Who will be the biggest fish Fitzgerald indicts?

[Czolgosz]

Libby, Rove, Cheney? No one? Who?

[Neil Lisst]

1. Red Rover, Red Rover!!

Let it be Karl Rove please!! I don't think they can get Cheney. Who would give him up?

Gotta be Rove. Libby will, too


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[tinrobot]

2. I think he's gunning for Cheney

Might be why he's playing Rove against Libby (and Miller.) Trying to get one to rat on the other.

[FreedomAngel82]

11. I do think it's someone higher then Rove

Rove wouldn't be going in all that much; especially this last time.

[Mr_Spock]

3. Hopefully Rove

I can't think of a more deserving person than Rove.

[kster]

5. *

[DBoon]

9. I can...

Nixon was an "unindicted co-conspirator" after all.

It could happen again in my lifetime.

[Dr.Phool]

4. Charlie the Tuna

[Neil Lisst]

6. If it's Rove ....

If Rove gets indicted, I will spontaneously bust a nut.


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[Czolgosz]

7. Charlie the Tuna a/k/a Novak?

[Carolab]

8. Rove. He's the neocon "link".

Cheney is the energy/corporate link.

I want Rove.

Besides, the freeps think he's some kind of "genius".

[TahitiNut]

10. I'm hoping the ENTIRE W.H.I.G. is named ...

... either in indictments (at least 5) or as unindicted co-conspirators.

The REAL issue here is the fraud concocted for the Iraq invasion and occupation, and the latter cover-up. These are war criminals we're looking at.

[FreedomAngel82]

12. I hope so too

[jmatthan]

13. The White House telephone receptionist?

eom

[jokerman93]

14. entrenched cynicism tells me

It will probably be some fourth-tier sycophant or toady I've never heard of. Zzz...

Call me if it gets good. I'll bring beer.

:toast:
:beer:

citizen J

[tatertop]

15. I'm guessing Larry Bud Melman!

[Czolgosz]

31. I see the resemblance, too

[tatertop]

32. I think Rove is a fetal pig, same as Rush

[DrDoubleplusgood]

17. The guy spying for the Filipinos

Perhaps he's the little fish who has been set up to take the fall?

[newyawker99]

26. Hi DrDoubleplusgood!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

[DrDoubleplusgood]

38. HI newyawker99

Hey, thanks for the greeting. First nice one I've gotten. I wanted to post an intro thread in the lounge, but I'm not allowed a new thread of my own yet. Incidentally, I have a lefty buddy IRL who is originally from NYC-the Bronx, to be specific.

[beltanefauve]

22. Not this far in the game

and after Rove's four GJ appearances. This investigation and the probable indictments are going up the chain, not down.

[DrDoubleplusgood]

16. Why does everyone assume there will be indictments?

I know I'm a newbie, but this thread and one on Cia hiring O&G analysts have got me thinkin'. Why is everyone assuming there will actually be indictments, especially of actual big fish? Why the hell has it taken so long(a year and a half in pre-indictment stage)? I'm thinking this investigation. along with the indications of looming charges, is just one big long drawn our ruze to make us think that there are still some checks and balances, that BushCo is not above the law, to placate us-the righteously pissed. Anyone wanna prove me wrong? Nothing else has stuck to the cabal, why should Plamegate? they're teflon.

[LunaC]

18. "Somebody" revealed Plame's CIA status

Fitz didn't go to all this treouble for so long to just shrug his shoulders at the end and say "Never mind. Move along. Couldn't figure it out."

I think in the end, Cheney (among others) will have his head on the chopping block....Remember all those visits he made to the CIA to pressure analysts to "shape" the intelligence for the war? He also had illegal sales of WMD that he wanted kept secret and shutting down Plame's operation would accomplish that objective. That makes him the prime suspect in this scandal since he had the Means, Motive and Opportunity.

Cheney told Libby.
Libby told Rove and Miller.
Rove told Cooper and Novak.
Novak took the bait and wrote a column.
All hell breaks out.

Cheney accomplished his original goal but he never anticipated this kind of blow-back and scrutiny.

"Oh the tangled web we weave when we first practice to deceive."

[jmatthan]

25. Slight modification

Cheney told Bush and Libby.
Bush told Ari and Libby to tell Rove and Bolton.
Libby told Rove and Miller.
Ari told Bolton and Miller (Miller gets second source).
Rove told Cooper and Novak.
Novak took the bait and wrote a column.
All hell breaks out.

Any other speculations?

[cynatnite]

19. I for one am glad it's taking a long time...

I don't know if there will be indictments or not. I'm hoping, but not holding my breath. Call it cautious optimism with a chain.

It should take a long time to gather the evidence, make sure it's rock solid, cover all the bases with no allowing for wiggle room by those who are being targeted.

Fitz is doing his job and doing it well, IMO. He's keeping his cards close to the vest and not allowing for leaks. The man is a professional and I honestly don't believe he would have made the moves he's made for nothing.

[DrDoubleplusgood]

20. Hmm...

"The man is a professional and I honestly don't believe he would have made the moves he's made for nothing."

UNless he's one of THEM. Isn't Fitz a puke, anyway?

[NJCher]

21. Independent

Cher

[murielm99]

24. This is typical of his style of investigation.

Look at the Ryan investigation in Illinois. He is thorough, and he doesn't waste time on small fry. And he gets someone to turn. This is how he works.

There are pukes, and there are Republicans. If he is a Republican, as I have read, he is surely not a puke.

[beltanefauve]

23. It needs to be rock-solid

This investigation has gone on longer than the investigation of the Watergate break-in and cover-up. The worse thing that could happen after all this time and the subsequent indictments is a hung jury. I'm glad Fitz is being so thorough.

[Walt Starr]

27. Cheney will be the highest indicted.

Bush will be named an unindicted co-conspirator, but only after pleas directly from Patrick Fitzgerald to the pissed off Grand Jury not to indict him because most argue that a sitting president cannot be indicted and indicting him would trigger a constitutional crisis of monumental proportions which could bring the entire nation down.

[Tesibria]

28. Bush can't be indicted ... or won't be

take your pick - but the DOJ position is that a sitting president may not be indicted.

See http://www.usdoj.gov/olc/sitting_president.htm

[Walt Starr]

29. Yeah, and the guy who fired the special prosecutor during the Nixon era

wrote that opinion, Robert Bork.

It's not a court opinion and grand juries are not bound by it. The DOJ won't ask for an indictment against a sitting president, but that does not mean a grand jury cannot and will not deliver one.

Just because it's never happened does not mean it won't, and only a court can write a binding opinion on the matter.

[Samantha]

30. I have theorized Miller was protecting Cheney from the beginning

I will stick with that prediction. I think Fitzgerald will write a report that will incriminate Bush.* Some will call for his resignation.

As far as the literal indictments of other players, Rove and Libby at the least. Potentially, Mary Matlin, Karen Hughes, Andrew Card, Ari Fleischer, Condi Rice, Bolton and perhaps Colin Powell. I hope the latter if implicated has cooperated to the extent he will not be indicted. I hope the rest do jail time.

I guess it would be too good to be true that Perle, Wolfowitz and Rumsfeld would be "waved in" on a mere conspiracy charge, but I can dream, can't I?

And where is George Tenet in all this -- cooperating? It's difficult to believe that the eight pages of redacted text withheld for issues of national security do not involve issues with which Tenet would have intimate knowledge -- as well as Ashcroft and Gonzales.

Cooper will get his hands slapped; Miller will pay a penalty. We will hear the names of a couple of bigger well-known political commenators -- Tim Russert, Chris Matthews -- but I do not know in what vein. I think they have cooperated fully so ....

[goclark]

33. What about Novak?

Colin Powell should be indicted, IMO.

He knew exactly what was happening and allowed it to go on.

The NEOCONS could not have push their agenda without the cover of the so called "good guy" Colin.

I remember the Barbara Walters interview of Colin a few months ago. It sent chills up my spine. I was really disappointed.He is pompous and bragged that he had the President over to dinner. He was so proud of that achievement.

He is not sorry for anything he has done. He is sorry that the WMD lie did not fool the American people.

He is a good old boy tht is a bad old boy.

[Czolgosz]

34. Novak deserves an indictment as much as anyone

[Samantha]

37. I think Novak started talking as fast and furiously as possible

when he was first asked. This is just my own theory and not based on any fact. I think he has a deal in place, and it's been there almost from the inception of this investigation. I believe what he revealed assisted Fitzgerald into going down the path which has led us to the core of the conspiracy.

So, no, I do not believe Novak will be indicted. Just my guess.

[Neil Lisst]

39. Samantha, she may have been protecting herself

I think there are many reasons to suspect her role in this whole affair, as one of the original conspirators to out Plame to attack and undermine Wilson.

It appears she agreed to testify after Libby released her, but Libby did so cleverly, in such a way as to signal to her that he's not releasing her from the June discussions. Once the prosecutor had her on record lying about any prior discussions, he was in a position to cut a deal and make her spill her guts. She can hang the White House with conspiracy to obstruct and obstruction of justice.

I feel that has happened, the X factor that Team Bush cannot defend.

I think Bush, Cheney, and Condi will avoid indictment, but their aides will likely be indicted.

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[gorgan]

35. here's the problem

doesn't matter who gets indicted, bush'll just pardon 'em. Cf Pappy & the Iran/Contra investigation.

[bunny planet]

36. Jr. and Darth are both going down.

Color me optimistic.