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Must_B_Free Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-22-05 09:34 PM
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You do realize this oil crisis is contrived, don't you?
Edited on Thu Sep-22-05 09:40 PM by Must_B_Free
It's all about "changing america". The plan for america was telecast in June. Everything from Fox's little movie Oil Storm is happening as scheduled. Read the synopsis if you want to see the plan:

http://www.fxnetworks.com/shows/originals/oilstorm/main.html

Don't worry, it has a happy ending. After the oil corps end up with all of our money, a new american spirit reinvented, and gas stays at $4 a gallon permanantly.

And this?
"More than 100 armed militants on Thursday stormed a US-operated oil platform in Nigeria, the world's eighth largest exporter, in response to the arrest of a militia leader.

Armed with assault rifles, fighters in speed boats invaded the Idama platform operated by Chevron in the southern Niger Delta, while in the capital a judge ordered Mujahid Dokubo-Asari to be held in jail for two weeks pending treason charges.

"Eight boats, each carrying 15 armed people, occupied the Idama flow station. Six government security forces had their weapons taken from them," a source close to Chevron said.

"Apparently the militants are now heading for more stations. The situation can only get worse."


OOPS! I guess gas will just get more expensive... darn the luck.. I wonder who is behind those mercenaries... I can't imagine...

Just remember:

"We're an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality. And while you're studying that reality -- judiciously, as you will -- we'll act again, creating other new realities, which you can study too, and that's how things will sort out. We're history's actors . . . and you, all of you, will be left to just study what we do."

If you think this is not all script, then god bless you; enjoy the ignorance, it must be blissful... This is just like the CA electricy crisis - contrived for profit.
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Matariki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-22-05 09:42 PM
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1. sure, sure. "They're" All Powerful
"They" create hurricanes, etc. Resistance is futile.

sheesh.
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Must_B_Free Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-22-05 09:43 PM
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2. no no - it's just all a big coincidence
the oil men are just really really lucky, that explains it...
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-22-05 09:44 PM
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3. The record RECORD profits make it pretty damn obvious.
We are being e-x-p-l-o-i-t-e-d!!!
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Tace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-22-05 09:51 PM
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6. Duh! Welcome To Capitalism
Sure, it's contrived to maximize profits, but we're definitely at peak oil. If you want to think something else, go ahead. Just don't expect me to, unless you can show me the oil in the ground. It's not there. At least the geologists can't find it. Maybe we should get Pat Robertson on the case.

BTW, here's an excellent peak oil site run by scientists:

http://www.energybulletin.net/
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drduffy Donating Member (739 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-22-05 09:48 PM
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4. the current oil crisis
is not, i think, entirely contrived. There was real damage done. But it plays out on the backdrop of peak oil.... which is here. And in spite of the profits the oil companies make, it is downhill from now on for oil availability (no mo cheap energy for us commoners and then, no mo oil period for us), for the economy - which is gonna tank big time as capitalism fails to expand and grow but begins to contract. And the debt.... well no more counting on the future to pay off the current debt load. And when purchasers of America's debt call due...... Lions and Dragons and Bears in the Woods..... oh my!
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Must_B_Free Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-22-05 09:51 PM
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5. peak oil is a recurring myth
to keep trends churning and dollars rolling.

Recall it's not even about crude oil, its a shortage in refinery capacity that is causing the high prices now.

The "gas shortage" was fake in the early 70s, it was fake in the late 70s, it's fake now. This whole planet is literally swimming in oil.
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-22-05 09:54 PM
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8. oops, have to disagree with you there. Peak Oil is a certainty.
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Tace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-22-05 09:55 PM
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9. NOT -- I Simply Cannot Agree With You
And I've been studying this for 20 years. I'm not going to take the time to try to convince you. You seem pretty far behind the curve on this.
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Must_B_Free Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-22-05 10:03 PM
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12. how much oil is there left then?
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wallwriter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-22-05 10:11 PM
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14. Not an effective retort.
I am not a petrochemical engineer, so I can't comment technically on the veracity of peak oil theory. I do know, though, that there is extensive writing of arguments supporting the idea that peak oil is coming or actually here now.

You can't make an effective argument by saying, "Oh, you're behind the curve," because the arguments are current and numerous.

If they are indeed wrong, which may be possible, then you have to cite some convincing arguments and evidence to that effect.


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Must_B_Free Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-22-05 10:15 PM
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15. it could be at peak, but I doubt it
for these reasons
1. increased efficiency in usage of petrol.
2. more refineries could be built.
3. shale oil extraction process now financially feasible.
4. we were similarly deceived in recent history.
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wallwriter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-22-05 10:25 PM
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16. I'm not convinced
1. Increased efficiency doesn't match explosive scale of growth in China or India.
2. Low refinery capacity is one cause of shortages and price increases, but peaking production of Saudi oil fields is almost certain, as per recent Sunday Times, and all the refineries in the world won't change that.
3. Not only am I not convinced that shale oil extraction is financially feasible, but I also believe that extensive environmental damage and massive requirements of water would overtax already precious resources. (cf. National Geographic)
4. I'm not sure that this makes a difference
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-22-05 10:03 PM
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11. The "myth" is that we MUST BE DEPENDENT upon oil.
We are not in shortage; however, we have reached the peak of oil production,...there is no doubt about that based upon upteens scientists and geologists studies.

The profiteering and exploitation is the absolutism of oil dependency when that "myth" is simply bullshit. There are so many solid alternatives,...being bought up by the big oil corporations for purposes of exploiting humanity.
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morgan2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-22-05 09:53 PM
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7. the crisis isnt contrived
its a result of poor planning, and oppurtunists ready to milk the situation for all its worth.
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Must_B_Free Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-22-05 10:02 PM
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10. and the CA electricity gouging? also a coincidence?
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-22-05 10:07 PM
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13. Ummm,...not "poor planning" but rather intentional "milking".
The alternative resources are available. The greedy corporatocracy exploits a PLANNED "dependence" ON PURPOSE in order to "milk" (eg EXPLOIT) humanity for every cent it can get.
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drduffy Donating Member (739 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-22-05 10:25 PM
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17. Peak oil is simply
the top of the bell curve. Demand has, in fact, exceeded capacity for a couple of months now. Irrespective of Katrina. And yes, refineries did get damaged and about 20 oil rigs disabled or disappeared (and each had several wells so flow is way down, obviously). But Katrina just brought home the reality of oil issues but is really separable from the isse of peak oil per se. The powers that be have realized this for a while. It's why we are in the middle east. It's why we play chicken with Hugo Chavez. It's why China makes deals for oil with Venezeula and Canada and various African nations. It is why everything is going to go to shit.... if not global war then at least back to 1910 life style here. And this isn't even counting the issue of the green revolution, its dependence upon oil and nat gas based fertilizers.... so if no fertilizer (or not much) then think..... 2-4 billion people starving. The ground will simply not yield the necessary amount of food without fertizers.

Everything will change.

look at the data. : http://www.lifeaftertheoilcrash.net/

just one of many many sites devoted to this issue. Take a look at Yellow Springs, Ohio (home of Antioch College) and what they have done/are doing to prepare for what they quite rightly realize is the end of the current style of living in America.
http://www.communitysolution.org/

just get informed. Denial ain't gonna save you. Imagining this is some sort of plot is simply idiocy.
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