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tavalon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-05 07:49 PM
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What is the discussion about tularemia?
And what does it have to do with the march? What did I miss?
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-05 07:54 PM
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1. someone said they were sick after the march
Edited on Sat Oct-01-05 07:54 PM by madrchsod
the dc hls said the germs were in the bio traps. they decided that the dry conditions and people kicking up dirt caused the problem. much to do about nothing
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tocqueville Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-05 07:57 PM
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2. except that tularemia is not normally present there naturally
so where does it come from ? and why on the 24th
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-05 08:08 PM
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5. I have some questions for the authorities -
How often are the filters that had tularemia tested? When were they last tested? What is the geographic location of each of the 6 positive test sites? Which strain of tularemia was found - the mild strain or the highly lethal strain? How many cases of tularemia have been found in wildlife in the DC area in the past 10 years, and what species and geographic location were they?

I am not willing to accept anybody's word that this is a natural occurence without a great deal of additional investigation.
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-05 08:05 PM
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4. There is SPECULATION about "dry conditions and dirt" but that
doesn't cut it with me. Tularemia is rare on the eastern seabord as far as I can tell. This supposed explanation doesn't make any sense to me.

But what do I know? I'm just a veterinarian with a special interest in zoonoses.
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-05 08:03 PM
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3. here ya go: thread is long and there are links to other discussions of it
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x1819039#1819641

One poster is a DVM and also holds a degree in microbiology. Long thread but worth the read for the info that person offers.
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wiley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-05 08:13 PM
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6. Someone could have brought a dog with a tick
Or had some dirt on their feet from Illinois or somewhere. Someone also could have dumpred or thrown dog sh*t. Or they could have eaten a rabbit that was infected. One case of someone being sick, the mall sensors went off. We should have such good sensors everywhere.
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-05 08:29 PM
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Just keep telling yourself somebody wouldn't release a bio agent
Fact is, they already have.

There's plenty of naturally occurring anthrax in the soils where I live, but it didn't get into Congressmen's mail from some dog.
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truth2power Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-05 08:29 PM
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7. That doesn't make sense to me, Wiley...
How could the tularemia get from the tick to the sensors? Can dog feces contain the bacteria? Just asking. Doesn't seem to scan for me.
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wiley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-02-05 01:36 PM
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9. Rabbit feces as well.
Many states have 5 or 6 cases of Tularemia a year.
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-02-05 02:54 PM
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10. Nope. None of these are rational explanations for what happened.
6 separate locations around the Mall.

Tularemia is not spread from person-to-person via the respiratory tract, so they aren't going to be exhaling it to where it would wind up in the filters.

All known outbreaks of inhalational tularemia have been rural according to a JAMA article about tularemia as a bioweapon (lost the link).
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wiley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-03-05 12:56 AM
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11. Knowing that the US military once stockpiled it as a biological weapon
makes me no less unsuspicious. Maybe the dry weather had something to do with it. Or maybe not.
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-03-05 11:59 PM
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12. Tularemia survives best in moist environments. Dryness is the enemy.
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wiley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-04-05 01:55 AM
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13. Some of the ways you can develop one of 6 types of tularemia
http://tinyurl.com/bk7hn

Clinical Syndrome(s)

The illness

Depending on the route of infection, there are six forms of tularemia: typhoidal, ulceroglandular, glandular, oculoglandular, oropharyngeal and pneumonic tularemia. These categories serve only to describe the predominant symptom in each syndrome; overlapping symptoms are common in all six forms. Incubation period is approximately 3-5 days but can range from 1 to 21 days (13) .

Ulceroglandular tularemia (21-87% of cases in the United States) (14, 15)

As the name implies, this form is characterized by a skin ulcer and an enlarged and tender lymph node enlargement. The skin lesion starts as a red painful papule which becomes necrotic and produces a tender ulcer with a raised border. The skin ulcer generally represents the site of entry of the bacteria, either through a bite or contact with infected tissue on a pre-existing cut (14) . See Figure 2.


Figure 2. Skin lesions of tularemia. ( http://phil.cdc.gov/phil/default.asp )

Glandular tularemia (3 to 20% of cases in the United States) (15)

Glandular tularemia is distinguished from ulceroglandular tularemia when tender, enlarged lymphadenopathy is present without evident skin lesions. In either case, the lymph node can be fluctuant and may spontaneously drain purulent material. Surgical drainage should be considered if spontaneous drainage does not occur.

Other illnesses may mimic glandular tularemia and include:

* Bacterial lymph node infection
* Cat-scratch disease (Bartonella hensellae)
* Syphillis
* Chancroid
* Lymphogranuloma venereum
* Tuberculosis
* Non-tuberculosis mycobacterial infection
* Toxoplasmosis
* Sporotrichosis
* Rat-bite fever
* Herpes Simplex Virus infection

Other potential agents of bioterrorism include

* Anthrax
* Plague

Oculoglandular tularemia (0 to 5% of cases) (15)

When F. tularensis gains entry to the conjunctiva through direct contact from contaminated hands or splashes, the illness is called oculoglandular tularemia. The presentation is typically unilateral complaints of photophobia and excessive tearing and physical exam can reveal eyelid swelling, redness of the conjunctiva and less commonly conjunctival ulcerations.

Pharyngeal tularemia ((0 to 12% of cases) (15)

When the skin ulcer of tularemia is located in the oropharynx, typically occurring after eating or drinking contaminated foods or water, the syndrome is called pharyngeal tularemia. Patients may present with sore throat with ulcers and exudates seen in the pharynx or tonsils. When patients come from areas where tularemia is endemic, and present with severe sore throat not responsive to penicillin therapy, the possibility of tularemia should be entertained.

Typhoidal tularemia (5-30% of cases) (15)

Patients presenting with a febrile illness caused by F. tularensis but without lymph node enlargement or skin or eye ulcers, are described as having typhoidal tularemia. The mode of transmission may include direct contact with infected animals or tissue, bites from arthropods or inhaling aerosolized bacteria.

Pneumonic tularemia (7-20% of cases) (15)

Patients with this form of tularemia present with pneumonia as the predominant symptom. The route of transmission may be through inhalation of aerosolized bacteria or from seeding of the lung through the blood stream from another source, such as a skin ulcer.

Naturally occurring primary pneumonic tularemia can be seen in certain high-risk professions, such as sheep shearers, farmers and laboratory workers. (6) (16) Common symptoms include fever, dry cough, substernal chest pain and pleuritic chest pain. Chest radiographs may reveal enlarged hilar nodes lobar infiltrates and pleural effusion.
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-04-05 10:37 AM
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14. Learned all this in pathogenic bacteriology - AARRRGGGHHHH -
the class that made my brain explode. Repeatedly.
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jus_the_facts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-05 08:31 PM
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8. Tularemia....Can Cause Pneumonia and Systemic Infection..found in DC....
Edited on Sat Oct-01-05 08:32 PM by jus_the_facts
Sept. 30, 2005 -- A relatively rare biological agent has been detected in air filters serving Washington D.C. in recent weeks, ABC News has learned — but current evidence does not show any indication whatsoever of terrorism.

The federal government found six air filters around the nation´s capital checked on Sept. 24 and 25 contained "trace amounts" of tularemia, a type of bacteria.

Subsequent tests by the Centers for Disease Control confirmed low levels of the bacteria.

Tularemia causes flu-like symptoms, including fever, chills and muscle pain, but it is not generally considered life threatening. People who inhale the bacteria, however, can experience severe respiratory illness, including pneumonia and systemic infection if they are not treated, according to the CDC.

No additional traces have been detected since Sept. 24 and 25. One law enforcement official said drought conditions in Washington and heavy pedestrian traffic may have sent particles airborne. No biodefense sensors have gone off.

There are concerns about tularemia being used as a bioweapon, because it is highly infectious, and a small amount of bacteria can cause disease. It can remain alive for weeks in water and soil.

http://www.abcnews.go.com/US/Health/story?id=1174699

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