envisioned the neoconservative persuasion and its inane and warlike approaches to solving critical problems of excessive debt, decades of a military “subsidy” artificially depressing domestic oil prices, and currency collapse. He might have addressed our current and coming crisis as an oil-dependent nation in terms he knew and loved best — classical liberal values of free speech, free trade, and free action, constitutional restraint of centralized government power, strict limitations on executive power, trust in the creativity and productive power of Americans themselves, and possibly, the occasional usefulness of refreshing “the tree of liberty with the blood of tyrants” — tyrants he fully expected to be hiding out in a city called Washington.

*****
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northamericancitizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-05 04:40 PM
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79. Thank you Petrodollard. This is scary....nt
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Tigress DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-16-05 08:33 PM
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27. Thanks for the post, but what's with the sig?
You seem down based on the sig. And even if Fizt only gets Rove and Libby on this round, it isn't the last round. Remember, every victory is a victory and even seemingly little unrelated things pile up and amount to something over time.

Germany found the war in Iraq to violate international law and determined that a German officer who was demoted for refusing an order because he said it might contribute to this illegal war was correct in following his conscience and has restored him to his original position.

That happened 3 months ago and just now the 130 pages of paperwork is available. Momentum building.

"You can't stop the power, the power of the people. Cause the power of the people won't stop. Say WHAT?"

"You can't stop the power, the power of the people. Cause the power of the people won't stop. Say WHAT?"

"You can't stop the power, the power of the people. Cause the power of the people won't stop. Say WHAT?"

"You can't stop the power, the power of the people. Cause the power of the people won't stop. Say WHAT?"

Whoo Yah!
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BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-16-05 08:39 PM
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28. One wonders: Executive order
Who wrote that piece of filth?

Was it maybe, Ms. Miers?

+++++++++++++=

These are interesting times, eh?
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-16-05 09:03 PM
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29. The first paragraph,...is truth in a nutshell. Without the question marks
,...it is a flat-out charge,...of treason. "They" are charged, by those actually acting in the interests of THE PEOPLE, of conspiring to pull the most massive and profitable CON ever criminally executed.

Those bastards abused the power of the offices SWORN to advance "democracy" and democratic principles and uphold the Constitution. They took that power, the power to advance "democracy",...and they viciously wielded it to exploit the very people they were suppose to be protecting and advancing and empowering.

They deceived and exploited their own people. They continue to deceive and exploit the American people. They view their own people as resources to be SPENT,...and used/abused/disposed. These fuckers have no interest in "democracy" or delivering the "freedom" necessary for ANY people to develop a sense of personal empowerment.

I no longer "hate" these selfish, cancerous, human scums. I just want to engage in a common cause,...a united HUMAN AND DEMOCRATIC cause to "contain" and "innoculate" humanity from the "cancer within".

We have to ALWAYS BELIEVE that,...there is cure to such diseases. We must ALWAYS reach for both the cure and prevention of such destructive "human-generated" diseases.

We must.
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Carla in Ca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-16-05 09:07 PM
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30. Great post. I have 2 questions
Why would Miller and Libby go to Wyoming (Cheney was there on vacation) and why was Miller given a DOD security clearance?
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texpatriot2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-16-05 09:19 PM
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33. About this ex order, what he did creating it, please tell me that it
is illegal (it certainly should be, right?). It is unconstitutional, can a "president" create and ex order that is unconstitutional? Can that stand? This doesn't make any sense, it's illogical. And yet, he did it, they did it, right under our noses, to hide in plain sight...and we didn't even get it (well some did I am sure).
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texpatriot2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-16-05 09:20 PM
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34. Is this E order the proof? Is it like the article says, the fingerprint?
Could that be?
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Maestro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-16-05 09:25 PM
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35. Thanks
Another for the keeper file.
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TacticalPeek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-16-05 09:30 PM
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36. Before the grand jury, Mr. Fitzgerald asked me questions about Mr. Cheney.
"Before the grand jury, Mr. Fitzgerald asked me questions about Mr. Cheney."

"Before the grand jury, Mr. Fitzgerald asked me questions about Mr. Cheney."

"Before the grand jury, Mr. Fitzgerald asked me questions about Mr. Cheney."



:)


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Ellipsis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-16-05 10:12 PM
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37. Thank you.
...again.
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-16-05 10:20 PM
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38. Don Henley... What Do I Win ???
:beer:
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Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-05 09:31 AM
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53. Well, Henley says that the heart of the matter comes down to forgiveness
...I'm not in a forgiving mood for these criminals. I'm thinking frogmarch, myself.
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dretceterini Donating Member (329 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-05 04:27 PM
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78. neither am I, but
I'm thinking wood chipper
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Sparkman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-05 06:21 PM
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84. Let the cannon fodder receive the "forgiveness", until they know what they
do, and know how criminal are their commanders, their commander-in-chief, and the white house neocons that they obey. The soldiers may serve us, but they obey their superior officers, who in turn march to the orders of the fascists who would have corporate-state government dominate all aspects of our world. Goose stepping to the beat of the U.S. corporate media is killing innocents in more countries than the 50 wars by the U.S. military since WW2. imo
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specimenfred1984 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-16-05 10:35 PM
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39. I Think *'s Public WMD Lies/Speeches Are Solid Evidence Too
He lied during a SOTU address, that's a pretty big lie that everyone witnessed.

And, I have a simpleton reason why Wilson was retaliated against, it's just because he refused to go along with their lies. Colin Powell knowingly lied to the U.N. because he feared the same kind of retaliation. All of these co-conspirators know if they start talking and resisting that they will have a lot to account for individually so they choose to keep quiet.

The OSP and WHIG are solid evidence of a conspiracy as well.

But, executive orders are just guidelines unless they are supported by Congress which gives the order(s) legality. Exec. order 13303 shows a motive for profiteering but doesn't directly show evidence of profiteering, it could easily be argued that the order was as they have fraudulently stated it was issued for, for Iraqi reconstruction.

I'm missing something in the Exec. order = direct * payoff connection, I see the Exec. order as just a further Nazi-like ligitimizing of the entire * regime, a sort-or pseudo document meant to show ligitimacy even though it's got no legality.
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ginnyinWI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-05 04:41 PM
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80. well, before that he lied to the Congress
and I understand that is Treason, or something like it. If it can be proved that he knew he was lying about the WMD's, they've got him.
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Sparkman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-05 06:24 PM
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85. "We all hang together, or surely we will all hang separately" quoting who?
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cry baby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-16-05 10:38 PM
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40. How do you think Brewster Jennings fits into this?
Do you think that the * admin could have been trying to plant WMD materials in Iraq and that BJ may have been in a position to find out about their plan?
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Pachamama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-05 02:25 AM
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48. I've always believed that the real reason for "outing" Plame was not
because of Joe Wilson's story in the NYT re. the Yellowcake, but rather the outing of her and Brewster Jennings was because of what they were tracking and I think that it was because they uncovered something even bigger- the trafficking of WMD's under the auspices and approval of this administration and the plans to deliberately get some into Iraq to plant.
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-16-05 10:43 PM
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41. Great piece, Will. Do we know if Karen Kwiatkowski testified
before the GJ? Did Fitz go that deep? Don't you know Karen? I remember you talking about her in one of your speeches. Do you know her personally and do you know if she testified?
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senseandsensibility Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-16-05 11:19 PM
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42. Your candor isn't surprising
Rich's is. How long until we can expect someone like Rich to point out the "payout." It's still forbidden territory apparently, but you may have helped to open the floodgates. And you are right. Did I mention that?:)
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Beam Me Up Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-05 01:25 AM
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44. Yes, but who is protecting Bush*? Who put him in office? Who keeps him
there despite more scandals than we can keep track of?

Indeed, if Fitzgerald's indictments do not go beyond Rove and Libby, he might as well not have bothered. But I argue that even Bush and Cheney and Rumsfeld (et al), as black as their hearts are, are beards for something far more sinister. Until we can name it and name those who run it, any hope of a genuine Republic will prove false. My biggest fear is that Bush will be removed from office and everyone will go back to sleep again, falsely reasured that Democracy works after all.
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GetTheRightVote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-05 01:34 AM
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45. It is heart breaking to know our country means so little to them &
Edited on Mon Oct-17-05 01:35 AM by GetTheRightVote
our children killed in the Iraqian war even less. I have so much fear for my country and her people. A fear that keeps me awake at night afriad to go to sleep for what tomorrow may bring us, from our own leaders.

:kick:
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texpatriot2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-05 02:05 AM
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47. You still awake? It keeps me up too. I am barely breathing.
I am so tired of not being able to relax and go to sleep. I haven't been able to since the wicked "Supreme Court" selected him in 2000 in a way that violated me to the core and it's only gotten worse, just as I suspected.
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LonelyLRLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-05 01:55 AM
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46. Could the creation and operation of WHIG itself form the basis to indict?
Maybe conspiracy? Maybe even something more serious? Wish I knew something about legal theories that might apply to the bigger picture.

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BamaBecky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-05 08:13 AM
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49. They used September 11 against their own people ?????
The USED 9/11 against their own people? Interesting Sentence! Instead of used, perhaps we could insert perpetrated?
Bama
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EuroObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-05 12:18 PM
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66. Logically neutral phrasing
To refer to them 'USING' 9/11 in this way appears noncommital on whether or not there may have been LIHOP or MIHOP elements behind it. As such I for one am happy for now and in this context with this no doubt very carefully-chosen phrase of Will's.
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jus_the_facts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-05 08:42 AM
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50. The very same people became wealthy and powerful after killing JFK....
Edited on Mon Oct-17-05 08:45 AM by jus_the_facts
....and by that action...continuing the Viet Nam occupation for another decade...how soon history repeats because the masses have their heads up their asses and swallow the have and have more's mainstream media and neo-con propaganda...hook..line and sinker...most people today can't comprehend the definition of a *conspiracy*...much less how they're carried out or by whom...for what purposes...and even less how the ramifications and repercussions affect their lives....the Pentagon continues to bind us to it's never ending wheel of fortune for certain priviledged individuals all the while it's a never ending rape for the rest of us poor misfortunates caught perpetually under its wheels. :nopity:
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jus_the_facts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-18-05 09:00 AM
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90. Don't believe Me...then follow the money....
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=1842415

Halliburton has already raked in more than $10 billion from the Bush-Cheney Administration for work in Iraq, and they were awarded some of the first Katrina contracts," Lautenberg said in a statement. "It is unseemly for the Vice President to continue to benefit from this company at the same time his Administration funnels billions of dollars to it. The Vice President should sever his financial ties to Halliburton once and for all.”

Cheney continues to hold 433,333 Halliburton stock options. The company has been criticized by auditors for its handling of a no-bid contact in Iraq. Auditors found the firm marked up meal prices for troops and inflated gas prices in a deal with a Kuwaiti supplier. The company built the American prison at Guantanamo Bay.

...more...
http://rawstory.com/news/2005/Cheneys_stock_options_rose_3281_last_1011.html
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AuntiBush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-05 09:08 AM
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51. Thanks, Will. You're the Best!
Always read your articles, both here and at truthout.

Lost the bookmark for Will's personal web site. Does anyone have it?
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ArkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-05 09:39 AM
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55. The center of a dart board is red....
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Pacifist Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-05 10:00 AM
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56. Depends on the dartboard...
I have a black and white one with a white center. I have seen one with a green center. Yes, many are red but you don't have to look very far to find a black one.



Sorry, I've got a wicked head cold and three small children bugging me. I'm in a contentious mood. ;)
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-05 11:00 AM
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59. Mine is black
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grannylib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-05 10:43 AM
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58. Notice too how many of the death-loving pro-war goons mentioned here
are also founding members or otherwise involved with PNAC...who have been yanking the Imbecile's puppet strings from the beginning. Exposing those whores is right up there with ending no audit/no paper trail voting, IMHO, as a priority before the midterm elections.
Now that it seems as though some Americans are starting to wake up and smell the shit they bought and paid for, we need to really hit hard with LTTEs, calls to Congressional members, and heavy pressure on the MSM to accurately, honestly and with some INVESTIGATION into these issues.
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-05 11:01 AM
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60. Link to final
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Seabiscuit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-05 11:17 AM
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61. I've been waiting for someone to say this for what seems an eternity.
Thank you, Mr. Pitt!
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EuroObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-05 11:30 AM
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62. Stovepipes and Funnels
Edited on Mon Oct-17-05 11:34 AM by EuroObserver
"That “different channel,” we now know, was almost certainly WHIG."

OSP and other unconventional channels comprising the WHIG 'stovepipes' (by which raw unfiltered intell is passed directly to higher authorities without the information on which it is based having been subjected to rigorous professional scrutiny) Sy Hersh referred to in his October 2003 article here: http://www.newyorker.com/fact/content/?031027fa_fact .

Stovepipes that may also work in the other direction if the forged Niger documents were placed in Rome on the orders of the Cheney-led WHIG. ( Refs: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=103&topic_id=163183 , http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=103&topic_id=163976 )

So, we have WHIG stovepipes feeding and possibly self-feeding intell to bolster the tissue of disinformation and lies that took the USA and UK into the illegal invasion and occupation of Iraq.

And, we seem to have particular WHIG funnels such as Judith Miller at the NYT that helped carry those lies, via the media, into the hearts and minds of citizens. (Ref. http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=103&topic_id=164514 , http://www.truthout.org/docs_2005/101305M.shtml ).

...And something very similar going on in the UK on which much further research is required. A DSIG - Downing Street Iraq Group headed by the very hands-on Anthony Blair?
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FizzFuzz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-05 11:38 AM
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63. Thank you, great untangling as usual.
saving to "Must Print Out" file.

but if god forbid, chimp/Dick come out unscathed, should Fitzgerald "may have stayed in Chicago"? I don't think so---every act of truth telling is having an effect, and inspiring more. "Death by a thousand cuts", or to put it another way, change happens in increments.


That Dark Helmet quote is pretty depressing though. Hope its wrong.
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mike_c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-05 12:33 PM
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67. excellent essay, kicked and recommended....
eom
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stop the bleeding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-05 01:43 PM
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68. Great summary as always, thanks for keeping us focused. N/T
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Shredr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-05 01:44 PM
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69. Masterfully researched and written, as always.
Nominated.
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EVDebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-05 02:27 PM
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72. Mary Matalin in the WHIG group...did she ever mention this to Carville ?
Edited on Mon Oct-17-05 02:41 PM by EVDebs
Now that's some real Crossfire goin' on there, I tell you.

BTW, this whole WHIG OSP stuff very much reminds me of Kissinger's use of his NSC position to make the State Dept virtually useless (see Sy Hersh's book The Price of Power) during Nixon's "reign", as daughter Julie so aptly put it.

William Rogers...just substitute Colin Powell and voila...just like old times !

One more thing, William Pitt should mention to DUers to get their hands on the book Spider's Web by Alan Friedman. The subtitle is the 'punchline', but since few have read the book it may now get the attention it deserved when it originally came out. Looksee who was really arming Iraq with any WMD materiel and it turns out to be.......
US. This then qualifies the whole sorry episode as a violation of the War Powers Act of 1973,

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.phpaz=view_all&address=132x2161828

which required truthful 'situations' and 'circumstances' be conveyed to Congress when committing US troops into hostilities. Ooopie.

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Threedifferentones Donating Member (820 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-05 02:40 PM
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73. Why has it taken this long for
someone to say this? I read somewhere a little while ago (I think it was dkos) that the NYT has not mentioned the WHIG one time...until now. I'd like to say "better late than never" but if they had been writing things like this since the beginning we might not be in this mess.
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-05 03:05 PM
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76. Well, one reason was
that Time intentionally quashed the story because they did not want to be seen as throwing scandal bombs during the Presidential campaign. The chopping down of Rather spooked them pretty good. They were the first to cover it, and when they backed off, the main pursuers of the story stopped pushing it...which meant other publications didn't have to do stories of their own to compete.

As for the Times, they had Miller around their necks like an albatross all this time and treated the story as if it were radioactive.

So scratch the two biggest publications in the country on this one. That's part of the reason. For my own part, I've been goddam saying this for more than two years:

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&q=%22william+rivers+pitt%22+valerie+plame

Yeah, the long silence pisses me off, too.
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Sparkman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-05 06:53 PM
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87. LISTEN to Pacifica Radio, or read Nation Mag, or the Progressive Mag or bl
ogs and it's not new. View movies like Uncovered, or OutFoxed Unprecedented by Robert Greenwald Films. Fahrenheit 911 Michael Moore.
The World According to Bush, by William Karel.
Noam Chomsky, btw, is the genius of our movement,but books like Turning the Tide, hard reading, his "9-11" booklet is easier.
"A people's history of the U.S." by Howard Zinn has documented real U.S. history facts that proove and illustrate the true nature of an oppressive people, subjugating and violating and leaching off of native peoples, slaves and poor Irish, and women and criminalizing the poor with a convincing volume of references few have criticized.
imo
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Threedifferentones Donating Member (820 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-18-05 08:09 PM
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93. Exactly
so why hasnt the NYT mentioned it? Its a glaring example of either gross incompetence or bias in the media.
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LunaC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-05 02:47 PM
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74. All roads lead to PNAC
I've been campaigning to "out" those bastards for years. How sweet it would be........
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Dangerously Amused Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-05 03:09 PM
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77. Thank you for sharing your tremendous intellect and talent...


...so as to maximize truth and justice in this world.

Your words are manna to the masses.


My posts are humbled in your presence!
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vandrop Donating Member (2 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-05 04:54 PM
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81. Revenge? Nah.
Let's remember, the "outing" of Plame was not to "get back" or in any other way unleash "retribution" on Wilson. It was a sly attempt to brand the man's opinion quesitonable. This action was not taken simply out of spite or anger (although, that's in there), it was taken to nullify Wilson's criticism of the Niger claim. I think this gets a little clouded over with words like "revenge" and "retribution".

PS: I want Will Pitt to run for President.
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EuroObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-05 05:16 PM
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82. CIA leak probe 'widening to include use of intelligence'
Just published on the Fnancial Times web site:

http://news.ft.com/cms/s/ff92e968-3f4b-11da-932f-00000e2511c8.html

DU thread here: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x1856373

<snip>

Evidence is building that the probe conducted by Patrick Fitzgerald, special prosecutor, has extended beyond the leaking of a covert CIA agent's name to include questioning about the administration's handling of pre-Iraq war intelligence.

<snip>

The US failure to find weapons of mass destruction in Iraq resulted in two inquiries into the prewar intelligence, one led by the Senate intelligence committee and the other by a White House-appointed panel.

But both panels confined themselves to investigating the intelligence community, concluding that the White House was largely the innocent victim of faulty intelligence. Neither delved into the political use of the available intelligence by the administration.

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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-05 05:59 PM
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83. Will, you make DU so worthwhile!
This is awesome!!

Thank you for your contributions to the best site on the internet.
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Sparkman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-05 06:44 PM
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86. 1991: Incubator baby killing story, slant oil drilling, amassing Quwait bo
rder of Iraqi troops...remember the PR firm that formulated these propaganda stories for Desert Storm land invasion. Slant oil drilling charges by Iraq against Quwait, and the OKing of their invasion by U.S. ambassador only to later result in U.S. killing 135,000 Iraqi soldiers and some 500,000 innocent Iraqis from the blockade/embargo/sanctions lasting TEN YEARS.
Propaganda by the U.S. media PROOVES this country is in the hands of Fascists, not democracy loving anybodies.
We can focus on minutiea, for now, but murder inc. is this country's MO. imo
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newscott Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-05 07:06 PM
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88. Bravo Mr. Pitt!
I think we're all agreed that TREASON is on the table for these bastards.
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emald Donating Member (718 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-18-05 08:42 AM
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89. Worst criminal president ever.
Why is he not in prison, or better yet, just gone?
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-18-05 04:22 PM
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91. .
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Voltaire99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-18-05 04:54 PM
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92. All that gassing on the Bushies...
...and nary a mention of the Democrats who voted wholeheartedly for the war. And who continue to enable it. And whose leading presidential contender is a giddy cheerleader for war.

Get a clue, Pitt.
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