PSALM 112:1-10 New International version of the BIBLE

[Tim4319]

Please read this and judge for yourself whether or not this administration are truly Christians?

My wife pointed this scripture out to me, and it really opened my eyes to how big of a bunch of hypocrites this administration is. I highlighted a few things that made me scratch my head. I was so moved I had to share it.

Psalm 112:1-10

Praise the Lord. Blessed is the man who fears the Lord, who finds great delight in his commands. His children will be mighty in the land; the generation of the upright will be blessed. Wealth and riches are in the house, and his righteousness endures forever. Even in darkness light dawns for the upright, for the gracious and compassionate and righteous man. Good will come to him who is generous and lends freely, who conducts his affairs with justice. Surely he will never be shaken; a righteous man will be remembered forever. He will have no fear of bad news; his heart is steadfast, trusting in the Lord. His heart secure, he will have no fear; in the end he will look in triumph on his foes. He has scattered abroad his gifts to the poor, his righteousness endures forever; his horn will be lifted high in honor. The wicked man will see and be vexed, he will gnash his teeth and waste away; the longings of the wicked will come to nothing.

[texpatriot2004]

1. Thanks for sharing the verse. I know that Chumpy and Cheeney

and the rest of this adiministration are EVIL. They are not true Christians but rather they are working with the great deceiver.

[AirmensMom]

3. Unfortunately, they are giving Christians a bad name.

:(

[texpatriot2004]

9. Yes, yes they are. That's not how you win people to Christ it just

feeds the God bashing IMHO.

[AirmensMom]

2. It's been clear to me for years that they are NOT truly Christians.

:shrug:

[Bellamia]

4. "Christians" come in all shapes and sizes

but the clue for me is the Ten Commandments, such as, Thou shall not kill..........as in WAR. I know, I know, there is such a thing as a just war, or is there??????????, self-defense is one thing, but deadly retribution is definitely not a Christian way of being.

[AirmensMom]

6. How about this one:

"Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God."

The sermon on the mount is a huge clue that no Christian should be able to ignore.

[Tim4319]

10. That one verse, seems to say everything this admin is not!

[AirmensMom]

12. Absolutely!

How many peacemakers do you see in that crowd?

Thanks for the hug. :grouphug:

[FreedomAngel82]

23. Yep

There's this Christian Church down the road that has that up on their little billboard type thingie. Than this baptist church down the road once had "God want what's right not what's left" and then after that is when I saw the blessed are the peacemakers from the other church right across the street. :D Than the next Sunday I went by the baptist church changed the sign. :shrug: They change it often but this was pretty fast.

[AspenRose]

5. "....who conducts his affairs with justice."

This administration has no idea what that is.

[xray s]

7. Here's another one to throw at them; Ezekiel 16:49-50

The reason God destroyed Sodom...

49 " 'Now this was the sin of your sister Sodom: She and her daughters were arrogant, overfed and unconcerned; they did not help the poor and needy. 50 They were haughty and did detestable things before me. Therefore I did away with them as you have seen.

[FreedomAngel82]

24. Yep

A lot of Christians try to use that verse to show that God doesn't like homosexuality. :eyes: But that pretty much is clear. Oh and also check out this one: Romans 13:1-7 < 1Everyone must submit himself to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God. 2Consequently, he who rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves. 3For rulers hold no terror for those who do right, but for those who do wrong. Do you want to be free from fear of the one in authority? Then do what is right and he will commend you. 4For he is God's servant to do you good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for he does not bear the sword for nothing. He is God's servant, an agent of wrath to bring punishment on the wrongdoer. 5Therefore, it is necessary to submit to the authorities, not only because of possible punishment but also because of conscience. 6This is also why you pay taxes, for the authorities are God's servants, who give their full time to governing. 7Give everyone what you owe him: If you owe taxes, pay taxes; if revenue, then revenue; if respect, then respect; if honor, then honor.>

There's more there too about loving thy neighbor etc.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

8. The Old Testament came before christ.

[AirmensMom]

11. Yes, but Christ spoke the sermon on the mount.

There's a lot of good stuff in it.

"A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them." Matthew 7:18-20

[Liberal Veteran]

13. A more Christian appropriate passage would be this one

But when the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then he will sit on the throne of his glory. Before him all the nations will be gathered, and he will separate them one from another, as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. He will set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left. Then the King will tell those on his right hand, 'Come, blessed of my Father, inherit the Kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world; for I was hungry, and you gave me food to eat; I was thirsty, and you gave me drink; I was a stranger, and you took me in; naked, and you clothed me; I was sick, and you visited me; I was in prison, and you came to me.'
"Then the righteous will answer him, saying, 'Lord, when did we see you hungry, and feed you; or thirsty, and give you a drink? When did we see you as a stranger, and take you in; or naked, and clothe you? When did we see you sick, or in prison, and come to you?'
"The King will answer them, 'Most certainly I tell you, inasmuch as you did it to one of the least of these my brothers, you did it to me.' Then he will say also to those on the left hand, 'Depart from me, you cursed, into the eternal fire which is prepared for the devil and his angels; for I was hungry, and you didn't give me food to eat; I was thirsty, and you gave me no drink; I was a stranger, and you didn't take me in; naked, and you didn't clothe me; sick, and in prison, and you didn't visit me.'
"Then they will also answer, saying, 'Lord, when did we see you hungry, or thirsty, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and didn't help you?'
"Then he will answer them, saying, 'Most certainly I tell you, inasmuch as you didn't do it to one of the least of these, you didn't do it to me.' These will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life."

Matthew 25:31-46

[AirmensMom]

14. Yes, definitely.

Thanks for doing all that typing. It's a great one! ;)

[Tim4319]

15. Yes, this scripture most definitely describes what is not going on.

[FreedomAngel82]

25. I always love to use that one too

The Beautitudes are probably my favorite.

[AirmensMom]

16. Great post, Tim.

I was almost afraid it was going to be something sarcastic (we get plenty of those). It's very refreshing to discover that I'm not alone in questioning this administration and their claim to Christianity. I actually lost a friend over it last year when I casaully said that Bush isn't a Christian. Oops.

[Tim4319]

17. I am so happy to see that you appreciate this post.

Although I did not post it to see what type of reaction I would receive. I posted it really without thinking, and while reading that passage, something move in me to share it with my DU brothers and sisters. I knew there were other passages that would have done a better job describing how the teachings are totally opposite what this administration does. But, for some reason, these words just made me sit down at the keyboard and post this message.

Again, thank you so much for the positive feedback.

Last, but far from least: I am truly sorry for your loss!

[AirmensMom]

18. You're welcome.

I'd like to see more posts like this one.

And thanks. We were good friends and we made beautiful music together (piano & flute). We even tried for most of the year to patch it up, but there was always this awkwardness. She wouldn't talk about anything to do with politics, unless I agreed with her views. I could tell that she thought I had "fallen" and it was hard for her to be around me. It was equally hard for me to be around her when almost everything that was going on around me had to do with politics. I have 2 kids (daughter and son-in-law) in the A/F, so you can imagine how hard it is to bite my tongue.

[FreedomAngel82]

26. I'm sorry about that

:( :hug: Too bad you couldn't show this person these verses and make them think for themselves. Being Christian isn't about proclaiming to be "pro-life" while ignorning the poor, wadging in war, lying, greed, stealing etc.

[AirmensMom]

31. She wouldn't listen if I tried.

She was raised to be a repug and nothing will change that. Whatever repug is up there at the top, she worships him w/out question. It's really sad, b/c she would be a pretty nice person otherwise. Since I told her that bush* isn't a Christian, she won't talk about anything important with me.

Thanks for the hug. :hug:

[drb]

19. Right on!

nt

[shockingelk]

20. Psalm 37:21-26

The wicked borrow and do not repay,
       but the righteous give generously;

those the LORD blesses will inherit the land,
       but those he curses will be cut off.

If the LORD delights in a man's way,
       he makes his steps firm;

though he stumble, he will not fall,
       for the LORD upholds him with his hand.

I was young and now I am old,
       yet I have never seen the righteous forsaken
       or their children begging bread.

They are always generous and lend freely;
       their children will be blessed.

[FreedomAngel82]

27. Psalms and proverbs are the best

Psalms are beautiful and proverbs has a lot of great advice too. A lot of it is common sense of course.

[shockingelk]

21. Proverbs 28

The wicked man flees though no one pursues,
       but the righteous are as bold as a lion.

When a country is rebellious, it has many rulers,
       but a man of understanding and knowledge maintains order.

A ruler who oppresses the poor
       is like a driving rain that leaves no crops.

Those who forsake the law praise the wicked,
       but those who keep the law resist them.

Evil men do not understand justice,
       but those who seek the LORD understand it fully.

Better a poor man whose walk is blameless
       than a rich man whose ways are perverse.

He who keeps the law is a discerning son,
       but a companion of gluttons disgraces his father.

He who increases his wealth by exorbitant interest
       amasses it for another, who will be kind to the poor.

If anyone turns a deaf ear to the law,
       even his prayers are detestable.

He who leads the upright along an evil path
       will fall into his own trap,
       but the blameless will receive a good inheritance.

A rich man may be wise in his own eyes,
       but a poor man who has discernment sees through him.

When the righteous triumph, there is great elation;
       but when the wicked rise to power, men go into hiding.

He who conceals his sins does not prosper,
       but whoever confesses and renounces them finds mercy.

Blessed is the man who always fears the LORD,
       but he who hardens his heart falls into trouble.

Like a roaring lion or a charging bear
       is a wicked man ruling over a helpless people.

A tyrannical ruler lacks judgment,
       but he who hates ill-gotten gain will enjoy a long life.

A man tormented by the guilt of murder
       will be a fugitive till death;
       let no one support him.

He whose walk is blameless is kept safe,
       but he whose ways are perverse will suddenly fall.

He who works his land will have abundant food,
       but the one who chases fantasies will have his fill of poverty.

A faithful man will be richly blessed,
       but one eager to get rich will not go unpunished.

To show partiality is not good—
       yet a man will do wrong for a piece of bread.

A stingy man is eager to get rich
       and is unaware that poverty awaits him.

He who rebukes a man will in the end gain more favor
       than he who has a flattering tongue.

He who robs his father or mother
       and says, "It's not wrong"—
       he is partner to him who destroys.

A greedy man stirs up dissension,
       but he who trusts in the LORD will prosper.

He who trusts in himself is a fool,
       but he who walks in wisdom is kept safe.

He who gives to the poor will lack nothing,
       but he who closes his eyes to them receives many curses.

When the wicked rise to power, people go into hiding;
       but when the wicked perish, the righteous thrive.

[FreedomAngel82]

22. Another verse that shows me

is when Jesus said to becareful of false prophets and you shall know them by their fruits. If Bush really was a Christian he wouldn't even be there. He would've tried to stop people in 2000 from taking the election away from Al Gore and if it didn't work he would've stepped down immediatley and declined the office. Bush is no man of God and anyone who thinks so is really fooling themselves. Same thing with people like Falwell and Dobson. Being a Christian is more than being "anti-choice" and "anti-gay".

[NorthernSpy]

28. Isaiah 32:5-8 praises liberals, and condemns those who are not liberal!

From the King James Version:

32:5 The vile person shall be no more called liberal, nor the churl said to be bountiful.

32:6 For the vile person will speak villany, and his heart will work iniquity, to practise hypocrisy, and to utter error against the LORD, to make empty the soul of the hungry, and he will cause the drink of the thirsty to fail.

32: 7 The instruments also of the churl are evil: he deviseth wicked devices to destroy the poor with lying words, even when the needy speaketh right.

32:8 But the liberal deviseth liberal things; and by liberal things shall he stand.

Post this widely...

[Az]

29. The notion of a true Christian is not so easily resolved

You site some very wonderful ideas from the book of Psalm. And truly they do speak of kindness, generousity, and fellowship. But from the same book can be found ideas in keeping with the Bush camp.

From the book of Psalm

18:32 It is God that girdeth me with strength, and maketh my way perfect.
18:33 He maketh my feet like hinds' feet, and setteth me upon my high places.
18:34 He teacheth my hands to war, so that a bow of steel is broken by mine arms.
18:35 Thou hast also given me the shield of thy salvation: and thy right hand hath holden me up, and thy gentleness hath made me great.
18:36 Thou hast enlarged my steps under me, that my feet did not slip.
18:37 I have pursued mine enemies, and overtaken them: neither did I turn again till they were consumed.
18:38 I have wounded them that they were not able to rise: they are fallen under my feet.
18:39 For thou hast girded me with strength unto the battle: thou hast subdued under me those that rose up against me.
18:40 Thou hast also given me the necks of mine enemies; that I might destroy them that hate me.

It is really fruitless to try to remove the name Christian from them. Neither you nor I can truly answer whether they are. There is only one that can answer this if he/she/it exists and he/she/it will know his/her/it's own.

The best we can do is observe their deeds and declare whether we take their actions to be good or ill. I for one look on in horror at their actions and understand them to be Christian by their claim. But I do not take them to be representitive of all Christians nor do I believe they are good representitives of Christianity. They are simply representitive of their own particular model of Christianity.

[AirmensMom]

30. It's actually very simple.

Follow the words of Christ in the four gospels. He does not advocate war.

Jesus says in Matthew 7:16, "Ye shall know them by their fruits." IMO, they are not representative of any model of Christianity.

[Tim4319]

32. Yes, that pretty much sums it up!