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whosinpower Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-07-05 12:56 PM
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Bush's Speech, Roves troubles and more
Yesterday, the president had a speech prepared that was supposed to be major. I'll be honest - I did not watch it, but I did read snippets of it on the internet. The "grand theme" was the war on terror, tieing it to the Iraq war and how the current Iraq occupation was central to the fight on terror.

It got me to thinking about allot of things after I meditated to appease my anger. My anger still rests with the initial sale of the war on Iraq - WMD and an imminent threat via Saddam Hussien. See - I never bought the whole bundle of goods they were trying to sell us. And now - Bush gives a major speech on how the Iraq War is the central war on terror - on how terrorists are fighting there so they don't come here....and it makes my blood boil. I don't like being lied to. And what "IS" now was not "IS" then.

I think the upcoming Rove scandal is part of why Bush felt compelled to beseech Americans to support him on the Iraq War. Because of Plamegate - we know we were sold lies to justify invading a nation. If Bush was forthright with us in the beginning and said something like - " We need to invade Iraq so it will be a battleground that terrorists can come and fight us there so they don't fight us on American soil". How much support do you think he would of gained?????
How many allies would he have gotten? Would the UK of supported this?? What about the UN charter?? You see, I feel that by USING Iraq as a battleground - Bush effectively sets a whole nation up as human shields against having an attack on American soil.....and that is appalling - regardless of who their leader is/was.

He is trying to frame the war in such a grandiose way that we must support him - and yet I, personally, cannot. Because he lied. The downing street memo and Plamegate all point us to the truth. We need to uphold a higher standard than we are seeing in the current administration. Standards that maintain human dignity even if the enemy does not. WE SET THE STANDARD - NOT AL QUAIDA. Standards that require accountability for misleading a nation to war.

That is the crux of it all. It is going to get real interesting in the next few weeks, methinks. Plamegate underscores it and undermines Bush's rationale - which is why he is trying to change the story once again.

Ok - I'll stop rambling now......
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spindrifter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-07-05 01:07 PM
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1. Yes, he always
pulls back to some effort to justify the war and try to rally the people around it as a cause. War has always been a powerful symbol. Unfortunately for B*ush, he has set the battleground on a pack of lies that are known to be lies. His position on the battleground was illusory to begin with and pure fiction now.
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Hillgiant Donating Member (22 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-07-05 01:30 PM
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2. Isn't insanity trying the same thi ng over and over...
... and expecting a different result?

OTOH, he may just be out of ideas. Can't think of anything new, gotta make a speech to convince us that he's doing "hard work", might as well beat the "terra" drum some more.
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newyawker99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-07-05 03:44 PM
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5. Hi Hillgiant!!
Welcome to DU!! :toast:
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Hillgiant Donating Member (22 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-07-05 01:30 PM
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3. Isn't insanity trying the same thi ng over and over...
... and expecting a different result?

OTOH, he may just be out of ideas. Can't think of anything new, gotta make a speech to convince us that he's doing "hard work", might as well beat the "terra" drum some more.
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Why Syzygy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-07-05 01:30 PM
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4. I never bought a nanosecond worth of his bs.
I've lost long term friends over this issue. Before the invasion, I disagreed with EVERYONE I knew about what the hell was going on. I read, researched, listened to the background noise. I was never in favor of it. No war protester type.

There is no excuse for what he has done. None. He lied, people die. That is just not excusable.
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