Guys,I have to ask this...(RE:War on Terror)

[Polethebear]

I need to know something.I want to know if am the only one who feels this way.


"puts on asbestos suit and prepares for flame"


PNAC and their "new pearl harbor" nonwithstanding.


Am I the only one who feels like there is a war on terror or more to the point,terrorists looking to attack america??? Because I do. I don't belive it because of what the goverment says,I sure as hell don't belive it because of what shrub says.I belive because of past events and what I have read.The events being everything from the rise of the PLO to the TWA Flight in 1985.

I had to ask after the distraction comments in regarding today's events.Points I take and don't doubt,but I also belive that something like this could happen.


Anyway,I hope I didn't infurate anybody.I was jusy wondering.

[tompayne1]

1. there are always terrorists trying to attack america

But we are dealing with it in the wrong way. we should be concentrating on increased intel funding and small (small think small) snatch-and-grab jobs and/or ambushes from paramilitary not the freaking war in iraq.

[Polethebear]

2. I could go for that....

sorta and money for spies.:-)

[incapsulated]

3. Hey, they already did

Twice. 9/11 was the second hit on the Towers.

Sure, they would like to cause havoc in the US with another attack. But I honestly can't imagine it's that important to them since it would be brain-dead easy to set off suicide bombs or poison the water or any number of things they could have done but haven't.

Maybe they figure we are doing a fine job of terrorizing ourselves without their help.

I live in NYC, I don't worry about it. Karma. God knows this crew won't save us.

[Polethebear]

6. By the way,

I am talking about terror in general,not just airplanes.

[incapsulated]

10. So am I

:shrug:

[Polethebear]

16. oh

sorry...um,nevermind:D :shrug:

[Birthmark]

4. It's a matter of proportion.

As long as America is front and center on the world stage there will be idjits who want to attack us. Those that can actually do it will be few and far between. Most of those attacks, while brutal, will be limited - like the London bombings. Trying to galvanize a nation to fight such a limited, ineffectual threat is irrational. A few good cops should be all that's necessary.

[tompayne1]

5. its true

but i still mantain iraq is a retarded diversion.

[Birthmark]

8. I saw your response after I posted mine.

I don't know what Iraq is or was supposed to be. But "retarded diversion" is a damned fine description of what its become. There's every reason to believe that attacking Iraq has made us more likely to be targeted by terrorists.

[tompayne1]

9. very true

i believe that iraq was little more than a poorly orchestrated oil grab.

[FloridaPat]

7. Things are so screwed up now that I can't even answer your question.

Several of the bombings in foreign countries have been blamed on al Qaeda or sympathizers or some other Islamic groups. However, people on the internet found gaping holes in the reports. There was that missle that was shot at an airplane a year or two ago. They didn't hit the plane. The pilot saw the missle as they were taking off behind the airplane. They found the tube but not the rest of the items. Now the folks that know these things got pictures of the missle launcher. It was painted light blue and white. But no one paints them that way. The tube goes into a big box with the rest of the launcher stuff. They left the tube but took the rest of the box. And lastly, when these things go off, the end is black. The end of this one wasn't black.

As for bombings - who really is doing them? The USA? Israelis? Rumors are that the US is trying to keep the rest of the world in turmoil so they don't put their people first. That way the US can keep taking their resources.

Yes, there are mean terorists out there. I don't know who they are. Reagan created and funded al Qaeda. * is doing everything they want him to do. No al Qaeda person has gone to trial and been convicted. One German court had a trial but the US wouldn't give them evidence against the terrorist. So the US - besides spending tons of money on wars and invasions - isn't doing a thing to actually stop these terrorists. The real funders of terrorists are our friends - Saudi Arabia, Pakistan. Who are the bad guys and who are the good guys?

[Oversea Visitor]

11. There always will be mad people in this world

But if you allow the justification that the action of a few mad people is reason enough to invaded countries fill with million of innocents destroying their life bringing chaos then I don't know who is more crazy.

This what US has done

LISTEN to your President
He listed out his goals and objectives in his speech
That is his reality
That is your President
That is how he wants the world to be

You already have Afghanistan, Iraq
Now he is talking about Iran and Syria
Countries that harbour enemies of the US call terrorist

You the American are as Superior as the Aryan under Hitler
The Jews of Hitler are today muslim
Afghanistan is Austrai
Iraq looks like Poland
Europe during Hitler is middle east under Bush
Italy and Japan can I say UK and Australia

SS concentration camp do I need to tell you where they are

Listen to Your President
That is his reality
And I pray is wont come true.

No I am not going to flame you
Just force you to look at what you wish for

Finally look at History
The MOngol Empire the Great Khan The super warlord the million he kill. So what
The Rome Empire aaah where are they
Germany and World WAr 2 oh gee what dreams

Believe in him if you want. Cause in the end it will be all for nothing but just a record in History.

The saddest part is it is now the 21st century and we have more WMD.
The scale of suffering and destruction bigger and more horrifying.
But tell what is this all for.
Fulling someone mad fantansy.... ego.... or a madman dream

Bush is your President and you put him in power, Do you have the power to stop him from making his realities come true. Or do you really want it?

[Polethebear]

18. whoa,whoa........

just because I said felt there was a war on terror,does not mean I am trying to justfiy Iraq and it doesn't mean I am supporting shrub. I am focusing mearly on the al-qeada types. Re-read the first post.

[Oversea Visitor]

22. I listen to his whole speech...... the chimp

Ok maybe my buzzer in my head working overtime.

Al Queada cannot take over any countries. They are nobody they are nothing.

Go listen to bush speech

Gee they so powerful they can create an Islamic empire from Spain to Indonesia.

Boom Booom Boom al quaeda drums of wars

[Oversea Visitor]

23. n/t

:hug:

[applegrove]

12. Gwyn Dyer (sp) wrote a book on terrorism. He went into the history

and all. About how bin Laden & others want a big huge islamist country from the Atlantic to the Pacific. They tried at first to bomb their own people. That didn't garner them popularity so they bombed the USA & the West to attract the numbers of recruits to Jihad that blowing up Algeria didn't garner them.

Now because of the stupidity in Iraq - then have a beach-head. Used to be they only had Afghanistan & at times, places in Sudan. Iranians are not arabs so not the same kind of fundamentalism.

So yes - there is a big legit war on islamofacists. But Iraq didn't need to be a part of it.

Those bombings in Thailand & elsewhere are part of al Qaeda. But like some of the generals say (an Australian) - foreign troops in Iraq give fire to the movement. If the troops left - there would be less fire and people would then feel guilty or disgusted with al Qaeda bombings over the world.

IMHO

[nashville_brook]

17. MANY years ago there was a segment on 60 minutes on islamofascism

i'm talking Bush the Elder administration era. the correspondent had footage of meeting places with all sort of arabic graffiti that read, basically "death to the infidels -- america." it was a major eye-opener for me all those years ago. the story went on to discuss the history and progression of the "movement." it really made an impression on me. explained the connection with Palestine, etc.

since then i've pretty much expected something bad to happen.

[Rex]

13. Of course the terrorists want to kill us. Before we get

done with Iraq, every single person who lost a loved one will want us dead...all of us. Every bomb we drop or car full of innocents we kill indiscriminately, all the torture victims relatives and friends. This is how wars get started. Big wars. Nobody ever learns from history, so I fully expect these idiots to get us into some horrible shit soon.

[Amonester]

14. My opinion is yes, there are *real* ones but there are *fake* ones

too...

Atta is one of the ** junta's *protected* (if not secretly *subsidized*) and *works* for the PNAC mob (so does bin forgotten).

The point is, the stupid PNAC criminals want to dominate the world using all the taxpayers' money, and the foreign oil money they can rob and run away with. They don't care about nobody else but themselves, first and foremost, and they see themselves as being above all laws, either domestic or international. They chose to use any pretext in order to grab one of the easiest (they *thought*) *beatable* country's resources (an International Law punishable crime).

What a real government by-the-people-for-the-people would have done would have been to take all the means it possessed to find (and/or to kill) both the *real* ones and the *paid* ones. At the same time, it would have used all the *discreet intelligence & technology* to really secure as much as possible all the *loops* (public transits, container docks, water tanks, airports, and more), and would have re-enforced NO's levees instead of cutting their funds while making sure to nominate real competent leadership at the wheels, stuff like that (I'm sure you get the picture so I need not elaborate any further...). Oh, and I almost forgot *real* solid diplomacy (instead of the hate-filled threat-shows we had the horror to witness...).

What the criminals did (still do) is to damage the US beyond the point it will be more than just hard to repair. The good people, the intelligent people, the honest taxpayers, the dedicated scientists who used to be congratulated and appreciated by the big majority of other peaceful people in this world never did anything wrong that would make it so difficult for them to re-appropriate their country and work together with the world for the better of everybody, not just the richest 1% of have-more's!

These good people never did anything wrong that would result in them ever *deserving* any of the PNAC junta's disasters. They don't deserve to be treated this way. They HAVE to *overthrow* this cancer-like mob as soon as possible so they can come back working together with the world to try to repair all the damages done. There's no other way.

Peace Paix Pax
Justice Must Win
Then The Truth Will Be
Let It Be

[nashville_brook]

15. i don't think that's inflammatory at all

personally -- i'm more worried about the weather.

BUT to answer your question. if i were to be totally honest of what my "still small voice says" i'd have to say that the "war," the terrorism, is directed more at international outposts of american empirical aggression. it's a half and half thing. yes -- there's terrorism. but for every 9-11 there's 100s of Bali bombings, etc.

and this isn't to diminish the initial post in any way. i just think that the US "proper" isn't the most effective target they have. but most certainly, yes, people are way pissed and desperate.

[Norquist Nemesis]

19. "Terrorists" have always been around

It's the tactics that change. In our lifetime, we've had a lot of homegrown terrorism...think SLA and Patty Hearst, for example. Not to mention bombings of abortion clinics and lighting houses on fire. Tactics of Al Capone were terroristic in their nature, though not for political influence. And there are still unanswered questions about the OK City bombings.

Yes, while those are examples of the homegrown type, as we extend our influence globally, there are bound to be consequences.

But, make no mistake. The "War on Terror" is a political marketing slogan. As long as Americans keep eating it up, the resulting fear will continue to paralyze us.

[kahleefornia]

20. I don't think so anymore

Every news alert about terra in the past 5 years has been amazingly coincidental with political "bad news". Sure, there are always crazy (or desperate) people who are so crazy or so upset that they will do anything to get attention. But I don't think it's any more than usual.

Besides, all the bombings lately haven't been Al Qaida - they've been "terrorist groups with links to Al Qaeda"...heck, I bet Kevin Bacon has links to al Qaida, if you take it far enough.

I say relax - what can you do except be reasonably prepared anyway?

[jayctravis]

21. I think there is a War on Terror because Bush started it.

Him being in office puts other nations into states that are conducive to terrorism.

They are oil men, and business can be a ruthless industry with lots of money to be made.

My gut feeling is that 9/11 happened because Bush was elected. There were scores to be settled from past history.

[TankLV]

24. Don't worry - PUT DEMOCRATS BACK IN CHARGE!

They'll protect us all without fanfare just like they did under CLINTON - remember?

[No Exit]

25. Yes, there are terrorists, but their identities are

shrouded in mystery. They may be someone other than who you think they are.

That is, they may be the neocons THEMSELVES.