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blitzburgh55 Donating Member (320 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-07-05 07:34 PM
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Rove Says He Wasn't Involved in CIA Leak
Sorry if this is a dupe, did a search and didn't see it.



By JOHN SOLOMON, Associated Press Writer 14 minutes ago

WASHINGTON - White House Deputy Chief of Staff Karl Rove told
President Bush and others that he never engaged in an effort to disclose a
CIA operative's identity to discredit her husband's criticism of the administration's
Iraq policy, according to people with knowledge of Rove's account in the investigation.

They said Rove's denial to Bush occurred during a brief conversation in July 2003, shortly after media reports revealed that former Ambassador Joseph Wilson's wife, Valerie Plame, worked as a covert CIA operative.

Those with direct knowledge of evidence gathered in the criminal investigation spoke to The Associated Press only on condition of anonymity because of grand jury secrecy.

Special Prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald is wrapping up an investigation into whether Rove; Vice Presential
Dick Cheney's chief of staff, I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby; or other presidential aides divulged Plame's identity in violation of federal law.

Besides the disclosure of Plame's identity, the investigation is examining whether presidential aides mishandled classified information, made false statements or obstructed justice.

Rove is slated to testify before the grand jury soon for a fourth time, although prosecutors have told him they no longer can assure he will avoid indictment. Rove offered in July to return to the grand jury for additional testimony, and Fitzgerald accepted that offer after taking grand jury testimony from the formerly jailed New York Times reporter Judith Miller.

The discussion with Bush, along with others, was general and did not get into specifics concerning Rove's contacts with two reporters, Time magazine's Matthew Cooper and syndicated columnist Robert Novak, who wrote stories identifying Plame, the people familiar with Rove's account said.

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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051008/ap_on_go_pr_wh/cia_leak_rove
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-07-05 07:37 PM
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1. I can't believe
that mean Joe Wilson would do this to poor Karl. It's terrible.
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blitzburgh55 Donating Member (320 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-07-05 07:38 PM
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3. I guess Cooper wasn't telling the truth then?
:eyes: :eyes: :eyes: :eyes:
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-07-05 07:42 PM
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7. Well who do you
believe? Cooper or Rove? No contest. Cooper has reason to lie. Rove wouldn't lie. The president (a Christian) wouldn't stand for it.
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blitzburgh55 Donating Member (320 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-07-05 07:49 PM
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Of course I believe Rove
I mean, he was smart enough to get Chimpy selected, er ah I mean elected twice, he wouldn't be stupid enough to commit treason.



:puke:
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-07-05 07:54 PM
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15. That's right.
Just because he was fired from the Bush1 administration for leaking things to, of all people, Robert Novak, we are bound as Americans to believe him. Why, I've seen him posed in front of flags before.
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driver8 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-07-05 07:38 PM
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2. If Rove says he wasn't involved, then I believe him. Karl Rove
is a fine, upstanding, christian and would never do anything to harm this great country of ours.

As far as I'm concerned, this case is closed.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-07-05 07:40 PM
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5. He does go to church.
Wilson and Fitzgerald should be put in jail. They have smeared an honest man's reputation.
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KerryOn Donating Member (899 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-07-05 07:42 PM
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8. You mean a fine hypocritical avagalistic born again christian...
Edited on Fri Oct-07-05 07:42 PM by KerryOn
LIER.
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spindrifter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-07-05 09:02 PM
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23. No, He's avengelistic
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emulatorloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-07-05 08:14 PM
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21. McCain's Black Baby and Ann Richard's Lesbian Lover can attest to Rove's
fine character.
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Jazzgirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-07-05 07:40 PM
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4. Poor, poor KKKarl.....
*sigh* I just hope he lives this travesty down....He has been so maligned... :sarcasm:
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populistdriven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-07-05 07:41 PM
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6. It was Bush - he did it
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KerryOn Donating Member (899 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-07-05 07:44 PM
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9. No way Bush ....
is a fine, upstanding, christian and would never do anything to harm this great country of ours.
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Marr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-07-05 07:45 PM
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10. Sounds like Rove is being cut loose to protect the Shrub.
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Blasphemer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-07-05 07:49 PM
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12. Yep
Edited on Fri Oct-07-05 07:57 PM by Blasphemer
Poor Dubya - lied to by his trusted adviser :eyes:

I hope there is testimony that proves that Bush and Cheney were smack dab in the thick of things.
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Cocoa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-07-05 07:51 PM
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14. yep
Bush can be "shocked" that Karl lied to him.
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xray s Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-07-05 07:45 PM
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11. parse this
Edited on Fri Oct-07-05 07:46 PM by xray s
"he never engaged in an effort to disclose a CIA operative's identity to discredit her husband's criticism of the administration's
Iraq policy"


So...maybe there was another motive? Like destroying her network?

Hmmmmmmmm....

You did it Karl...now tell us WHY?
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Raksha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-07-05 07:56 PM
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18. Yup, I noticed that one right away too!
Re >>"he never engaged in an effort to disclose a CIA operative's identity to discredit her husband's criticism of the administration's
Iraq policy"

So...maybe there was another motive? Like destroying her network?<<

You sure do have to weigh every word with these people, and not take anything for granted. I still can't speak Neocon, but I can read and understand it fairly well at this point.

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dogman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-07-05 07:57 PM
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19. Brewster Jennings?
Happened to be in legal services with background in big oil.
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tulsakatz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-07-05 08:55 PM
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22. good one!
nice attention to details!! Remember when Rove said he didn't know her name and he didn't leak her name? Well, he didn't identify her by name but he identify her as Wilson's wife.

I'm sure Karl is looking at similar language to try to defend himself now.
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Scout1071 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-07-05 07:51 PM
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13. I don't believe for a second that Bush didn't know about Rove. Just the
way I'm certain that Harriett Miers is anti-privacy and choice for women.

Maybe Karl looked at Bush and said with his pig smile "I had nothing to do with it." (wink, wink)
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-07-05 07:55 PM
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16. Plausible deniability .....
something Poppy learned at CI.
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dancingme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-07-05 07:55 PM
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17. He was just trying to protect Valerie from evil doers
Karl had to tell the press that she was a CIA operative to keep all terrorists from attacking her. If the terrorists know that she is a CIA operative, they won't attack her because, um, they are afraid of the CIA. Yeah, that's the ticket!
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tulsakatz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-07-05 08:04 PM
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20. I remember when Nixon said.......
......."I am not a crook". This is the same thing, Rove is trying to say he is innocent when we already know he's lied about the same thing before!!!
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spindrifter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-07-05 09:09 PM
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24. Yep. Same song
second verse.
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maine_raptor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-07-05 09:52 PM
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30. You know that's what is missing from this "Gate"?
Edited on Fri Oct-07-05 09:53 PM by maine_raptor
Its that "I'm not a crook" moment. every WH scandal has one, so moment when the Prez says something that wraps up the whole thing in one sentence.

For Nixon it was the crook thing.

Clinton had his; "I never had sex...".

And Ronnie's mea culpa Oval Office speech was full of them during Iran-Contra.

But we have yet to have that come about in Plamegate.

Rove don't count in a way, it's gotta come from Bush himself.

As for Rove's actual comment, all I can say is the prison is full of people that say they didn't do it...Karl fill fit in just fine in that regard.



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Teaser Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-07-05 09:14 PM
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25. "People with knowledge of Rove's Testimony"
It's hilarious, that construction. It's constructed to imply that maybe, just maybe it's the prosecutors who are leaking the story, when it's clearly Rove's attorney(s).
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Garbo 2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-07-05 09:22 PM
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26. And Tweety just misunderstood when Rover told him Plame was "fair game."
yeah, that's it. LOL

Why is this coming out now? It ain't news, it's been "out there" for a long time. What spin is this?

Poor Bush, let down and misled by others again? Is that the spin?
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shraby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-07-05 09:39 PM
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27. This is a strange sentence.....
"Rove is slated to testify before the grand jury soon for a fourth time, although prosecutors have told him they no longer can assure he will avoid indictment."

I never knew they ever assured him he wouldn't be indicted.
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writes2000 Donating Member (481 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-07-05 09:51 PM
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29. If I understand correctly...
they cannot question someone if they suspect they could indict them - unless they warn them that they could be indicted.

When they first question Karl, they weren't thinking they might indict him. Now they are.
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lovuian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-07-05 09:42 PM
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28. Liars 1 Believers 0
Thats the score of the Rove Game!!!
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