Judy Miller: Look what I found!

[Generator]

Okay Plame game sleuths:What do you make of this new Miller move?

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20051007/pl_nm/bush_leak_dc

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WASHINGTON (Reuters) - A New York Times reporter has given investigators notes from a conversation she had with a top aide to Vice President Dick Cheney weeks earlier than was previously known, suggesting White House involvement started well before the outing of a CIA operative, legal sources said.

Times reporter Judith Miller discovered the notes -- about a June 2003 conversation she had with Cheney's chief of staff, Lewis "Scooter" Libby -- after her testimony before the grand jury last week, the sources said on Friday. She turned the notes over to federal prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald and is expected to meet him again next Tuesday, the sources said.

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My head is spinning again.

[texpatriot2004]

1. Yeah, yesterday on "As the Aspens Turn" it seemed those two

were on the same page, now the question is was this her ploy to play coy? Is she planting a "oh no were not working together" seed.

[tuvor]

2. And all this time she was SURE the dog ate it.

Whew!

[Sir Jeffrey]

3. This will go along with Rove's new testimony...

Whoever is the sacrifical lamb will be named and slimed by Rove. Scooter? Ari?

Looks like no Rove indictment. FUCK!

[rodeodance]

9. so, why do you think Rove is off the hook?

Miller's notes could help Fitzgerald establish that Libby had started talking to reporters about CIA operative Valerie Plame and her diplomat husband, Joseph Wilson, weeks before Wilson publicly criticized the administration's Iraq policy in a Times opinion piece, the sources said.

Wilson asserts that administration officials leaked his wife's identity, which damaged her ability to work undercover, to discredit him for criticizing
President George W. Bush's Iraq policy in 2003, after a CIA-funded trip to investigate whether Niger helped supply nuclear materials to Baghdad.

One source involved in the investigation said Miller's notes could help Fitzgerald show a long-running and orchestrated campaign to discredit Wilson, which could help form the basis for a conspiracy charge........


Bush's top political adviser, Karl Rove, plans to make a fourth appearance before the grand jury next week and prosecutors have told him they can make no guarantees he won't be indicted.

[Sir Jeffrey]

14. I'm looking at the big picture...

Rove comes forward at the last minute to tesify, just as Miller is released from protecting a source (who had released her over a year ago). The Scooter poetry talks about "turning in clusters" or whatever the hell it said. FWIW if I worked out secret codes with someone, it would be to protect my ass and the asses of others I cared about.

Then Miller "happens" to find these notes, presumably unaware that these notes existed before she went to jail (?!).

Bet the farm that if it comes down to Rove vs. anyone else in the administration (aside from Bush and Cheney), Rove wins, whether it means Scooter, Ari, or whomever else they have in their sights. Without Rove, well, you've seen how bad they are when he is away.

Dammit I want to be wrong about this.

[Halliburton]

12. Miller's more likely to side with Scooter than Rove

both are neocons while Rove is just a radical corporatist.

[Sir Jeffrey]

16. Without Rove, the neocon agenda fails...

Look at the poll numbers. Rove is THE most important person in this govt to the neocons. Without him, they can't sell anything to anyone with half a brain. If it comes down to Scooter v Rove, Rove will win hands down. They cannot replace him.

[lancdem]

21. Fitz has plenty on Rove

or else he wouldn't be going before the GJ as a last-minute attempt to avoid indictment.

[NorCalDem]

4. "discovered" the notes?

WTF? They were HER notes, how do you "discover" them?

This is ridiculous!

[H2O Man]

5. She got caught lying.

This documents the length of the plot to destroy Wilson. It was going on for months before Novak's article.

[Burried News]

11. Destroying Wilson is small potatoes. Sending a message to other

midlevel personnel in various agencies is more important. Putting intelligence gathering for world wide Nuclear Weapons capabilities solely in the hands of the Whitehouse can be more important still. Consider how much heat they put on Blix and El Baradei.

Somebody wants to control all the information and disinformation on these programs is my read.

[joemurphy]

20. Interesting.

Word on Wilson's trip actually got out in early May, 2003 around two months before Wilson wrote his piece in the NYT. Later, in early June, there was a minor flap that occurred between Nick Kristoff of the New York Times (who wrote an article about Wilson's trip and claimed that because of Wilson's report the White House knew the allegations about the Iraqi uranium purchases were bogus), and Condoleezza Rice (who went on Meet the Press in early June and denied any prior White House knowledge about the falsity of the uranium purchase).

Supposedly reporters began asking more questions in early June. That's when the Air Force One Memo got written. Miller's talking to Scooter about Wilson at that time is logical.

Wilson didn't write his own article until early July.

It's ironic how much the NYT is involved. Kristoff breaks the story, Wilson has his own op-ed piece there, and Judy Miller, a NYT reporter is meeting with Scooter at the same time -- possibly to get (or give) dirt on Wilson. It's kind of incestuous.

[Burried News]

22. This is the kind of info they want to control - picked it from another

current DU thread.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/armstrade/story/0,10674,1587750,00.html
"MI5 unmasks covert arms programmes

Document names 300 organisations seeking nuclear and WMD technology

Ian Cobain and Ewen MacAskill
Saturday October 8, 2005
The Guardian

The determination of countries across the Middle East and Asia to develop nuclear arsenals and other weapons of mass destruction is laid bare by a secret British intelligence document which has been seen by the Guardian.

More than 360 private companies, university departments and government organisations in eight countries, including the Pakistan high commission in London, are identified as having procured goods or technology for use in weapons programmes.

The length of the list, compiled by MI5, suggests that the arms trade supermarket is bigger than has so far been publicly realised. MI5 warns against exports to organisations in Iran, Pakistan, India, Israel, Syria and Egypt and to beware of front companies in the United Arab Emirates, which appears to be a hub for the trade."

[Rose Siding]

6. Aspens turning within aspens

as they say.

Maybe she was keeping them in the wmd drawer.

[Burried News]

7. Just a small point - how does a reporter have such high level

contacts in the Whitehouse? I don't think we're in a 'you scratch my back and I'll scratch yours' situation. This is one strange lady - I keep thinking a James Bond type and not only for 'our' side.

Was she saving these notes for a get out of jail free card. Did she save them for the same reason Monica's mom told her to save the blue dress?

It isn't just the Philippines with spies in the Whitehouse.

[Generator]

13. If you research old Judy

you will find she was always working any "angle" shall we say for a story. She had some not for prime time nicknames too. My husband was dumbfounded when he read the Libby letter to her, "My God, she IS a mouthpiece for the admin..he sounds like he's her family." (he thought I was being my hyperbolic self instead of seeing how if the average person KNEW the connections that a "journalist" has with those in power it kind of taints the old objectivity doesn't it??)

[Burried News]

18. Friends with Richard Perle. In communication with David Kelly.

On the speakers list of Benadore (sp?) associates. An expert on antiques. Husband a publisher. Ex lover of a former Secretary of Defense. Confidant of the editor of the New York Times. We are not in Kansas anymore ...

[Sir Jeffrey]

17. Check this out...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Mockingbird

"Operation Mockingbird is a Central Intelligence Agency operation to influence domestic and foreign media discovered during the Church Committee investigation in 1975 (published 1976):

"The CIA currently maintains a network of several hundred foreign individuals around the world who provide intelligence for the CIA and at times attempt to influence opinion through the use of covert propaganda. These individuals provide the CIA with direct access to a large number of newspapers and periodicals, scores of press services and news agencies, radio and television stations, commercial book publishers, and other foreign media outlets."<1>.

It is important to know that the word Mockingbird was first used by Deborah Davis in Katharine the Great (1979). There is no evidence that the CIA called it this. In fact, when Cord Meyer joined the operation in 1951 he said it was so secret it did not have a name. <2>."

Also:

"One of the most important journalists under the control of Operation Mockingbird was Joseph Alsop, whose articles appeared in over 300 different newspapers. Other journalists willing to promote the views of the CIA included Stewart Alsop (New York Herald Tribune), Ben Bradlee (Newsweek), James Reston (New York Times), Charles Douglas Jackson (Time Magazine), Walter Pincus (Washington Post), William C. Baggs (Miami News), Herb Gold (Miami News) and Charles Bartlett (Chattanooga Times). <7> According to Nina Burleigh (A Very Private Woman) these journalists sometimes wrote articles that were commissioned by Frank Wisner. The CIA also provided them with classified information to help them with their work. <8>"

No big surprise if you're familiar with the CIA's "good work".

[BuyingThyme]

8. If such notes exist, they're worthless.

Just like the Cooper email.

If she would go to jail to protect herself and the other traitors, she would surely destroy all legitimate evidence.

[shadowknows69]

10. somebody just call me when it's over

I can't take it anymore

[spuddonna]

15. Oh come on now you guys!

:sarcasm:
Be fair! I'm sure everyone has forgotten little notes full of treason around the house at one time or another!

I'm sure that she was just taking her last shred of integrity out of its little black hat box at the back of her closet and happened to find the notes there!

Geez! :eyes: Investigators can be so picky!

[Pithy Cherub]

19. I've always believed she had the notes.

Cooper let his be known so the fines against media corporation could have been imposed. Judy didn't tlet it be known so that would not be used as leverage against her like it was against Cooper. So, did the NYT editorial management know and did they withhold evidence in a federal investigation. Hmmmm, the plot is thickening:freak: