Gore? Convince me.

[Gold Metal Flake]

Eight years of standing by while Clinton appeased the corporations that now threaten to enslave us. Fell on his sword in 2000.

How would a President Gore change the world?

How would he compare to, say, a President Wellstone (work with me), Hartmann or RFK, Jr., for example.
How would a Pres. Gore stop the advance of the multinationals?
How would Pres. Gore deal with the Bush Crime Family (if you don't know what I mean, stay out of this thread).
How would Pres. Gore get our national wealth back?
What would Pres. Gore do with the Blackwater, Caci etc. private armies on our soil?
How would Pres. Gore control the rabid Petro-nazis?
What would Pres. Gore do about China?
How would a Pres. Gore deal with the army of Neo-Cons, overt and covert, that infect the Pentagon, the intelligence community, the law enforcement community, the military and in government so as to head-off a fascist revolution and prevent it's future growth?
How would a Pres. Gore deal with the massive wealth and power of the charasmatic fundie cults?
Would a Pres. Gore prosecute the repukes for their crimes?
Would a Pres. Gore make the corporations pay their fair share of taxes, and require them to deal with ALL of their waste and polution, instead of making the people pay for the cleanup?
Would a Pres. Gore obtain and secure (not ask, not bargain for) the Presidential papers of Reagan, Bush, Clinton & Bush now being illegally secreted by the Bush Crime Family?

Just how different would a Gore Presidency be?

[zulchzulu]

1. I worked for Bradley in 2000

It was tragic...I remember Al being an asshole to Bill Bradley in one of the primary debates. I like Al for the most part, but...

[flaminbats]

69. not many of us around..

most of those who supported Gore over Bradley don't even remember the primaries in 2000, we who supported Bradley held our noses and voted for Gore in November.

There was very little enthusiasm for Gore in 2000, most of his votes came from Democrats who knew Bush would be a disaster or independents who didn't want a change in government. Most of Bush's votes came from die-hard supporters of his father and some Perot voters who blindly blamed Gore for the Monica Lewinsky affair.

Bradley had a popular healthcare plan, a plan to reduce the debt, and lacked any association of the hyped-up scandals associated with the Clinton administration. Glad to find a former Bradley backer! :pals:

[mitchtv]

2. for one thing, he can win

He doesn't have the millstone of Iraq around his neck. I like him, that's another reason for me. True, he is not perfect, but you never get that. I would predict a prompt withdrawal from Iraq. I would think things like Social Security, and medicare might be better protected, we would try to catch up to the rest of the first world and get national health insurance. I love him on the environment.

[Gold Metal Flake]

8. Winning is not enough.

If he wins, then serves as some sort of Clinton lite, we will have won very little.

I want to know if Gore has what it takes to go to war with the most powerful and dangerous criminals this country has ever produced. I think he can win, too. But I am not sure he will be willing to make a real difference.

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[Gold Metal Flake]

16. Huh?

"spare me the faux liberal BS."

I just asked some honest questions. For my effort, I get nothing but flames. How about clearing out of this thread, and allow those who truely know the man, and who are of a calm and steady disposition, to weigh in.

This nis an opportunity to showcase the man. So far, the respondents have showcased only angry attitudes.

[mzmolly]

21. Honest questions?

That's debatable.

If you want to know where Gore stood on the issues when he ran for President, check this link for one:

http://www.issues2000.org/Al_Gore.htm

[Gold Metal Flake]

24. Any real Gore supporters in DU tonight?

[mzmolly]

28. Any real liberals "in" DU tonight?

???

[mzmolly]

3. If your not convinced after the past 6 years, I have no patience for you

frankly.

As a Minnesotan I can say without hesitation that Wellstone had no trepidation supporting Al Gore.

[SammyWinstonJack]

4. Well said!

:applause:

[Gold Metal Flake]

6. Convinced by what, exactly?

Was that a reference to Bush? Bush being the greatest evil this country has ever faced does not answer any of my questions.

The questions I have asked are not that hard to answer, are they?

Is it that you can't answer the questions with anything but hope, faith and assumptions?

[mzmolly]

10. If the questions posed are not hard to answer, answer them yer damn self.

:hi:

You have google, do the "math."

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[mzmolly]

26. Ask a rational question and I'll gladly engage in a polite manner.

I'll move along as you wish. I hope you'll educate yourself before posting such BS in the future.

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[Gold Metal Flake]

48. See the OP

I do not believe you are in this thread to further the conversation.

[Southsideirish]

7. Me neither. If you don't know that Al Gore is the best candidate the Dems

have run in the last 50 years then Google his background and find out for yourself.

[Gold Metal Flake]

12. Another non-response.

Not looking too good for Gore in this thread.

[mzmolly]

15. To another non-question.

Not looking too good for you in this thread.

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[mzmolly]

22. No, YOU'RE looking for a flamewar.

:hi:

[Gold Metal Flake]

25. ??

[Skip Intro]

72. whooo hoooo!!!!!!!

[Skip Intro]

5. He would do all of that, and be faster than a speeding bullet. Q2U -

Who would you have instead?

More people wanted Gore president than wanted bush. Can you imagine a full-on retribution factor for 2000 plus the current and expanding anti-bush generation - Gore can pull that together better than anyone I can think of.

Gore would have a draw of voters, would have such an effect on the nation, would have the media by the **** - he's been vetted by those bastards - can you imagine the fits fox news would fall into?

Gore would have my vote.

[Gold Metal Flake]

9. You could try answering the questions with some facts.

Or is that too hard?

[Skip Intro]

31. no need to be insulting

I gave you my reasoning for Gore, and I seriously doubt I have the answers you seek.

Can you answer my question? Who would you have instead?

[Gold Metal Flake]

34. Not trying to insult you.

Your question is not helpful, but I will answer you truthfully. I want the guy who will do the things I ask in my OP. Does that person exist?

I think the candidate would need a bullet-proof skull and be able to personally fly should his aircraft, uh, "lose power". Know what I mean?

[Skip Intro]

68. man. I think my question it is helpful, and I think my answer is still my

answer.

No one fits your ideal. Gore is as close as we come now, and I think way closeer than anyone else who might realistically run.

He's got a lot going for him, not the least of which is to be able to say "I told you so." Played correctly, Gore would be unbeatable.

And yeah, I'm ok with him on policy. I wish the hell we were enduring Gore policy rather than bush policy, don't you?

[UTUSN]

11. Shrub. Convinced Yet? Gee, THAT Was Easy. n/t

[Gold Metal Flake]

14. That's not an answer.

Wow. It's as if this Gore guy is a complete unknown here.

[mzmolly]

17. Wow, it's as if that Bush guy is a complete unknown here.

Or, that one guy who claims to be a liberal yet makes bullshit comparisons to Gore and Bush. What's unknown is the fact that Gore is a far cry from Bush and I for one, refuse to educate those who can't be educated.

[UTUSN]

18. Answer? You Want a Steenking Answer? O.K.

13,001 angels dance on the head of a pin.

[DU9598]

23. As long as no Joementum

If he picks a progressive woman or minority all the better.

[Gold Metal Flake]

27. He accepted Joementum.

One of the things that has me worried. He didn't fight for a better running mate.

[SammyWinstonJack]

32. So what is your agenda here? You don't like Gore? Fine.

Last I knew he wasn't in a position to affect anything, remember Pinhead** and the Supreme Court stole the election, so how are we to know what he actually would have done while in office? Haven't you anything better to do tonight? Anything constructive that is?

[Gold Metal Flake]

35. See 33.

[FreedomAngel82]

62. That was in 2000 hon

Things were way different then. Who do you think he endorsed in 2004? Howard Dean. Says a lot doesn't it? Also, go to cspan.org and in the video search engine type in his name and look for some of his later date speeches.

[mzmolly]

30. How bout Condi Rice?

Joementum is no Cheney, and is progressive on MOST issues.

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[mzmolly]

41. You seem to not to want to ask honest contstructive questions.

Joe Lieberman is wrong on the war, yet right on most other issues.

Me leave? I'll leave when you quit asking me questions.

I know, how bout you leave first?

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[FreedomAngel82]

64. Look who started the thread!

LOL!

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[SammyWinstonJack]

75. Oh that's rich! LOL

[Baconfoot]

29. Gore -"I believe we have a duty to hold President Bush accountable"

I don't know if you have read any of Gore's recent speeches but I would highly recommend doing so. Here is a good one to start with:
Gore on the Iraq war in May of 2004
It's one of my favorites because in it he calls for the resignation of Rice, Tenet, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, Feith and Cambone and ends with the line "I believe we have a duty to hold President Bush accountable"

Then you might want to take a look at some of his other more recent speeches:
More Speeches

However, from your questions it looks like you might actually want to start with his Senate history. Here is his voting record:
Gore's Voting Record
Of course, you'd actually have to look up the legislative history of any particular bill to get a picture of Gore's role or lack thereof on any particular bill.

[Gold Metal Flake]

33. Dude, it's his speaches that get me excited.

But what if he takes office, and starts compromising?

Can we survive that?

Yes, I will look at your references, and any useful info, but, if you read the original post carefully, you would have recognized what is truely behind it. What the others posters could not grasp.

I am afraid.

The evil in this country was not eliminated in 1934. They came back.

They have never been as powerful, not even in the Gilded Age.

You damn well know that if the Neo-con structure, Rummy's evil Pentagon structure, the corporatocracy, the jackels in the CIA and elsewhere, the antichrist fundie fucks and their supporters are not neutralized, they will simply regroup and come back stronger.

What happened after Watergate? The weaker elements were given up, and power consolidated.

Think about what a President Gore would have before him! He will be attacted in ways we can maybe only barely comprehend (by "we", I have to except certain respondents in this thread).

Can this guy do it? Could Clark? Could Dean?

Whatever "progressive" wins would have to create a battle machine the likes of which we have NEVER seen. Or, it will just be a brief pause until the next, and far more violent, RW coup.

[mzmolly]

36. OMG

Have you no better antics?

Gore must frighten the likes of you - and with good reason.

*yawn*

GORE IN 08! He scares the Neo-cons!

[UTUSN]

37. Any Dem/Lib/"Progressive" Will Look Good after Shrub n/t

[Gold Metal Flake]

39. Rediculous.

I refuse to tread water.

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[SammyWinstonJack]

45. Rediculous?

Spell check is your friend. :eyes: And I am suppose to take you seriously here?

[Gold Metal Flake]

55. I don't care.

[SammyWinstonJack]

57. Really? So why start this thread?

[goodhue]

40. Way different.

He would push antitrust enforcement way beyond anything the Clintons would. We would explicitly take the fossil fuel industry to task.

[Gold Metal Flake]

46. I want to belive that.

But I have no faith. How sure are you of what you write?

[FreedomAngel82]

67. How are you sure of what you write?

Same question for you hon.

[babyk]

42. Do some people here think Bush is running in 08?

ABB worked so well in 04 looks like everyone can't wait to lose again.

To answer the original questions: Gore isnt going to be President.

[mzmolly]

47. Do others here think that other Neocons differ from Bush?

Was the election stolen or not? If so, ABB worked. If not, it came closer than any other party.

To answer the original question, I hope Gore runs and that we restore honest elections.

[SammyWinstonJack]

49. I hope Gore runs. nt

[TreasonousBastard]

51. Frankly, my dear, I don't give a damn...

about Gore, Hillary, Clark, Alfred E. Neuman, or anyone else who might be running in '08.

Around January, 2007, you'll probably be hearing the name Jon Corzine being floated around anyway, if not sooner. And a few other names will pop up out of the blue. Names we've never thought of before.

Ya see, no pol is going to be thinking seriously about '08 until they see what happens in '06. Around 500 congresscritters and governors will be elected by then, and we'll see just what the mood of the country REALLY is. Then comes the mad dash. Remember, THEY don't have a candidate either, and will have fewer choices.

Meanwhile, I have a Governor to get elected, at least two congresscritters to fire, and a couple of new Senators to deal with long before '08. And the mayor, county freeloaders, and school board are up again.

So I just don't give a damn about who's running for President.

[Alva Goldbook]

52. Gore Sucked.

I was writing a similar piece about this. You heard over and over that "I would vote for a ham and cheese sandwich over Bush" well, Kerry was that ham and cheese. Gore was the tunafish in rancid mayonaise.

check this out:

<a href="http://nitwitplanet.blogspot.com/2005/09/open-letter-to-dlc-democrats.html"> An Open Letter To The DLC Democrats</a>

[SammyWinstonJack]

66. Someone sucks here and it isn't Gore. nt

[mzmolly]

71. Uhm, what is Bush in your petty world of sandwich analogies?

:eyes:

[Tower]

53. I'm not sure where I stand on Gore, honestly- but I do know this:

Al Gore winning the presidency in 2008 would be the PERFECT symbol for the end of the conservative coup, and a clear "fuck you, you're over" to neocons.

[mzmolly]

74. Here here!

:toast:

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[Gold Metal Flake]

58. The questions in the OP address the most important issues facin our nation

Yet, few will directly address them.

[SammyWinstonJack]

70. You have no credibility. And since Gore never actually took office,

why are you bringing what you think he wouldn't have done? Flame-bait for sure. Haven't you anything better to do tonight?

[UTUSN]

56. This Thread Is SURE FlameBait:

1) Does not accept any reasonable responses.

2) Continues to CARP CARP CARP.

3) Attacks an undeniable Dem.



ALERT!!!!!!!!!!!!

[UTUSN]

59. P.S., Anybody Not Convinced by 2000 Is WAY Sluggish n/t

[Gold Metal Flake]

61. What are you talking about?

Bushco and the SCOTUS stole the election. What did Gore do about it?

[UTUSN]

63. Um, and You're Doing Exactly WHAT---NOW?

Buh-bye.

[FreedomAngel82]

60. If you really want to know

go to http://www.algore04.com/ if you want.

[Blue_Roses]

73. what an arrogant post

convince you? of what?

First of all, Al Gore has not announced that he is running for President in '08 and secondly, to "convince you" makes me see that your mind is already made up...against Democratic policies.

No, CONVINCE US why we should answer such an outlandish question besides a history from years gone by. Much has changed since this administration...

oh, why bother:eyes:

[The Magistrate]

76. Locking

Flame-Bait producing a flame-war.