hmmm NYPD "ABC says the tip stretches all the way to Iraq"

[whatever4]

Stretches all the way back to Iraq. Das what they say.

No, this wasn't meant to scare us all into supporting the war on terra, NO, couldn't happen, gee NOW they really ARE hitting us from Iraq, GEE, Bush was right all along...gee

"three Iraqis were arrested several days ago during a raid by a joint FBI-CIA team, one of those arrested disclosed the threat. Because it slipped out during the arrest, the plot was deemed credible."

hmmmm

But the feds thought there was nothing to it, even though their own people participated in the arrest, and they heard it themselves. Sure.

http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=05/10/07/1344220

ABC News: Plot Involves 19 Operatives With Briefcases
Earlier, ABC News reported on what the NYPD deemed a credible tip that 19 operatives have been deployed to New York to place bombs in the subway. ABC says the tip stretches all the way to Iraq, saying that when three Iraqis were arrested several days ago during a raid by a joint FBI-CIA team, one of those arrested disclosed the threat. Because it slipped out during the arrest, the plot was deemed credible. The 19 operatives were reportedly to place improvised explosive devices in the subways using briefcases. The police are deploying additional officers, dogs and heavy weapons teams in subways and commuter rail terminals, sources said. Department of Homeland Security sources told ABC they are very doubtful the threat information is credible. On average, some 4.5 million commuters use New York's subway system daily.

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1. 4-8-15-16-23-42

America's unlucky numbers would include the number 19. 19 terrorist on 9/11. 19 brief cases.

What other unlucky numbers are there?

[meegbear]

5. And how would those other numbers be deemed "unlucky"?

Please go into excruciatingly painful detail about each one.

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9. Oh, a "Lost" fan would understand what they mean.

I was looking for our own set of numbers. The only number I see so far, would be "19."

[meegbear]

13. Ahhh ...

I guess. Thanks.

[mattclearing]

6. Nice one.

Too bad we can't win the lottery with them.

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10. That's a lottery I would not want to win.

[zbdent]

12. I ain't pushing the button

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15. I bet you it's just a skinner box.

Nothing is going to happen if they don't push the button. A Skinner Box was a maze for mice which were put through tests to see how long it would take for them to learn their way to a reward of cheese. Then, once they learned it, the cheese would be removed and the test would switch to see how long it would take them to realize there was no reward.

The conclusion of the Skinner tests was that partial reinforcement was the best way for a long-term change in behavior.

[zbdent]

16. Humans are smarter than mice, right?

So why don't humans "learn" that "trickled-on" economics ain't working?

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19. Or that these terrorist warnings always come when the Bush Admin.

needs a distraction?

[meegbear]

2. Subway attacks in the US are directly related to Iraq ...

but the one's in Britain are not. Hmmmmmmm.

[whatever4]

20. Yeah, that's me too, hmmmmm nm

[JuniperLea]

3. so predictable

isn't it?

[havocmom]

4. bush*s approval - 37 with an anchor. They gotta manufacture something

to combat the growing awareness that he is a lying sack of personality disorders. Need a diversion from the criminality of the neocons AND need some sort of evidence that Iraq IS connected with terrists working in the US.

It was an attempt at a two-fer before Rove gets the noose.

[Hobarticus]

7. It follows a pattern: three men claim nukes in Iraq

invade, trash country, inflame and entice extremists to attack us and our interests abroad.

I'd say there's precedent.

[Roland99]

8. So, a captured insurgent lying to save his life costs the US more FEAR?!

give me a break!

[Doctor_J]

11. Wait - I thought it was IRAN now

can they get their lies straight? Is ABC working off last month's blast fax from Rove?

[Arkansas Granny]

14. Thought you were talking about Bush's nose. (Pinnochio style)

[jobycom]

17. Sorry, but I'm not as skeptical as you guys, and I wish you wouldn't be

Just because Bush needs something doesn't mean he won't accidentally get it. And at the rate Bush is sinking, I don't think a terrorist attack, or a planned attack that is averted, helps him at all. Especially an attack linked to his failure in Iraq. There is no real reason to fake this. It only makes Bush look worse.

We, on the other had, are going to look really bad when one of these attacks succeeds. The MSM is going to love figuring out how many deaths were caused by the "blogoshpere" advising people to ignore the threat.

And one day the threat will be real. Maybe this time. All those bombs going off in Iraq and Israel and Bali aren't planted by us. Sooner or later someone will get it done here. The only way that helps Bush is if Rove can pull out DU posts showing that Democrats are so weak on terror that we believed it could never happen.

I wouldn't be surprised if this warning is overblown hype. I also wouldn't be surprised if it was real. Unless I'm sure, I'm not going to advise people to ignore warnings.

[Toots]

18. Are you suggesting we may not be safer now since we attacked Iraq?

Republicans aren't going to like you. Fighting them over there guarantees we will never have to fight them over here. I am so thankful for that because those Iraqi women and children are scary people and need to be butchered "over there" At least we are doing a good job of killing them aren't we?

[jobycom]

23. I would never suggest that.

I would state it outright, with force, and profanity.

[whatever4]

21. OH, I didn't mean to ignore the warning at all

NO, I think the threat was quite credible. I just question the source of it. I think New York just saved themselves another attack, and I think they did it IN SPITE of the feds. That's why the feds aren't agreeing it was a real threat. Now, they have to cover their tracks in it, while at the same time telling us "Hey, it was Iraq, see, they really ARE a threat..see??"

Because if one thought, truly believed, that national security means we need a police state, with everyone spied upon, everyone in control, everyone on board, one might believe an attack on our own nation is an acceptable way to achieve that goal. If one believed it were a matter of life and death, of our nation, one could believe it would be worth the price, worth the price of innocent Americans. It could be deemed necessary, to make us all safe, they'd have to scare us into believing in the war on us. There are many that will not disagree with this, that it would, indeed, be worth the price, because they believe in our country, they'd sacrifice civilians here same as soldiers over there.

Just to say, very patriotic individuals really and truly could support these actions. It's not hard to see how a person could be brainwashed into believing an attack on one of our cities would be in the interest of national security. Brainwashing can happen.

In looking at those prisons and the torture, I think we can agree brainwashing has been occuring.

[catmandu57]

22. ABC has zero credibility with me

I put them right behind faux in the propaganda mill, number two with a bullet.