Richard Holbrook vs. Jane Harmon vs. Christ Matthews re "NYC Terror Attack

[KoKo]

Did anyone see that whole exchange? Matthews dissing Bloomberg for calling terrorist attack, Harmon saying that the "Threat is real, and anyone can go on the internet and find way to build a bomb, and we need to worry about homegrown terrorists" and then Holbrook giving Matthews the "fish eye" stare telling him that Bloomberg did the correct thing by being agressive in New York and Homeland Security is a problem, and we should give credit to our Mayors who know how to run their cities when they get "conflicting reports" and he says he and Jane Harmon are working together ...and then Harmon sort of disses Holbrook with saying that "WE SHOULD BE AFRAID...VERY AFRAID.

:eyes: What THE HELL WAS THAT ALL ABOUT? As a Viewer I was completely confused. But, it seems that Bloomberg challenged Homeland Security and got AHEAD of Chertoff in calling for more action and "FEAR" than Chertoff wanted in this situation and the IRAQI SOURCE about the TERROR ATTACKS in my mind must be Chalabi...and they are "beating around the bush/BUSH (a pun) in sorting this all out.

It was totally bizarre but I have to say that Jane Harmon's "twinkle in the eye" and smirks were less credible than Richard Holbrook's INCREDULOOUS star as Matthews recited DIRE TIMES...TERRA...TERRA...TERRA.

Can someone sort this FIASCO out for me? :shrug: I'm clueless but what I saw was incredible "infighting." I remain firm...that I DO NOT LIKE OR TRUST JANE HARMON, though.

[rodeodance]

1. the WH was not prepared for NY to go public with the warning. Uncord-

ination reigns. This from a reporter on cnn a bit ago.

[RaleighNCDUer]

5. Nobody could have anticipated

that NY would take it public.

[KoKo]

6. yeah, I saw that with CNN before I switched channels. Bloomberg kind

of "pre-empted" them. But, what is that all about. I kept feeling there were "two stories." A top tier and a bottom one as far as what "THE TRUTH" about this is.

But, underlying it ...is the "credibility of this supposed Iraqi Source who has been "credible in the past" according to Harmon and Matthews, and the "Situation Room" folks on CNN.

WHO is this IRAQI SOURCE? And, WHEN has it been CREDIBLE. :eyes:

I'm very confused...their reports were bizarre?

[Neocondriac]

2. The players are adlibbing

The Voodoo is working

[sallyseven]

3. Can't trust Tweedy either.

He spends too much time cleaning up after bush. Wonder if he is worried about going to jail. Don't know Harmon at all.

[KoKo]

7. He looks really bad these days. He's testy and his skin has a pallor...

his eyes dart back and forth..and nothing he says seems to have "conviction" behind it. :shrug:

Look, he has a big house in Nantucket that he mortgaged his soul for. Maybe he's worried about it? He's worried that Americans might turn against his "patron saint" Jack Welch...who was his surrogate Daddy.

Whatever..we folks out here as "average citizens" don't have Matthews problems about his lifestyle...we have BASIC PROBLEMS OF HOW TO AFFORD GAS TO GET US TO WORK AND CAN WE TRUST OUR GOV'T ANYMORE!!!

[patdem]

4. Here's the scenario...bush* puts out a terror threat...if it goes well and

all are scared...he has saved us once again from a terror attack..if it does not go well and they accuse him of being chicken little..he blames the locals for over-reacting...Rove has it covered either way.

[Smarmie Doofus]

8. Bloomberg wasn't overreacting; he was changing the subject.

He's involved in a not-quite-a-runaway reelection effort here and is pretending to be "security" heavyweight to sway the undecided and the ill-informed.

[KoKo]

9. I still got the impression that he was "challenging the Chimp."

It was just a feeling I had. But, I do remember that Bloomberg was a Dem before he was a Repug. Both MSNBC and CNN seemed to try to trash him over Bush..or at least to question why he DEFIED the Departmant of "Homeland Security" (I hate that Nazi name) but it seemed that underlying the reports was a "CLASH" between Bloomberg (and Mayors like Nagin) and what's going on out there?

Plus the "Iraqi Connection" as the "source of the leak." :shrug:

I don't know what to make of it all but my "gut was telling me" something very different from what we take on "face value" is going on "behind the scenes." Power Play? They should love "declared Repug Bloomberg as Mayor and be supporting him." Why do this HOAX TERRA ATTACK?

[Smarmie Doofus]

14. Bloomberg's getting pulled down by Bush's unpopularity...

with NYC voters. The DEMS finally got smart and are starting to connect the dots for the dimly aware electorate.

My guess is that after being a loyal servant of Bush, donating HUGE amounts of $$$ to the RNC for their convention, refusing permits for DEMS and others to rally against the convention, setting the police loose to arrest and harass nonviolent anti-war demonstrators... Bloomberg is anxious to pick a little mini fight with Bush over something inconsequential that makes him look "independent."

He may have been a nominal democrat years ago but he is very much on the other side now, despite what you may hear from his apologists here at DU.

[capi888]

15. NYC and Homeland Security are on the outs!

There was a report on one of the talk shows (can't remember which one as I watch so many) that the NYC Police Dep has taken steps to handle their own Security Watch. Reason: Homeland Security did not follow through (via Bush) on giving them the needed tools to combat another attack. They said they would not depend on HS to protect the people in their city as the result of DC not fullfilling their promise from 911. So HS is upset with NYC, as they won't let them take control. Its a fight between DC and NYC. Plus, the fact NYC has not recieved the funding promised by BUSH after 911. So Probably, NYC has scouts in Iraq, since this is where the information came from. Geez, we put Millions in HS, and NYC gets information, and bet it isn't near the budget as Chertoff has!!! He is Bushies Buddy...Cronyism...to the hilt!

[drbtg1]

10. Chris Matthews was a real piece of shit tonight

He had Katrina vanden Heuvel on the show. And so Tweety pulled an OxyRush move ( http://www.thenation.com/blogs/edcut?bid=7&pid=21580 ) .

THE FUCKER ACTUALLY SAID SHE'S LOOKING A LOT BETTER NOW THAT THE HURRICANE IS OVER.

ASSHOLE!

(He and "Dead Intern" Joe also don't know how to pronunciate "Ayn Rand".)

[KoKo]

12. I turned it off before that..thanks for the "UpDate." Why did Ayn Rand

come up...Jeeze..do I really want to know. Does ANYONE IN THEIR WHOLE AUDIENCE get the hell who she was? And, if Ayn Rand is their only "intellectual" credential to throw as "meat" to their beast audience...then OMG..We've Lost our Country for sure to them.

I can't imagine the people I know here in NC knowing who Ayn Rand is..even though I do...it's just never come up in conversation. :eyes:

Jeeze...I live in an "Alternate Universe."

[drbtg1]

16. It came from Dead Intern Joe at first, no real reason for it

Get this: He claimed the Republicans are also the party of "Ann" Rand! Geez, this clown doesn't know the first thing about Ayn Rand.

Wonder how Dead Intern Joe would think about this (From the Playboy Interview 1964):

PLAYBOY: You have charged that America suffers from intellectual bankruptcy. Do you include in this condemnation such right-wing publications as the National Review? Isn't that magazine a powerful voice against all the things you regard as "statism"?

RAND: I consider National Review the worst and most dangerous magazine in America. The kind of defense that it offers to capitalism results in nothing except the discrediting and destruction of capitalism. Do you want me to tell you why?

PLAYBOY: Yes, please.

RAND: Because it ties capitalism to religion. The ideological position of National Review amounts, in effect, to the following: In order to accept freedom and capitalism, one has to believe in God or in some form of religion, some form of supernatural mysticism. Which means that there are no rational grounds on which one can defend capitalism. Which amounts to an admission that reason is on the side of capitalism's enemies, that a slave society or a dictatorship is a rational system, and that only on the ground of mystic faith can one believe in freedom. Nothing more derogatory to capitalism could ever be alleged, and the exact opposite is true. Capitalism is the only system that can be defended and validated by reason.

Sounds like The Repug are twisting the beliefs of Ayn Rand to suit their ends just like they twist the teachings of Jesus Christ.

After that, Tweety said he also loves "Ann" Rand and loved The Fountainhead. Maybe he starting Tweety's Book Club.

[wiggs]

11. Remember: Ridge had a problem with terror alerts too

Former DHS head Ridge said recently that there were several times where DHS disagreed with raising terror alert status.

Worth an investigation.

I would like to hear any MSM replay Ridge's words now....when DHS again disagrees with the politicos in terror alerts.

[KoKo]

13. I'd forgotten that.. and he's no longer with the REICH Administration.

We never ever see Tom Ridge's name in print anymore. What happened there? It got to be too much...or they ditched him and he works for Carlyle Group (Poppy/Baker Regime's Company"

:shrug: At least I'll give Ridge credit...he did TRY to call them out at the end. :shrug: