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NoBushSpokenHere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-07-05 07:31 AM
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Strange thought regarding Kerry concession
Edited on Fri Oct-07-05 07:32 AM by NoBushSpokenHere
Not that I want to reopen an avalanche of opinions or be called a nut or worse, but I had a strange thought the other day.

Someone had posted on some board somewhere just after the election that their analysis was that Kerry's family had been threatened if he did not concede. I quickly discarded this thought because I believe all politicians run this risk and because the family has enough money to protect themselves.

It occurred to me the other day, that maybe it wasn't his family that was threatened. Maybe it was us? Maybe the threat was to the American people. Given his options at the time (if this would be the case), he would probably have chosen to protect us by conceding while working behind the scenes to find a way to evict * from the throne.

If this theory is correct, we may have been in much more danger than we ever realized, and still may be.

*This post is just a theory, not an accusation, the author only seeks to encourage discussions regarding this possibility and stands behind free speech rights to do so*

Edited for typos
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BlueEyedSon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-07-05 07:32 AM
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1. Anything is possible
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TallahasseeGrannie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-07-05 07:33 AM
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2. I would hate to think so
but frankly, until this bunch is out of power I can't rest easy. I want my country back.
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-07-05 07:44 AM
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10. I've always loved that penguin video. I call it blind-sided by the
right wing.
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TallahasseeGrannie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-07-05 07:53 AM
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12. Heh... never thought
of that but you are right. I love the hole he falls into.
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bunny planet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-07-05 08:16 AM
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19. Yes but the penguin that pushes the other one is to the left of the one
that falls in the water! Blind sided by the left, is more like it. I like the sound of that better.
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bullimiami Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-07-05 07:34 AM
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3. any threat wouldnt have been as bad as the suffering bushco
has put us through and that yet to come.

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1932 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-07-05 07:37 AM
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4. Unlike Gore, Kerry lost by too much.
Had he chosen not to concede, it's unlikely he would have found the votes to win, so why threaten him?

The only place to fight was in Ohio over all the crap the Republicans pulled to make it hard for people to vote, and that wasn't a matter that had to do with conceding, and Kerry is still participating in law suits in Ohio to get to the bottom of that.
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-07-05 07:58 AM
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14. That is just not so. Many states besides Ohio are in question. New Mexico
for one and believe it or not Arizona.There are others as well. The votes were NOT COUNTED. so, how do you know what he "lost" by? Going by the exit polls, he didn't lose by anything!
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1932 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-07-05 08:07 AM
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17. Arizona, New Mexico, North Carolina -- all funky, but all Democratic
governors right? Do they have Democrats running the election bureaus too?

Given that the Democratic governors should be on top of things in those states, it's going to be harder to fight for votes in those states. Or at least, if there's something worth fighting for, why aren't their governors doing it too?

Ohio is the only one where you could make a really good argument, and the problems were so structural (ie, there aren't enough votes that could actually be given to Kerry so that he could win) it wouldn't have changed the outcome of this election. Then can persue (and apparently are persuing) this in the courts to challenge and repair the structural problems.
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-07-05 08:15 AM
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18. Can't speak for the others but the AZ Sec of State ia a vicious partisan
Repuke who definitely discourages voter registration and is an interference in any kind of tabulation.As for NM, Richardson was just bizarre. He didn't want to spend the money on the recount! The NM "Dem" Governor blocked it. I can't explain that one.Ohio is NOT the only state that you could make a good argument. I will agree that proof was difficult to obtain because of the GOP control of the voting machines and the judiciary in some states.
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McKenzie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-07-05 07:38 AM
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5. I have read alternative theories
some of them are plain nutz and not worth spending precious time reading, let alone considering as potentially valid. There is one theory though that fits with a whole lot of other things (awful word) I've considered. Now isn't the time to air that theory...only time will tell if it has any substance.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-07-05 07:40 AM
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6. The problem for this country is that the BFEE is capable of any malice
no matter how small or how large the scale.

Who else would build suitcase sized nukes?

I personally believe that Dean and Kerry are planning to get at the voting machines themselves through the Sec of State races and are putting specific people in place to win those seats.

I believe they will have the machines and the people who control them put under a microscope and PUBLICALLY demonstrate how easily elections can be stolen and the evidence erased by these machines.
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NoBushSpokenHere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-07-05 07:42 AM
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7. How can they be put into power on a corrupt election system??? n/t
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-07-05 07:48 AM
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11. I think the DNC will figure it out before 2006.
Diebold and ESS may even be too intimidated to try to steal the next election because of all the controversy. It will probably be easier to monitor them this time. Especially when it would be difficult now for Republicans to claim the popularity of the well-liked president shield that they used in 2002 and 2004.
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halobeam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-07-05 07:42 AM
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8. Yes.. anything is possible.
Kerry could very well know a lot more than we do, about what happened. We really do know a lot about the election fraud that occured. We heard the rumors about the threat to his family, and many people believe it is possible.

I thought many similar thoughts about why he would conceed so quickly. He was in the fight of his life, and this concession, went against everything he stood for. Consistency, strength, perserverance, and that's really why it struck me as though something might be wrong. It was more of an intuition feeling that just rose up in me. It wasn't like I was looking for it, it just happened. I've learned to trust my intuitions. Since that time, that very sad day, I've heard many others express these same gut feelings that they had. Makes you go hmmmmmmmmmmm.

This, we may never, ever know. It's one of those things you let go of, or it could drive ya nuts.
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Freedomfried Donating Member (684 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-07-05 07:42 AM
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9. Kerry didn't want to inherit this huge fucking mess
Too much trouble to go thru just to be the clean up man.
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ray of light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-07-05 07:57 AM
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13. Kerry worked his heart out trying to fight for us! and he still is.
I think he cares about people so much and the "war president" was marching the war in Iraq to make it appear kerry was endangering us by questioning the vote.

But I really want to reassure everyone that Kerry is and always was fighting. I personally know of all the things he did behind the scenes and to get to the bottom of the fraud.

I also saw a link awhile ago with someone else giving more facts. I'll see if I can dig it up.

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MellowOne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-07-05 08:05 AM
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15. Something I though about
We know Bush stole the election, this is hard to say, but maybe it's a good thing. Now we get to witness the " great fall" and public humiliation of the administration. Assuming indictments will shortly be given to the criminals.
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zbdent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-07-05 08:07 AM
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16. But then, the Secret Service would either have to have records of this
(if true)

Or, . . .

have been in on the plot.

:tinfoilhat:
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valerief Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-07-05 08:16 AM
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20. I've always thought this administration makes offers that people
can't refuse.

A lot of people do what they do because they like keeping their heads attached to their necks. We've seen the videos of people where they've literally lost their heads.
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The Night Owl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-07-05 10:59 AM
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21. The most likely possibility is the one that Kerry posited...
We came up a little short.

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