Democratic Underground Latest Greatest Lobby Journals Search Options Help Login
Google

Film examines 9/11 Jewish conspiracy theories

Printer-friendly format Printer-friendly format
Printer-friendly format Email this thread to a friend
Printer-friendly format Bookmark this thread
This topic is archived.
Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion (Through 2005) Donate to DU
 
Behind the Aegis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-13-05 01:51 AM
Original message
Film examines 9/11 Jewish conspiracy theories
In the weeks and months after 9/11, Jews in the US, Europe and even in Israel confronted a series of disturbing questions and assertions concerning an alleged Jewish conspiracy to destroy the World Trade Center.

For American-Jewish filmmaker Mark Levin, the director of the soon-to-be released documentary The Protocols of Zion, inspiration for his latest film came after an encounter he had in a New York City taxi soon after 9/11. His driver, an Egyptian immigrant, made the claim that the Jews had been warned not to go to work at the World Trade Center on the day of the attack. The driver then said that "it's all written in the book," referring to The Protocols of the Elders of Zion, a notorious forgery created 100 years ago that purported to be the Jews' master plan to rule the world.

As Levin discovered in the course of filming, this notorious conspiracy text has been enjoying a widespread revival in the aftermath of 9/11.

Mixing archival materials and interviews with militant African-Americans, white supremacists and Palestinian-Americans among others, Levin exposes both the history and the current resurgence of the fabrication and distribution of the Protocols of the Elders of Zion.

The story continues...

Oh to be a fly on the wall at the "Q&A" session!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
nofurylike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-13-05 02:47 AM
Response to Original message
1. this is good to hear about. thank you for posting it, Behind the Aegis. nt
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-13-05 02:55 AM
Response to Original message
2. Good
I hate to say it, but this is not new, just a new form
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Behind the Aegis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-13-05 02:57 AM
Response to Reply #2
3. You are exactly right! n/t.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Colorado Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-13-05 03:13 AM
Response to Original message
4. Thank you for posting this. One of the most disturbing side
effects of 9/11, apart from the horror of that terrible day, has been the resurgence of bigotry against Jews, the likes of which I thought I'd never live to see in America. It's always been there, subliminal - but not like this, not taking the almost medieval form of blood libel and "Elders of Zion" type plotlines. Certainly one would NEVER have expected to see it in the world of the liberal, or among people who consider themselves to be politically progressive.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-13-05 05:16 AM
Response to Original message
5. Does the film reference the fact that Likud and the neocons have created
a very real environment of widening war, hatred, and suspicion about the motives of present-day Israel and its backers in the United States?

If Levin omits that very relevant fact, then his film is likely intended to obscure rather than clarify the causes of anti-semitism today.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Behind the Aegis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-13-05 10:36 AM
Response to Reply #5
8. Tea in China
What does the right-wing governments of the US and Israel have to do with the "Jewish conspiracy?" Are you saying people hate Jews because of Israel? Are you conflating being Jewish with the state of Israel? Notice the film is about a "Jewish" conspiracy, not an "Israeli" conspiracy.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-13-05 11:07 AM
Response to Reply #8
12. Well, the confusion is an understandable one.
I know the difference. So, do you. But, the same can't be said for millions of people out there who have no conception of the deep cross-cuts among Jews, both within and without Israel.

By the way, those of us who are opposed to the far-Right have a special obligation to remove them from power, even at great cost to ourselves. That's a duty we have to ourselves and to the world. Tshuva. Repentance. Metanoia.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
reprehensor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-13-05 05:58 AM
Response to Original message
6. Comic book legend Will Eisner's last comic is about the Protocols...
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
lateo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-13-05 06:30 AM
Response to Original message
7. The "White Van"....
From the review that little bit of 9/11 trivia seems to be missing.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Behind the Aegis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-13-05 10:40 AM
Response to Reply #7
9. The "white van?"
What does that have to do with anything? Because it is not in the "review," doesn't mean it's not in the film, which I have not seen. However, if I am thinking what you are thinking about (the photographers on the roof in Jersey, is that it?), then they were Israeli. The film is about the "Jewish" conspiracy, not the "Israeli" conspiracy.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
barb162 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-13-05 10:44 AM
Response to Original message
10. I clearly remember hearing about this crackpot story on MSM
about the Jews not going to work at the WTC that day. I remember thinking how stupid it was then that some people actually believed Jews knew beforehand of this horrible tragedy.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
laruemtt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-13-05 11:21 AM
Response to Reply #10
13. yeah, that is such a crock. all they have to do
is read through the names of victims in the towers and see all the obviously Jewish names. or is that too much reality............
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
barb162 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-13-05 01:25 PM
Response to Reply #13
15. Yes, reading through the names of those slaughtered that day
would show the lie
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-13-05 01:43 PM
Response to Reply #10
17. Not entirely crackpot. The FBI investigated several companies
with ties to Israel whose employees exhibited suspicious behavior either immediately before or after the 9/11 attacks.

However, one should bear in mind that Israel also issued a number of warnings to the Bush Administration, and that there are credible reports that knowledge of an impending attack was also widespread within New York's Pakistani community.

This from the Timeline at Cooperative Research: cooperativeresearch.org/timeline_pf. jsp?timeline=complete_911_timeline&theme=israel


August 23, 2001


According to German newspapers, the Mossad gives the CIA a list of terrorists living in the US and say that they appear to be planning to carry out an attack in the near future. It is unknown if these are the 19 9/11 hijackers or if the number is a coincidence. However, four names on the list are known and are names of the 9/11 hijackers: Nawaf Alhazmi, Khalid Almihdhar, Marwan Alshehhi, and Mohamed Atta. The Mossad appears to have learned about this through its “art student” spy ring (see for instance, March 5, 2002). Yet apparently this warning and list are not treated as particularly urgent by the CIA and also not passed on to the FBI. It's not clear if this warning influenced the adding of Alhazmi and Almihdhar to a terrorism watch list on this same day, and if so, why only those two. Israel has denied that there were any Mossad agents in the US. The US has denied knowing about Atta before 9/11, despite other media reports to the contrary (see January-May 2000).



September 4, 2001 (D)


Zim-American Israeli Shipping Co. moves their North American headquarters from the 16th floor of the WTC to Norfolk, Virginia, one week before the 9/11 attacks. The Israeli government owns 49 percent of the company. Zim announced the move and its date six months earlier. More than 200 workers had just been moved out; about 10 are still in the building making final moving arrangements on 9/11, but escape alive. The move leaves only one Israeli company, ClearForest, with 18 employees, in the WTC on 9/11. The four or five employees in the building at the time manage to escape. One year later, a Zim ship is impounded attempting to ship Israeli military equipment to Iran; it is speculated that this is done with the knowledge of Israel.





September 11, 2001 (W)


The white van used by five Israeli agents as they were leaving New York on 9/11.
Five Israelis are arrested for “puzzling behavior” related to the WTC attacks.They are arrested around 4:30 P.M. after having filmed the burning WTC from the roof of their company's building near Liberty State Park, then shouting in what was interpreted as cries of joy and mockery. They were spotted by a neighbor who called the police and the FBI. The police tracked them down in a van with the words “Urban Moving Systems” written on the side. One man was found with $4,700 in cash hidden in his sock, another had two passports on him, and a box cutter was found in the van. Investigators say that “There are maps of the city in the car with certain places highlighted… It looked like they're hooked in with this. It looked like they knew what was going to happen.” One of these Israelis later says, “Our purpose was to document the event.” The FBI later concludes at least two are Mossad agents and that all were on a Mossad surveillance mission. The FBI interrogates them for weeks. They are held on immigration violation charges and released 71 days later. Their names are later identified as Sivan and Paul Kurzberg, Oded Ellner, Omer Marmari, and Yaron Shmuel.

SNIP

September 11 , 2001 (X)


An FAA memo written on the evening of 9/11 suggests a man on Flight 11 was shot and killed by a gun before the plane crashed into the WTC. The “Executive Summary,” based on information relayed by a flight attendant to the American Airlines Operation Center, stated “that a passenger located in seat 10B shot and killed a passenger in seat 9B at 9:20 A.M”. The passenger killed was Daniel Lewin, shot by passenger Satam Al Suqami. The FAA claims that the document is a “first draft” and declines to release the final draft, calling it “protected information.” A report in Israeli newspaper Ha'aretz on September 17 identifies Lewin as a former member of the Israel Defense Force Sayeret Matkal, Israel's most successful special-operations unit . Sayeret Matkal is a deep-penetration unit that has been involved in assassinations, the theft of foreign signals-intelligence materials, and the theft and destruction of foreign nuclear weaponry. Sayeret Matkal is best known for the 1976 rescue of 106 passengers at Entebbe Airport in Uganda. Officials later deny the gun story and suggest that Lewin was probably stabbed to death instead (which would still be very interesting). Note that Lewin founded Akamai, a successful computer company, and his connections to Sayeret Mat'kal remained hidden until the gun story came to light.



September 11, 2001 (C)


Odigo's logo.
Two employees of Odigo, Inc., in Israel, receive warnings of an imminent attack in New York City around two hours before the first plane hits the WTC. Odigo, one of the world's largest instant messaging companies, has its headquarters two blocks from the WTC. The Odigo Research and Development offices where the warnings were received are located in Herzliyya, a suburb of Tel Aviv. Israeli security and the FBI were notified immediately after the 9/11 attacks began. The two employees claim not to know who sent the warnings. “Odigo service includes a feature called People Finder that allows users to seek out and contact others based on certain interests or demographics. Diamandis said it was possible that the attack warning was broadcast to other Odigo members, but the company has not received reports of other recipients of the message.” FTW Odigo claims the warning did not specifically mention the WTC, but the company won't say what was specified, claiming, “Providing more details would only lead to more conjecture.” Odigo gave the FBI the internet address of the message's sender so the name of the sender could be found. Two months later it is reported that the FBI is still investigating the matter, but there have been no reports since.





September 14, 2001 (K)


Dominick Suter, owner of the company Urban Moving Systems, flees the country to Israel. The FBI later tells ABC News that “Urban Moving may have been providing cover for an Israeli intelligence operation.” Suter has been tied to the five Israeli agents caught filming the WTC attack. The FBI had questioned him around September 12, removing boxes of documents and a dozen computer hard drives. But when they returned a few days later, Suter is gone (see September 11, 2001 (W)).



Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
AntiCoup2K4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-13-05 10:54 AM
Response to Original message
11. Is this the same "Mark Levin" who frequently appears on FAUX News??
The bozo who Hannity calls "the great one"?? Because that asshole is a big time PNAC propagandist and I wouldn't believe a damn thing he says.

And I don't believe anything in the Perle-Likud Post for the same reason.

For the record, I don't blame "the Jews" for 9-11. But PNAC was definitely involved, as their agenda demanded such an event, and Mossad was fully capable. I am neither anti-semitic nor a white supremacist. Nor do I believe that 99.999995% of American Jews would ever excuse such a vile plot, and would probably like to see the PNAC'ers hang for treason as much as I would.

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
porphyrian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-13-05 11:24 AM
Response to Original message
14. It's Yom Kippur, so the Jews did it!
No hate crimes here, nope. Blame them while they're away from their computers.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
walldude Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-13-05 01:31 PM
Response to Reply #14
16. We're not all away from our computers
Edited on Thu Oct-13-05 01:31 PM by walldude
And this is so ridiculous that it's almost not worth commenting on. Yes every Jew in America has a secret "Jew Hotline" where we all get daily reports concerning the state of the "Jewish Conspiracy". :eyes: Gimme a fucking break.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
porphyrian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-13-05 01:48 PM
Response to Reply #16
18. And you have all the money and power...
...that why Jews are never oppressed.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
walldude Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-13-05 01:53 PM
Response to Reply #18
19. LOL.. yeah we are at the top of the food chain alright
It's a good thing too, my 20 year old Ford needed an alternator last night and without all that money and power I might have had to go to an auto parts store, buy one and replace it myself. Luckily I just picked up the "jew hotline" and they came and took my old car and brought me a new one. Thank god for the Jewish Conspiracy!!!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DU AdBot (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view 
this author's profile Click to add 
this author to your buddy list Click to add 
this author to your Ignore list Sun May 05th 2024, 02:45 PM
Response to Original message
Advertisements [?]
 Top

Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion (Through 2005) Donate to DU

Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.1 Copyright 1997-2002 DCScripts.com
Software has been extensively modified by the DU administrators


Important Notices: By participating on this discussion board, visitors agree to abide by the rules outlined on our Rules page. Messages posted on the Democratic Underground Discussion Forums are the opinions of the individuals who post them, and do not necessarily represent the opinions of Democratic Underground, LLC.

Home  |  Discussion Forums  |  Journals |  Store  |  Donate

About DU  |  Contact Us  |  Privacy Policy

Got a message for Democratic Underground? Click here to send us a message.

© 2001 - 2011 Democratic Underground, LLC