If Delay is guilty, then so is the RNC ?

[kentuck]

Because Delay is charged with taking corporate money ($190,000) and funneling it to the RNC, who in turn funneled it back into the campaigns of Republican candidates in Texas. If this is true, how could the RNC not be guilty? Or was the Republican National Committee unaware of what was happening?

[John Q. Citizen]

1. Good point! n/t

[MojoXN]

2. Good point, but just the same...

Good luck.

MojoXN

[bigbrother05]

19. Hasn't Bugman said he spoke with GW?

Surely he told him about all the good things he was doing for the party in his beloved TX and how helpful (wink, wink) the party had been. Conspiracy can spread quite easily, hope Fitz is talking to Ronnie E, this has RICO written all over it.

[NMDemDist2]

3. i've been wondering the same thing n/t

[DanCa]

4. Than can we subtract texas electoral vote from the last election

okay i know its a pipe dream.

[morningglory]

18. You have such good ideas! Great mind! n/t

[DanCa]

20. My body is shot, my mind compensates :D thank ya.

[GreenPoet64]

5. Interesting . . . n/t

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

6. How could they not know?

They got a bunch of money from TRMPAC, and then sent that money to some TX candidates. Somebody had to tell them which candidates to send money to, and how much. Wouldn't that have seemed just a bit fishy? I don't know if the RNC violated Texas election laws, though; and so far they haven't indicted Ken Mehlman...

[The Traveler]

7. Good point

Now let's see some more indictments. And convictions. And Rethuglicans in privatized prison systems.

[kentuck]

8. Thanks for the nomination ,,,

I think it is worth discussing...

[RC]

9. No. Because only Texas law was broken.

No Federal laws. The RNC is safe at the moment

[kentuck]

10. So the RNC did not break Texas law ?

Because they are in Washington DC?

[RC]

11. Something like that.

They can also claim ignorance in this money laundering scam.

[Liberal In Texas]

12. If they do business in Texas, and broke the law, they're liable too.

It's like if your insurance company is based in New Hampshire or somewhere, and they come to your state and do business it still means they have to abide by the laws.

Any company doing business in Texas (or any other state) is obliged to check out and follow the law.

I belive because of this, they could be sued in federal court.

[unblock]

13. who exactly at the rnc do you think knew enough details?

it's entirely plausible that delay and his cronies at the pac engineered the whole thing and kept the rnc in the dark. as far as the rnc knew, they got donations from a legitimate pac and spent money on legitimate texas races. it's not clear that anyone at rnc knew that the pac money was corporate.

[alittlelark]

15. If that is true, then the RNC is pathetically negligent.

They have a reputation to uphold. They can uphold it easily by checking THE BASICS.

They wrote a very large check to TrimPac in the exact amount that the check from TrimPac came into their coffers......

uh,.... money laundering...?

They were either PATHETIC in their negligence or they were complicit. Either way....SNAFU.

[alittlelark]

14. They'll pin it on some volunteer, or low-level paper pusher..

... if they cannot they will claim it was a Dem operative in their ranks.


They are soooo predictable.

[New Earth]

16. they're all guilty!

every damn one of them :mad:

[gordianot]

17. It's like convicting Al Capone of tax evasion.

He was guilty of much more and everyone knew it, but tax evasion was a charge that would stick.

The modern Republican party has a record that would put Al to shame. Tom is going to get nailed on $100,000 because some accountant got sloppy with Texas donations and transferred in a form that was traceable. Some lowly accountant in either Texas or the beltway has been sweating blood for a few months. Hope his insurance is paid up.

[jmowreader]

21. Eliot Ness was prepared to go after Capone's other crimes

If all you know about Ness's war on Al Capone is what was in The Untouchables, you only know some of the story.

Eliot Ness had a whole slew of stuff he knew would stick--murder, Volstead Act, you name it and he was ready to go to court on it. However, the real goal was to put Capone in prison. If Ness took all of it to court in one batch and Capone had bought a jury (which he did), Capone could be found not guilty and walk on it all--and it would have been unconstitutional to try him again in a non-paid-off court.

Hence the tax evasion trial. If he lost that, he had a fallback Volstead Act trial, and if he lost THAT he had a fallback murder trial. In the meantime, Capone would be sitting in jail, branded a flight risk and therefore not eligible for parole. (This is the great legacy of the Untouchables--even today when someone does a lot of things and they just want his ass off the streets, they bring in one charge against him so they have fallback crimes in case the first one goes the wrong way.)

Ness won the tax evasion trial, though, so the trials for the good stuff were never necessary.

[gordianot]

22. Today Republicans have much better connections with Prosecutors and Judges

They thought they had Al nailed several times before trying tax evasion. Al's reach probably included some Federal judges.

Delay seems to be a little cocky about this, but so was Spiro Agnew look what happened to him. Someone got tired of Al's war on the street, someone wanted to get rid of Spiro before Nixon resigned or was removed with impeachment, I suspect similar someones are embarrassed with Tom and his enemies list got too big.

[jmowreader]

23. Don't use Agnew as the example here

Use General MacArthur.

At the printing plant I worked at, our stripper was 30 when MacArthur got fired. He told me once that the real reason MacArthur got fired was that President Truman, who MacArthur hated, flew overseas to see MacArthur, and MacArthur wouldn't let Truman get off the plane until MacArthur was damn good and ready to see him. IOW, MacArthur thought he was God and Truman let him know he was mortal.

We all know DeLay thinks he's the government--think back to when he got told to put his cigar out and he started screaming that he was the federal government and could do any damn thing he wanted. Add to that the fact that the rest of Congress is scared shitless of him, and I think they just want his ass gone.

Agnew doesn't really work as an example because DeLay's too far down the foodchain. If Bush gets canned, DeLay will not replace him at the helm. And since we should only be so lucky as to run a Democrat against Tom DeLay for president (you'd think it was 1984 all over again, with DeLay playing the part of Walter Mondale), he'll never be allowed to run for president.

They're just trying to get rid of the SOB. This works.