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dbeach Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-05 07:36 PM
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"Shameful, Anti-American Law .Inside The Patriot Act"
Blogger Nigel Deans read and interprets this most unjust of Laws
and the MOST Unpatriotic of Acts

http://www.progress.org/2005/pat01.htm
Shameful, Anti-American Law
Inside The Patriot Act

"So I decided to read the document. Well, at least parts of it, and sure enough, I began to understand something that I didn't get from the interpretations. The sections of the Patriot Act that I read seem to be little more than a hit-list for knocking off pre-existing rules. This may explain how such a long document could have been produced in such short order; the list probably reflects decades of limits on what law enforcement agencies would like to have done if not for the interference of our constitutional rights. Indeed, all the rules on the hit-list are rules that protect those rights.

Let's look at section 505: “Miscellaneous National Security Authorities” which has three sub-sections, each one attacking a separate law. So just to understand Section 505, you have to read and understand three additional laws. sub-section "a" affects the Telephone Toll and Transactional Records.--Section 2709(b) of title 18, United States Code. sub-section "b" (Financial Records) affects Section 1114(a)(5)(A) of the Right to Financial Privacy Act of 1978 (12 U.S.C. 3414(a)(5)(A)) sub-section "c" (Consumer Reports) affects Section 624 of the Fair Credit Reporting Act (15 U.S.C. 1681u)

Of course nothing is stopping you from searching the internet for the U.S.C. I think Legal Information Institute is a good place to go. As a guide for what to look for, keep in mind that U.S. District Judge Victor Marrero stated that section 505 violated the 1st and 4th Amendments. In general, section 505 allows the government to search through your records without judicial supervision. Judicial supervision is important because the government agencies that are doing the searching are usually under the executive branch, the judicial check upholds the check and balance designed in the Constitution to make our government tyranny resistant and this is where my perspective differs from those who say... "if you aren't doing anything wrong, then you have nothing to worry about." It's not me that I'm worried about and it's not necessarily the current government that is still at least to some extent, bridled to decency by the Constitution either. What I'm worried about is the future government that finds enough space between power and decency to redefine what "wrong" is.

It's this same exact concern that created the Constitution that creates opposition to the Patriot Act and it's a very serious concern. The 2nd Amendment which provides us with the right to bear arms wasn't added for us to have fun shooting beer cans in our back yard, it was added to preserve our ability to fight our own government forces if we need to. That may sound a little wacko to us in our comfortable co-existence with a Constitutional government, but again, the founder of this nation understood what oppression was like. A big part of our civil rights is about our ability to withstand future changes, potential problems that we may not have now, but we may have later. It seems silly to buy into the Patriot Act without at least considering how it will impact these rights and it seems downright cowardly to compromise our rights just to help authorities catch a few terrorists."


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DebJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-05 07:49 PM
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1. Those 10,000 pages were NOT produced after 9/11: they had
been ready and waiting for the excuse
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dbeach Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-05 08:09 PM
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2. yep
9/11 gave them the trigger to spring their traps

TOO BAD about rover..he will be behind bars while his pals are laffin at him and still plottin

then again he might get a lil upset..what with the smirk still partying ..HE could get real cooperative if ya catch my wave..
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converted_democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-05 08:48 PM
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3. I agree, they had this waiting and ready to go before 9-11...n/t
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-05 09:45 PM
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4. Erzählen Sie nur uns was zu machen George Bush
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dbeach Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-05 09:54 PM
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5. bush has more potential for destruction than hitler
its intersting that the busheviks follow the hitler game plan so closely..and with a good dash of machiavelli..it becomes one poisonous stew forced down our throats..Today is a great new beginning..Rover is going down and if he has an ounce of sense in his rats level of intell..then rover will roll over on his master..THEN the real fun begins..
SO WAHDA NEXT? BIO CHEMS NUKES CONVENTIONAL misquitos from outer space??

choose your poisoin and take your vitamins..

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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-05 10:19 PM
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6. Sure bush has more potential
Edited on Thu Oct-06-05 10:21 PM by seemslikeadream
his family has had 50 years to work on it. Lots of true friends.

Remember Hitler said

A thousand years, dbeach, a thousand years

You didn't think he was kidding, did you?

I didn't think so



Look familiar?

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dbeach Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-05 10:28 PM
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7. they have been trained
its a inter generational thing at yale zoo.
S.& B. must be having some real parties this month.
helloween must be a real killer at lodge #322.
wonder if the ghost of Geronimo is happy that prescott and the villains were desecrating his skull?????
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earth mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-05 10:55 PM
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8. Gotta give this thread a kick!
:kick:
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dbeach Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-05 11:03 PM
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9. its a snoozer
eevry bodys heped up about all the rover parties next wk..

me I am a working man gotta keep exposing them corrupt DC Pols..WOW Endless bummer..
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