Let's assume that bird flu becomes a worldwide pandemic...

[CoffeeCat]

I've seen many threads on bird flu, and I hope we can all continue to discuss this important topic.

For now--we're unclear if a pandemic will happen, or if nothing will happen--or possibly if this is all a bunch of hooey. There are many threads debating bird flu. However, can we use this thread to discuss preparedness--and how we can protect ourselves and be ready if bird flu does become a global pandemic?

So, how can we prepare ourselves before a pandemic happens? What supplies should we have on hand? Is there a chance that we could lose water and electricity? Are there other ways to prepare (having cash on hand, medicines, etc).

What are people supposed to do, during a pandemic? Are people supposed to stay at home--away from jobs and school? Should people assume that they should stay home and fight this flu?

If anyone would like to share ways in which they have prepared or are planning to prepare--that would be useful too.

[The Backlash Cometh]

1. Sounds like the key is vaccination.

I know the usual vaccinations are being given for the flu season, but are they the ones that protect against the bird flu?

[MarsThe Cat]

3. No, the flu shots DO NOT protect against the bird flu.

but it's still a god idea to get one.

[LiberalEsto]

5. Telecommute if possible.

Wash hands, carry antibacterial hand cleaner, wear face masks & gloves.

Keep yourself healthy & fit so that your immune system can more readily fight it off.

[skids]

6. Nope.

Vaccines won't be available in any appreciable quantity until well into the outbreak -- they can't make a vaccine for a virus which they don't have a sample yet, that being the mutation that would be human/human communicable. Though they do have things ramped up to produce it ASAP.

Preparing yourself would mean having large food/water supplies to act as a buffer to shortages caused by quaranteen, a financial plan (vacation time, savings, etc.) to limit your exposure by reducing your contact with other people and staying at home, health insurance, and facemasks.

I thing it's the ability to avoid contact, financially, that will be pretty impossible for most Americans, considering many of us have a hard time with just the health insurance part.

[ToolTex]

12. Skids, I think you may be wrong about being ramped up

to produce a vaccine. Hell, they can't even produce an adequate quantity of the regular annual flu vaccine yet. Bush says he wants more, but of course, refuses the needed funding.

[sam sarrha]

15. literally all the flu vaccine is outsourced.. will they give it up to us..

the Baby killers of Iraq..??

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[pitohui]

14. no of course not

flu vaccine is never more than a guess at what strain will be going around, quite often the vaccine given turns out to be for the wrong strain

a study came out maybe a yr or so ago, telling the reason flu deaths have gone down slightly is NOT because of vaccine (which don't work) but because we have better support for respiratory illness now

flu vaccine is a scam really

[jeff30997]

2. I don't care...

I'm not a bird.:P But seriously,it could become an epidemic faster than we think.Scary.

[MarsThe Cat]

4. 4 weeks worth of food, and good locks on the door.

we don't plan on leaving the house if it makes it here.

[sam sarrha]

16. larger caliber guns.. 12 gauge at least, inexpensive at pawn shops

need Buck shot 32cal, and some slugs, minimum.. if you are smaller and not really strong a 20gauge is perfect.. i can hold that in one hand and shoot it...

get a cheap reloader kit.. and a bag of shells, and a bag of 32cal shot..

[Dogmudgeon]

23. This isn't what they mean when they talk about a "Magic Bullet"

And if that many people are sick with Influenza A, they are not going to be causing much trouble.

--p!

[bluestateguy]

7. Canned foods

I'd have some water on hand, a good idea for a natural disaster anyway. Also, canned foods. Everytime I go to the grocery store now for my regular shopping I make it a point to buy one or two cans of food, which go into my pantry. I building up a stockpile.

You don't want to be in a grocery store during an outbreak of the bird flu. Not only is it going to be a panicky madhouse, but grocery stores carry a lot of germs. I have good reason to believe that I got the flu last year from the grocery store: all those germy kids running around, and those dirty shopping cart handles.

I live alone, and if need be, I can lock myself in my apartment for weeks at a time.

[Dogmudgeon]

8. Here's my list --

Access to Health Care (critical but unavailable to 40% of Americans)
Vaccination (highly effective)
Hygeine, e.g., handwashing (highly effective)
Proper diet, fluids, electrolytes (very effective)
Anti-viral meds (very effective)
Staying warm if poor or ill (effective)
Sleep (probably effective)
Limit personal contacts (moderately effective)
Alternative and Folk medicine (efficacy largely unknown; patient and/or practitioner must assess risk vs. benefit; do not use to replace standard treatment!)

In general, the "advice" I follow is to stay as healthy as possible otherwise. I had a VERY severe case of Influenza A (like the recent Bird Flus) in 1990 which could have easily killed me. Although I was zonked out of my mind and delerious much of the time, I had the sense to stay warm, eat and drink what I could during episodes in which my fever subsided, and avoid people.

On the other hand, it never occurred to me to call my physician.

There are almost never any situations in which people are truly helpless. Certainly there are enough options to overcome paranoia and despair.

If you want to learn more about preparing for a possible pandemic, there are a lot of resources that can be found by Google and through the .gov domains.

--p!

[Richard D]

10. Unfortunately . . .

Tamiflu does not seem to be very effective against the avian flu strain. Good for other flu's though.

[Mojorabbit]

27. This is not true

TORONTO (CP) - It appears a misunderstanding, not a mutation, is behind recent reports suggesting the H5N1 avian flu strain is developing resistance to the drug Tamiflu.

The professor of pharmacology from Hong Kong University quoted as warning of an emerging resistant strain of the virus says he was citing old data, not new evidence, when he gave an interview last week.

He was trying to urge GlaxoSmithKline to reintroduce an injectable form of their rival flu drug, Relenza. The resulting report suggested Tamiflu was becoming less useful - a claim that was widely repeated.

"My point is to emphasize on the introduction of injectable drugs. But they use a headline 'Resistant H5N1 appears in Vietnam,' " Dr. William Chui, who is also chief of the pharmacy service of Hong Kong's Queen Mary Hospital, said in an interview.
http://mediresource.sympatico.ca/health_news_detail.asp...

[Richard D]

28. that is some good news.

Thanks.

[SheilaT]

31. Vaccines are largely

ineffective.

of course, between the drum-beating by the mainstream media and the yearly panic here on DU, you might not realize that.

[lynne]

9. Read some of the websites regarding the 1918 Flu -

- Schools and public buildings were closed, families and areas quarantined. I would think the best thing would be to isolate yourself from the public as much as possible. Store food, water, etc. Yes, we could lose electricity, water, access to money or food if banks and stores close - anything that is controlled by man could go wonky if people are quarantined or are unable to work.

Might want to read Stephen King's "The Stand" where a majority of the population dies due to flu. It's fiction but will make you think about what could occur. My husband's grandmother died in the 1918 epidemic and they lived in a very rural area with few neighbors.

Hopefully science will be able to manufacture a vaccine before it gets too bad or the flu will mutate to a more manageable strain.

[sam sarrha]

20. Great Grand Mother said when it hit..EVERYBODY was sick.. the streets were

empty.. those that weren't sick were going door to door and breaking in to put food and water near the sick.. and moving on to the next house.. dehydration probably killed most of them.


she said they heard the flu was in NY then in FL then in Texas, she said she knew when it got to her town because the town was deserted...everybody was home sick.

there are some books about it.. in one the care givers said the worst part was when they got too sick to cough and they had to listen to dozens of patients drowning from the pneumonia. they set up tent cities to put the sick and there were just rows and rows of beds in each big tent.. The pResidetn Wet Brain Alcoholic Drug Addict wont even do that much..

Please click on the Blue link>> at the bottom of this page by my signature

[Dogmudgeon]

21. I don't think a "Total Pandemic" is possible

In The Stand, and other classics of extinction-by-pandemic like Earth Abides, close to the entire human race dies of the disease, usually in a short time.

In reality, it doesn't work that way with influenza. It has an incubation period during which the carrier turns into a biological flu delivery device, but as soon as the symptoms strike, they strike hard. The takes him/herself out of circulation; the patients usually go home and take to bed. Transmission rate declines sharply.

It would be one thing if the transmission rate was 100% -- in the week or two the carrier was infectious, the disease could theoretically be spread to everyone on the Earth. But transmission rates are actually pretty relatively low for most diseases, and there are lots of local environmental variables at work, too. So what we see are local outbreaks here-and-there, not a situation where everyone is suddenly ill, as in pandemic disaster fiction.

The Spanish Flu of 1918 eventually infected about 20% of the population of the world, and killed 3-5% of those. That's about 1% of the world's population dying from the flu. It was a tremendous tragedy, but it was no where like the kinds of pandemics written about in fiction. (Read the Wikipedia article here.) Premodern diseases, like the Bubonic Plague and the Plague of Thucydides killed off much larger proportions of people, but they weren't viral illnesses; rather, bacterial ones, carried by vermin.

Accounting for population growth, one percent of six billion people is a lot of death -- 60 million, a number which may accumulate in half a year's time. But fortunately, it keeps the 99% mortality rates in the province of fiction.

--p!

[NNN0LHI]

36. It would be a lot more smarter to read about the 1957 and 1969 pandemics

The medical advances since 1918 are unimaginable. And that goes for both treatment and preventive research and development. Comparing the 1918 situation with todays situation would be kind of like comparing a Ford Model-T to a new Porsche. They both got 4 wheels and a steering wheel but thats about where the similarities end.

Don

1918-1919 (Spanish Flu pandemic)------ 500,000 dead in US

1928----------------------------------------- Alexander Fleming Discovers Penicillin

1957-1958 (Asian Flu pandemic)--------- 60,000 dead in US

1968-1969 (Hong Kong Flu pandemic)--- 40,000 dead in US



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asian_Flu

Asian Flu - 1957-1958

The Asian Flu was a pandemic outbreak of influenza that originated in China in 1957 and spread worldwide that same year. The virus lasted until 1958.

The Asian Flu was the H2N2 strain (a notation that refers to the configuration of the hemagglutinin and neuraminidase proteins in the virus) of type A influenza, and a flu vaccine was developed in 1957 to contain its outbreak. Worldwide it is estimated that at least one million people died from this virus; in the United States the death toll was comparatively mild, numbering approximately 72,000 people.

The Asian Flu strain later evolved via antigenic shift into H3N2, the so-called Hong Kong Flu which caused a milder pandemic from 1968 to 1969.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hong_Kong_Flu

Hong Kong Flu - 1968-1969

The Hong Kong Flu was a pandemic outbreak of influenza that began in Hong Kong in 1968 and spread to the United States of America that year. The outbreak ended the following year, in 1969.

Although there was an outbreak of avian influenza in Hong Kong in early 1968, the Hong Kong flu was actually the A type of regular influenza, specifically the first known outbreak of the H3N2 strain (a notation that refers to the configuration of the hemagglutinin and neuraminidase proteins in the virus).

Because of its similarity to the 1957 Asian Flu (which was the H2N2 strain, differing from the Hong Kong flu only in the chemical arrangement of the hemagglutinin protein as a result of antigenic shift) and possibly the subsequent accumulation of related antibodies in the affected population, the Hong Kong flu resulted in much fewer casualties than most pandemics: it is estimated that only 750,000 people died of the virus worldwide (34,000 people in the United States) during the two years (1968-1969) that it was active. It was therefore the least lethal pandemic in the 20th century.

[femrap]

11. For those of you who live where Meijer's grocery stores are....

today is the last day of their canned vegetables sale....5 cans for a $1.00....I got over 30 cans yesterday of peas, green beans, corn...healthy stuff and filling. If I don't need it, I can donate to the food bank come spring.

Also powdered milk...for cereal and coffee. I have a battery operated TV...so if electricity is lost. Get batteries, flashlight, lots of candles. You can keep one room very warm just by lighting candles...place on the floor so heat rises.

Keep your fingers out of your mouth and your eyes!!!! And of course wash them often.

I went to Costco and got cans of turkey, tuna and corned beef. Dried fruits, canned fruits, juice, water, crackers. Get some good books to read!

I think w and the neocons are using this flu to SCARE us...the terra thing has worn off...so now the flu. But rather be better safe than sorry.

[pitohui]

13. do you remember SARS, do what you did then

if you were like 99 out of 100 ppl on this board, you prob. did nothing & you didn't die

i was screened since i was on a flight w. horrors a woman from canada who wouldn't stop coughing

i didn't die either

i guarantee that in the next 5 yrs you WILL get the flu, just as you prob. got the flu sometime in the last 5 yrs

when you're old, you will have a different outlook on things & realize that if the choice is death by flu or death by alzheimer's, we should be throwing flowers at the various flu viruses, you are going to die of something

[Silverhair]

17. That depends on a lot of variables.

One big variable is how contagious it is after it mutates to H-H form. That will determine how fast the flu spreads. A slower flu may be able to be managed. A very rapid flu will show up everywhere at once.

Another one is how bad this flu is after it mutates. That will determine how society reacts to it. If it is only a bit worse than regular flu, then things will go pretty much as normal. The more deadly it is, the greater society will react. If it is really deadly - society will panic and lose cohesion.

If it has the contagion and lethality of the 1918 flu, expect it to be active in your area for about three months before it burns itself out.

QUARANTINE WORKS !!! In 1918 some communities did not allow any outsiders in until the flu was over. It worked. The didn't lose anyone to the flu. If you can manage to avoid everyone for the time it is active in your area, you can survive. If you can't, do the next best things.

Minimize contact. Especially avoid crowds.

Face masks help. Kleenex makes a tissue that is three layered and the middle layer has a germ killer that is activated if moisture hits it. Wearing them under the face mask should help.

Keep hands clean. If you can't wash often, use antiseptic towelettes or a lotion such as Germ-X.

Stock up ahead on nonperishable food and medicines.

Don't forget self defense. If it is really bad society could disintegrate. Think of New Orleans on a global scale. That would be an extreme worse case scenario. Hopefully, when it mutates, it will also become less lethal.

Read John M Barry's book, "The Great Influenza".

[Spinzonner]

18. Make sure you had the right parents

[gr8frk1]

19. administering of medicine by medical facilities

Can anyone tell me if its against the law to administer a medicine to a patient in anyway other way then what was fda approved? As in dosage or how it is taken?

[Dogmudgeon]

22. It's legal

It's called "off-label prescribing", but it's legal and pretty common. A lot of discoveries and breakthroughs are made that way -- for instance, the first class of antidepressant drugs were discovered when tuberculosis patients perked up after being given a particular new drug.

--p!

[newyawker99]

26. Hi gr8frk1!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

[TalkingDog]

24. Don't forget the EARS

http://www.alternativehealth.com.au/Articles/cold_&_flu_cure.htm

This is a cure which I've used to GREAT effect:

• Hydrogen Peroxide

In 1928 Richard Simmons, M.D. hypothesized that colds and flu viruses enter through the ear canal. His findings were dismissed by the medical community. According to Dr. Simmons, contrary to what you may think or have been taught about how you catch the flu or a cold, there is only one way that you can catch them, and that's via the ear canal, not through the eyes, nose or mouth. Keeping your fingers out of your ears will greatly reduce your chances of catching the flu or a cold, but then again the bacteria and viruses are microscopic and can be air-born and may land in your ear. Once they have entered the inner ear (middle ear) they begin their breeding process and travel to other parts of the body with the infection. Dr. Simmons’ concept was to stop the process where it began.

In 1938 German researchers had great success using hydrogen peroxide in dealing with colds and the flu. Their data has been ignored (maybe suppressed) for over 60 years.

We have found remarkable results in curing the flu and cold within 12 to 14 hours by administering a few drops of 3% hydrogen peroxide (H2O2) into each infected ear, (sometimes only one ear is infected). The H2O2 starts working within 2 to 3 minutes in killing the flu or cold; there will be some bubbling and in some cases mild stinging occurs. Wait until the bubbling and stinging subside (usually just a few minutes), then drain the excess fluid onto a tissue and repeat the process in the other ear. It is easiest to lie on your side in bed while using this method, and a Q-tip or cotton ball work well to administer the H2O2. A bottle of hydrogen peroxide in 3% solution is available at any drug store for a couple of dollars.


Although this method is perfectly safe for infants and children to use, the loud bubbling and stinging may frighten them, so they'll need someone they trust to put the H2O2 in their ears (don't get H2O2 in the eyes- if you do, flush with water). Explain what will happen to them first so they will be prepared.

To cure the flu you'll need to repeat this process two or more times at one or two hours intervals until there is no more bubbling when putting the H2O2 in ear(s).

[Dogmudgeon]

40. Not so sure about H2O2 as a cure ...

My ear surgeon "turned me on" to H2O2 about 28 years ago. There is also a similar substance, sold with the trade name of "Debrox" and also available generically, called carbamide peroxide. Each are available over the counter.

I don't personally observe any reduction in colds or flu, but simply reducing the wax in the ears (which is what makes peroxide bubble) gives most people a lot of relief. The ear secretes a huge amount of wax during infections (and also listening to loud music). It could conceivably help a person fight the infection by helping them feel better and have more energy.

There is much anecdotal and pilot work that seems to confirm that peroxide has benefits in a lot of conditions. It's certainly safe to take in small doses like a couple of drops. Simmons' work was probably not ignored for any shady reasons, but because colds and flus are viruses, not bacteria. However, there are a lot of bacterial infections that can make one's life miserable. Modern scientists are also fond of backtracking to look for clues that were missed in earlier eras of scientific research. There's a lot of literature on the benefits of peroxide in those all-important Peer Reviewed journals, and much of it is less than 10 years old. It would be fantastic if it makes the progression from "anecdotal" to "confirmed".

If anyone else reading this wants to try it, the method TalkingDog gives is the "standard" one. We may not agree 100% on the cold and flu issue (it could be a matter of "your mileage may vary"), but the stuff is worth checking out as a cure or a palliative. Either way, it's easy to try and can only hurt you if you have a perforated ear drum -- and even with that, it will primarily be painful and not destructive. Just exercise the normal cautions of self-treatment.

--p!

[chat_noir]

25. Garlic: anti-viral and anti-biotic

In Garlic, allicin fights the flu. Garlic is packed with unique allicin and sulfur compounds, odoriferous chemicals released when garlic is crushed. Virtually all garlic's antibiotic and anti-viral activity against infectious diseases such as colds and the flu comes from allicin, says Larry D. Lawson, a leading garlic authority and a researcher at Nature's Way Products. Allicin is the main reason garlic tends to lower blood cholesterol and thin the blood, warding off blood clots, he says. Allicin and other garlic agents have anti-cancer activity.

You get the most allicin in raw crushed garlic. Add it to your diet by crushing a raw garlic clove and tossing it on top of pasta, salads and soups. Cooking destroys allicin but releases other agents, such as ajoene and adenosine, that act as anti-coagulants. Thus, raw and cooked garlic have different medicinal properties. Commercial garlic pills, except Kyolic brand, contain various amounts of allicin. A good low-cost source of allicin is plain garlic powder from the supermarket, says an analysis by the Center for Science in the Public Interest.

http://www.usaweekend.com/food/carper_archive/970207carper_eatsmart.html

So, how does garlic prevent and cure colds?

Garlic has both antiviral and immune-stimulating properties.
A daily garlic supplement contains allicin, a purified component of garlic. It is considered to be the major biologically active agent produced by the plant.

Allicin blocks key enzymes that aid bacteria and viruses in their effort to invade and damage tissues.

Allicin reduces the risk of catching a cold by more than half.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/guernsey/content/articles/2004/10/19/garlic_for_colds_feature.shtml



Others: Echinacea, elderberry extract, and astragalus

http://64.233.187.104/search?q=cache:-RC4z_LNvm4J:www.iwu.edu/~wellness/Healthwise/jan05/jan05+garlic+anti-viral&hl=en

[Mojorabbit]

29. Some links to answer your questions

How to care for someone at home with this type of flu
The Coming Influenza Pandemic
by Dr. Grattan Woodson, MD, Decatur GA. (24 pp pdf, 636 KB. 5 Oct 2005)
http://fluwikie.com/index.php?n=Consequences.PandemicPreparednessGuides
second link

Herbs for this type of flu.
http://www.med-owl.com/health/H5N1-Virus-Therapy.html
http://www.med-owl.com/herbal-antivirals/tiki-index.php?page=Topics+Page

Preparedness guide
http://fluwikie.com/index.php?n=Consequences.PersonalFamilyPreparedness

And a fictional account about how it might go written by someone in canada
http://fluwikie.com/index.php?n=Consequences.ImaginedScenarios

http://effectmeasure.blogspot.com/
To keep up to date on new devvelopments

[Mojorabbit]

30. Re Tamiflu

It is expensive but if your doc will give you a script for it you need twenty pills instead of the ten normally given. Studies on mice show that if you only take it for the five days there was a relapse. After eight days on the twice a day dose many mice recovered completely.

[SheilaT]

32. Okay, so let's assume

the bird flu becomes a world-wide pandemic. Just like the Swine Flu did. Just like SARS. Yeah, I remember oh so clearly the millions that died in those epidemics. It was tragic.

What? Neither one of those became a world-wide whatchamacallit? Huh? I could have sworn they were supposed to.

Look, the hysteria over bird flu is vastly overdone.

Here's something else to keep in mind. Simple hand-washing is the single most effective disease fighter known. Yep. Washing your hands. Regularly. Especially after using the toilet or before preparing or eating foods.

Guess how many people in this country had running water, and therefore washed their hands regularly about ninety years ago. You've got me there, because I don't know the exact numbers either, but it would have been significantly less than today.

And of course, while we all panic about this silly bird flu stuff, guess who gets confirmed to the Supreme Court, and guess what kind of bills get passed allowing the military to take over any time there's some kind of natural disaster.

[Beware the Beast Man]

33. Thank you.

:thumbsup:

It seems no cowinkydink to me that, with Bush's numbers in the toilet even among his supporters, with all the recent indictments and crappy SCOTUS nominees, etc etc; that all of the sudden we are plagued with headlines blasting either "TERRA!!!" or "SUPERFLU!!!"

Yes, it's good to be prepared during the flue season- it can be deadly for the elderly, the very young or those with weak immune systems. It just seems, though, that this "bid flu" thing has grown legs over the past several weeks, and I'm not totally buying it.

[LuCifer]

34. GimmeABreak!

Wasn't E COLI a few years ago supposed to kill us all?!

And approx. 15 years ago, here in FL at least, if you got even in the SAME ROOM as a mosquitoe, you were AS GOOD AS DEAD from St. Louis Encephilitis!

NEXT!

Lu

[buzzard]

35. However the 1918 pandemic occurred and another one could again it

seems to me it is just a matter of time, maybe in our lifetime maybe not.

[NNN0LHI]

37. 2 more pandemics have already occurred since then. Both in my lifetime

1918-1919 (Spanish Flu pandemic)------ 500,000 dead in US

1928----------------------------------------- Alexander Fleming Discovers Penicillin

1957-1958 (Asian Flu pandemic)--------- 60,000 dead in US

1968-1969 (Hong Kong Flu pandemic)--- 40,000 dead in US

[SheilaT]

38. Yeah, it occurred

but a lot of things are different now. Including better hygiene. Which especially includes hand-washing.

Here's more food for thought. One of the reasons the bubonic plague of the 14th Century was so incredibly deadly in Europe was that European peasants rarely washed. As in, didn't bathe at all from one year to the next. Not to mention they generally had very poor nutrition their entire lives, so their overall resistance to disease wasn't so hot.

Bubonic plague is still out there. There's a reservoir of it in various wild animals. Ever wonder why it doesn't get loose in the human population more often? Well, there are lots of reasons, not the least of which (at least in first world countries) is better sanitation. And better nutrition.

[Dogmudgeon]

42. Western USA: The BIGGEST reservoir of Plague in the world.

If for no other reason than to keep this disease in control, the USA should not abandon all "Socialized Medicine". A severe energy shortage combined with a lack of water delivery (the systems require a lot of energy) could allow local outbreaks to occur and spread.

I wouldn't count on it being a re-do of the Black Plague, but it would be a nasty surprise its victims and to millions of other people who live in that area.

--p!

[Dogmudgeon]

41. You were using the wrong sources

The news media generally prefers fear to education. You should avoid non-scientific news feeds for issues that affect your health and well-being.

The antidote to fear is usually education.

--p!

[Dem2theMax]

39. I must be totally crazy compared to everyone else on DU,

because I figure if I get it and I die, OK, I die. I won't be here to worry about it, so I'm not going to worry about it now.

It just seems to be one more thing to be afraid of, and I refuse to be afraid of dying. Whatever gets me, gets me. Earthquake, fire (in Calif. those are always an option), the flu, * and his terra lerts, or old age if I'm lucky (but only if Dems are in charge). I'm going to die one way or another. If it comes sooner rather than later I can always be thankful that I won't have to watch * anymore.

[alittlelark]

43. I have a 3-4 month 'earthquake' supply.

NO ONE will come or go from the house. If hubby feels a need to go to our company he will get the M-I-L quarters and the gazebo. He knows this. Upper management at our Co have discussed this - they are torn.

Local Quarantine works.... it has been used for thousands of years.


b*shco's version of a military quarantine is nothing short of 'a bad movie we've all already seen'.