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Lisa0825 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-13-05 11:42 AM
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The Rise of the Christian Fascist
A lady I know accidentally sent out her daily religious lessons to her entire list instead of her religion list, so I accidentally started receiving them. I kept my mouth shut and just politely asked her to remove me. Well, before she had the chance, someone else who did not welcome her lessons responded by sending this to her whole list!!!:applause: :woohoo:

I emailed her to thank her :evilgrin:


http://laterbush.com/bushisfullofit/fascist.html

November 1st, 2004

Originally, this site detailed the Bush administration's deception on the reasons why we went to war with Iraq. That page is still here, if you want to check it out.

However, I've found that most Bush supporters don't care. They don't care if the Bush administration has violated international law. They don't care if the administration has made us more of a target for terrorism by pissing off more Arabs. Something else is at work with Bush supporters. I think I've found the key reason that Bush supporters are willing to look the other way to illegal/corrupt activities. They share a common bond with the Bush administration in Jesus.

We are seeing the rise of the Christian Fascist. This political force might become powerful enough to bring an end the current American government and all the freedoms we enjoy as Americans.

Don't ge me wrong, I'm not anti-Christian. Christianity is good. Christian Fascism is evil. When Christians turn to hate and violence and oppression of others, that is when Fascism takes over and it becomes evil. If you are a true Christian, you can tell by measuring the hate in your heart, you are not a Fascist. Relax. I am not talking about you. I'm talking about Christians who are willing to pick up arms to spread the word.

I have come to this conclusion from reading the responses from Bush supporters on this site's message board. A few common themes occur in almost every pro-Bush message. They will invoke religion, specifically Christianity/Jesus. They display an 'I don't care' attitude towards human rights, human suffering and Law. And an overwhelming feeling that war is good.

Increasingly I hear comments such as, "America is a Christian country", or, "Our country was founded as a Christian nation". (For the record, our government has never been Christian, although it might be in the future). Every time these words are uttered, American becomes weaker. America's strength comes from our diversity and our willingness to respect others who are not of the same race or religion. There are forces working against this willingness. Christian Fascism is one of them.

The stronger a country's domestic economy is, the higher the standard of living is. The stronger a county's personal freedoms are, the stronger the country's domestic economy. Contrast the economies of countries that have very restrictive personal freedoms such as North Korea to countries such as ours. China's economy is booming after giving its citizens more personal freedoms.

As Christian Fascists gain more control, they will systematically remove personal freedoms from Americans. You see this starting to happen already. The freedom of speech issues with FCC censorship. The invasion of privacy issues with the Patriot Act (which has never been used against a terrorist, but has been used against Americans). Medical research restrictions (such as stem-cell research). The detention of US citizens without due process of law. The blurring of church and state. The list goes on and on. I'm sure both sides know the drill here.

One issue that stands out to me is the Christian Fascist movement to ban flag burning. Burning the flag is a protected right that brave Americans have fought and died for. You can't burn the flag in places such as China, North Korea, Iran, Saudi Arabia, etc. Why do we want to align ourselves with such oppressive regimes? The fact that we have the freedom to burn the flag makes its symbolism that much greater. Having the freedom to burn the flag is what makes this country better than any other on Earth. Wanting to ban flag burning is indicative of the freedom restrictions that Christian Fascists will put in place if they gain more power. You should be very fearful of people that think taking away freedoms is patriotic. That is a road you don't want to travel down. Don't even want to see it on the map.

As more and more personal freedoms are taken away, our economy and way of life will suffer. As Christian Fascists strive to make a white, Christian nation, they will destroy the foundations of this country. Those foundations being based on personal freedoms and not a religious state such as Iran.

What frightens me more than the Christian Fascists destruction of personal freedoms is their propensity towards violence in the name of Jesus. This is the most perverse form of Christianity that I've ever seen. Jesus was a lover, not a hater. However, you see many followers of Jesus filled with hate for others. Hate for abortionists. Hate for homosexuals. Hate for terrorists. Hate for 'liberals'. They are filled with hate. Their entertainment is filled with hate and violence. Christian Fascists are not Christian. All of you true Christians know this. I think it can be summed up with 'Who would Jesus bomb?'.

Their violence and destruction of personal freedoms are fueled by a black-and-white view of the world. They see no gray. You are either on their side, or you're not. You're either one of them, or you're not. Things are either good, or they are evil. This is a recipe for disaster. Take terrorism for instance. The Christian Fascists just know they hate Islamic terrorists and will hunt them down and kill them. That's about as far as they think about it. Me Christian, Terrorist Not: Kill. If you are based in reality, you know that you must think it through a few more levels. You need to ask questions such as 'Why do they want to be terrorists?', 'What forces in their lives make them so desperate to kill others?', etc. To stop terrorism, you need to stop people from wanting to become terrorists. That is the only solution. Blindly kill them just makes more of them.

When you hear everyone telling you, "This is the most important election of your lifetime.", what they are really saying is that this election is a vote on Christian Fascism. There are seeds here for an American civil war. The Christian Fascists are drawing the line. Know which side you are on. In their black-and-white view, you either are with them or you're not.

The Christian Fascists are working towards a totalitarian Christian nation where all dissenting views are oppressed. These forces are already in play. Most of them would shut down the 'liberal' media, not hold elections, put religious symbols everywhere and squelch all dissenting opinions if they could. What is scary, is that they don't understand how this is un-American. In their twisted world, these actions have become Patriotic.

They don't understand that the protection of American freedoms means protecting things you don't agree with. The true test of someone who claims to believe in Freedom of Speech is whether they tolerate speech which they disagree with, or even find disgusting. Christian Fascists completely miss the point here.

If you support an America where we, as American citizens, strive to treat others as we want to be treated, show respect for all races and religions, do not cast your vote for Bush.

Love your neighbor as yourself. Even if they are a faggot, nigger, kike, beaner, dyke, liberal or whatever you clean shaven, hair spayed parted haired, shirt tucked in, SUV driving, flag waving, rapture loving, sexually repressed, pro-death, war loving, republican Christian Fascists call them.

I pray to God that you, the reader, can understand what direction Bush has taken this country. It is one that has divisiveness, pain and blood in its future (the sick thing is, the Christian Fascists want this). I don't have too much hope. Most Americans are hollowed out shells of souls that spend 90% of their free time in front of the TV being told what to think and what to spend 99% of their disposable income on. No shit, the average savings rate in this country is around 1% of disposable income. The majority of people that will read this are slaves, yet they will argue they have free will by parroting words that they were given through the TV. It's depressing to watch.

By the way, if you are a Republican that does not have Identity with the Fascist movement, look around you and re-evaluate why you are a Republican. Your party is being taken over.

benjamin_paine@yahoo.com



About myself: I've received quite a few emails and posts on the message board from people that accuse me of being a 'COMMIE!' or left-wing. This is far from the truth.

I am a high net-worth individual that is able to qualify as an individual investor in the Carlyle Group if I chose to do so. I stand to lose hundreds of thousands of dollars per year in Bush tax cuts if Kerry is elected. I seem to be one of the few that can put aside personal greed for a better American future. And no, it isn't from inheritance, I made it the hard way.

I am a free market capitalist to the bone. I am an economic conservative, but adhere to anti-trust and anti-monopolistic policies such as those from Teddy Roosevelt.

I am for less government, less government spending, less government legislation, less government interference in personal affairs. I support and protect the 1st, 2nd and 4th amendments. I believe in strict separation of church and state. I am not anti-religion. I understand, like our founding fathers did, that theocracy has no place in a civil government structure. Sounds like I am a Republican. I am. A Republican of a past era. The Republicans of today hold very few of my values.

I changed my party affiliation to Democratic so that I could vote in my state's Democratic primary this year. I have no intention of ever calling myself a Republican until the party rids itself of the growing Christian Fascist movement within it.

And for those that email me and tell me how glad they will be when they 'disappear off the face of the Earth' when Jesus comes for them and how I'll be sorry: I've got a deal for you. I'll give you 15% of whatever your current assets are worth. In cash, today. The catch is that we both enter into a contract that states I take possession of your assets at the time of your disappearance and/or death. Deal?



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TallahasseeGrannie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-13-05 11:52 AM
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1. Fascinating read
I am struck by how many times I have heard this argument, but with "Muslim" inserted instead of "Christian."

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TNOE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-13-05 11:53 AM
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2. Wow, great post!
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Lisa0825 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-13-05 12:03 PM
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3. Thanks to both of you:-)
I htought it was a great read too, and I love that it got sent out to a huge fundie email list!:evilgrin:

There is some other good reading at that main site too.
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bumblebee1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-13-05 12:08 PM
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4. I enjoyed reading it.
You were definitely hitting all targets on that one, Lisa 0825.
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reprehensor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-13-05 12:11 PM
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5. Christianoids: Fascism and America Today
Fascism and America Today

Most Neo-Christians in this post-Christian era are Christianoids who use the pulpits of various disguised branches of old Calvinism to promote an elitism that they hope will eventually replace democracy with a plutocratic oligarchy of the rich and Christianoid leadership. Their mission statement is a mixed blend of early Gnosticism, the anti-Gnostic Medieval Church, anti-Catholic Puritan ideology, anti-Luther/Calvinist Counter-Reformation, and a fascist view of the state as the ultimate expression of Christian faith. Rarely do we find among them devotion to the real teachings of Christ beyond the most superficial lip service. The Christian Coalition resembles Christianity as much as the Spanish Inquisition represented Christ's love and compassion.

Aware of the power of religious faith, Mussolini made his first act "The Lateran Pacts," an historical agreement between the Church and the Italian fascist government which secured the Vatican State and perpetuated medieval pre-scientific concepts of unquestioning obedience to the party elite and Church authority. These Pacts caused the destruction of constitutional government for nearly three decades until thousand of Allied soldiers lost their lives to rid the world of fascism and its German brand nazism.

As Alvin Toffler noted in "Future Shock", a "reversion to pre-scientific attitudes is accompanied, not surprisingly, by a tremendous wave of nostalgia." Right wing Republican campaign rhetoric suggests turning the clock back to an idealized version of 1950 America, forgetting that after half a century the world has irrevocably changed -- partially due to technological advances and progress on human rights.

At the Nuremberg Rally in 1934, Hitler said that "only brainless dwarfs" would fail to see that Germany had been the "bulwark against the Communist floods, which would have drowned Europe and its culture." He told his followers there that he had saved Germany from chaos caused by "Jewish intellectualism." Pat Robertson's Christianoid book, The New World Order, reading like a pamphlet from the John Birch Society, uses old Jew-hating references when touching on apocryphal Illuminati and Freemason conspiracies. His broadcasts are a stream of veiled insinuations about conspiracies.
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formerrepuke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-13-05 12:19 PM
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6. I just finished reading 'The Handmaid's Tale'... takes place in the USA
of the 'near future'.. run by a government that can only be described as Christo-fascist. For a book written 20 years ago- it describes an America stuck in a fictional worst-case scenario, one that had its genesis in a devastating terrorist attack- one carried out by 'Muslims'. Margaret Atwood must have had a crystal ball on her desk when she was writing this.. It doesn't sound like complete fantasy anymore...
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Lisa0825 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-13-05 12:44 PM
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10. That's one book I need to make time for....
I have so many books I want to read, and so little time.
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grace0418 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-13-05 04:01 PM
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29. There's a movie version which is not too bad. Although reading the
book is worth the time. It's harrowing and sounds more and more plausible every day.
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Lisa0825 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-13-05 04:08 PM
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32. It's on my to-do list.
But I will be starting graduate school in the spring, so I better get it to-done soon! Maybe I'll take it with me on vacation!
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Pacifist Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-13-05 04:43 PM
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34. Her articles since then are chilling as well.
Sometimes I wonder if she time-travelled from the future.

Not really, but she's incredibly perceptive.
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BurgherHoldtheLies Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-13-05 12:28 PM
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7. Nominated. And you are not alone on the putting aside personal greed
Nor are you alone on Republicans who changed party affiliations (some to Dem, Independent or Libertarian) because there is NOTHING left in the current Republican party except Bible-thumping war-mongerers.
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Lisa0825 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-13-05 12:30 PM
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8. I can't take credit for it.... just passing it along...
but I have felt for a long time that old-time Republicans don't belong in the modern day party anymore.
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pdx_prog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-13-05 12:30 PM
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9. Like a voice of reason amidst chaos....
thanks for posting...
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400Years Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-13-05 12:45 PM
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11. was there any fallout, did anybody respond?

I wonder what that woman thought after she was called out?
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TNOE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-13-05 12:47 PM
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12. Yeah - me too!
I was wondering the same

Welcome to DU :hi:
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Lisa0825 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-13-05 12:48 PM
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13. Several people responded,
the first sent this:

Please do not send me anything. I do not appreciate this sort of propaganda. I respect that you have your own opinion but I am informed and do not need this. Also, please respect that this is a daily email that many people look forward to and it isnt a place for you spread your ideas.

and several others replied to support that reply. Remember, this was a fundie list. I doubt any of themkept reading after they realized what it was. But I am glad she sent it, or I would not have read it myself!
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fudge stripe cookays Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-13-05 01:07 PM
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18. Informed, my ass!
Try opening you eyes, you ignorant twit.

GOD these people piss me off.
FSC
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Pacifist Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-13-05 04:42 PM
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33. LOL! I agree. "informed" isn't the word.
I'm thinking more along the lines of "I'm comfortable and don't want to be disturbed."
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newyawker99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-13-05 04:08 PM
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31. Hi 400 Years!!
Welcome to DU!! :toast:
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sonias Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-13-05 12:52 PM
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14. I believe in strict separation of church and state
We need more republicans on their side standing up for that. That's at least one area of common ground we can agree on.

Oh and I want in on the deal to recover their assets when the fundies disappear in "rapture".

Sonia
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Lisa0825 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-13-05 12:57 PM
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15. Yes, that's a good one, eh?LOL!
I gotta get me one of those "when the rapture comes, can I have your car?" bumper stickers too!

I loved reading this article because it is difficult to find Republicans who will admit what this guy is saying is true. I don't understand their steadfast loyalty to a party that has basically betrayed them. :shrug:
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dretceterini Donating Member (329 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-13-05 01:03 PM
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17. Obviously, most of these so called Christians can't read
They just blindly follow what the "church" tells them. TRUE Christianity has NOTHING to do with the agenda of the church.
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Lisa0825 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-13-05 03:41 PM
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27. "TRUE Christianity has NOTHING to do with the agenda of the church"
A got a big AMEN for you on that one!!! :applause:
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jokerman93 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-13-05 03:37 PM
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26. the key to the deal
The key to deal isn't that you'd collect all assets at the occurrence of their delusional rapture event, but at the event of their real and inevitable death.

It's a sure thing! I guess that's obvious though. :-)
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Neil Lisst Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-13-05 01:01 PM
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16. I've been there, done that!
Edited on Thu Oct-13-05 01:01 PM by Neil Lisst
Last year I got an email sent to 100 others that included my email address, probably accidently, asking that we pray for Bush in his war leadership.

I sent back my response - to everyone on the mailing list - asking them to pray for the innocent people Bush was killing in violation of the Old and New Testaments, and calling for all to repudiate him as acting inconsistent with the teachings of Jesus.

And then ...



... it got ugly.



http://www.webcomicsnation.com/neillisst/
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Lisa0825 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-13-05 01:07 PM
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19. YOWZA!!!
Good for you!!!

:applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause:
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Neil Lisst Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-13-05 04:00 PM
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28. I'm going to HELL! Who's comin' with me?!!
To quote a famous American man of poetry.


http://www.webcomicsnation.com/neillisst
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Lisa0825 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-13-05 04:02 PM
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30. LOL!
Since I don't believe in Hell, I'll join you on the road to nowhere! :evilgrin:
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Pacifist Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-13-05 04:45 PM
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36. I would if I believed in hell.
Fotunately for all of us, I don't.
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glitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-13-05 01:51 PM
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22. LOL!
Looks like you can take it. :)
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Pacifist Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-13-05 04:44 PM
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35. LOL! Me too. Astounding how quickly it gets ugly, isn't it?
Well, maybe not.
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WolverineDG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-13-05 01:27 PM
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20. kick & rec!
:thumbsup:

:hi: lisa!!!

dg
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Lisa0825 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-13-05 01:42 PM
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21. Thanks!
:hi: back atcha!
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texpatriot2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-13-05 02:03 PM
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23. Great read. Thanks for sharing.n.t
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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-13-05 02:43 PM
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24. Kicked and Rec'd n/t
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-13-05 03:19 PM
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25. K & R! Great read! Thanks! nt
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DarkTirade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-13-05 06:48 PM
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37. And that's 90% of the reason that I vote dem...
It's not so much that I agree with democratic principles, it's that until the religious right is no longer in control of the republican party, I cannot in good conscience do anything that would help them win a single seat in the government.
The other 10% of my reason for voting dem is that I agree with them on most other stuff. :)
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Mythsaje Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-13-05 06:52 PM
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38. And people wonder
why I don't like so many so-called "Christians."

Because they're not. They don't follow Christ at all. They follow false prophets, as they were specifically warned NOT to do, and ignore Christ's teachings.

I have no problem with real Christians. I know a few. Good people.

The rest of the religious rabble? To hell with them.
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BamaBecky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-14-05 04:38 AM
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39. Excellent>>>>>Just Excellent!..n/t
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Dont_Bogart_the_Pretzel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-14-05 06:31 AM
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40. Excellent !!
Edited on Fri Oct-14-05 06:39 AM by Dont_Bogart_the_Pret
:thumbsup: :thumbsup:
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Lisa0825 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-14-05 08:04 AM
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42. I LOVE YOUR USERNAME!!!!
And a slightly belated Welcome to DU! :yourock:
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Dont_Bogart_the_Pretzel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-14-05 09:05 AM
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44. Why thank you!
:)
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-14-05 06:37 AM
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41. Here ya go:
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Lisa0825 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-14-05 08:06 AM
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43. The lady who sent it to me replied to my email...
She thanked me for sending her to DU and said she joined. Hopefully she'll pop into this topic and take the credit she is due!:-)
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AllegroRondo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-14-05 09:32 AM
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45. "To stop terrorism,
you need to stop people from wanting to become terrorists."

best line I've heard in weeks. Thanks.
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Amonester Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-14-05 11:37 AM
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46. Same here:
"If you are based in reality, you know that you must think it through a few more levels. You need to ask questions such as 'Why do they want to be terrorists?', 'What forces in their lives make them so desperate to kill others?', etc."

And:

"To stop terrorism, you need to stop people from wanting to become terrorists. That is the only solution. Blindly kill them just makes more of them."




So true.

A Few Solutions?

-Stop supporting GREEDY oppressive regimes like the Saudi Oil-igarch$?? (for a start).

-PROPERLY planned & monitored public investments in R&D for alternative energies (there's a "new" Ecology-friendly emerging Economy in these "ways").

-Block "selfish lobbyists influence" from looting the taxpayers' cc by instoring new rules for political parties' funds (proportional public funds instead of corpo-greed "oriented" policies).

-Foreign policy based on "Inteligent" CONTAINMENT, proper security measures at ALL "entry" points and a "new" willingness to SHARE the wealth rather than to STEAL IT AWAY from the workers AND the "excluded" (<- EDUCATIONAL TRAININGS the "self-paced way" but properly, and HUMANELY supervised).

-Many others (CORRECTLY HAND-COUNTED VOTES & PUBLIC HEALTH-CARE)...

All Can Be Done But First: the actual criminals must be STOPPED (and imprisoned for their crimes & for a clear example of CORRECT Justice for ALL).
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appleannie1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-14-05 03:34 PM
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47. What I found most interesting
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about the above is the fact that GWB recently turned over letters between himself and Harriet in a effort to prove she was Supreme Court material. One of those letters has a PS that says
"No more public scatology" Since scatology is the use of obscene material or the study of feces to determine diet, it is doubtful that is the word he meant. But given his propensity for misuse of the English language, it is far more likely he meant "No more public eschatology". That means 1 a branch of theology concerned with the final events in the history of the world or a belief concerning death, the end of the world or the ultimate destiny of mankind :any of various Christian doctines concerning the Second Coming, the resurrection of the dead or the Last Judgement. Could it possibly be that he thinks he was chosen to start Armeggedon? I do not think this is as farfetched as it sounds. Take these things into account. Revelation tells us that the last Battle will be in the Middle East. Iraq is the land believed to be where civilzation started and where the Garden of Eden was located. Could that possibly be the reason lies were told to start a war there? Was that the reason it was so darn important?
So now the war has begun. The Bible tells us that the red hoards of the east will get involved. Could that mean literally or financially? We are borrowing over a billion dollars a day from China and Japan in order to finance the war. How are we going to pay all that money back? Could it be that we never intend to pay it back, making them angry enough at us that they will get involved? And do not forget that Russia and China are now playing war games together.
Now comes global warming into play. The Bible tells us that in the end times there will be earthquakes, floods, storms etc. Scientists say that the melting of the ice caps will not only cause huge storms from warmer ocean water, the lessoning of the weight of the ice will cause the earth's plates to move faster and easier. That would cause more and larger earthquakes. (remember the cause of he sunami) They also say that it could cause non active volcanoes to become more active. (3 in Alaska have started rumbling to life) Could that be why we not only are not going along with the rest of the world in trying to stop the pollution that is causing them to melt, we are lessoning the laws on pollution in order to create more?
And as for plagues. Why did we not have enough flu shots available last year? Why have we not produced more tamiflu in case the Avian Flu starts breaking out here? Why, when we have known the dangers of that flu, have we not even tried to find a vaccine for it?
Please tell me I am a nut. I hate to even think any of the above is a possibility, no matter how remote. I would hate to think that a cult leader more dangerous than Jim Jones, the nut with the group committing suicide to go live on a comet, the nut that led Mormons into sacrificing an entire family in Ashtabula Ohio because he had them believing that Joseph Smith spoke to him and wanted that done, is the president of this country. But then he proudly claims he speaks to God and God tells him what to do.
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