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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 07:12 PM
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This show Ted Koppel is hosting on NOLA is excellent >
He's going day by day. He showed Bush talking about Medicare while New Orleans floods. The last speaker just said "the federal govt was oblivious."

http://tv.yahoo.com/tvpdb?.src=my&d=tvp&lineup=us_Eastern&channels=us_ABC&id=169540508&chspid=166034662&chname=ABC+&progutn=1126832400&.intl=us

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Lorien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 07:13 PM
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1. Just tuned in
Pretty good so far. I hope it results in Chertof's resignation as well.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 07:18 PM
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2. saying by Tues. aft. NO was in chaos with looting and gangs.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 07:19 PM
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3. 500, then more buses requested--with 'they are on their way" response.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 07:20 PM
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4. limited number of Coast Guard plugging people off rooftops. all directed
to superdome --but trucks were few.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 07:21 PM
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5. talking of how those who walked out of NO were turned back at the
border of well to do parishes--cause these towns wanted to protect them-selves.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 07:22 PM
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6. showed a FEMA saying water was actually going down!!
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 07:23 PM
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7. showed Chertoff just announcing he just learned of levee on Tues. What
a joke!!
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 07:24 PM
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9. NO Homeland Sec officer started directed people to Convention Center.
umm... I did not that.
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 07:24 PM
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11. when the actual first breach was 8:30 Monday morning
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 07:24 PM
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8. Wasn't that Brown?
I think it was. He says he "doesn't wan't to alarm people that New Orleans is filling up like a bowl." Says it isn't happening.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 07:25 PM
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12. NO, they showed Cherkoff saying this. I heard him!
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 07:27 PM
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16. Oh I meant when it was the press conf with Blanco & Landrieu
And the guy standing behind them interrupts them to say the flooding is not that bad - that's the guy I thought was Brown.
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 07:28 PM
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18. Now they have Blanco early Weds morning TRYING to reach the president
(Remember he was still on vacation until later that morning when he did his first flyover of the disaster."
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 07:37 PM
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28. then they said she finally reached him at 2:20 pm!!
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Lorien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 07:47 PM
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From the report; the flyover seemed to be for a photo op only n/t.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 07:49 PM
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52. it was!!
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 07:28 PM
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19. oh ok, but no not Brown. Ted identified him as as the New Orleans Home-
Edited on Thu Sep-15-05 07:30 PM by rodeodance
land security person. I did not catch a name if he said it.
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 07:31 PM
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20. oh okay thanks
they just showed Bush's flyover
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 07:33 PM
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22. showing helicopters dropping people off on the highway with no water
no shelter, no evacuation

Now they are showing volunteers being turned away
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Tatiana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 07:47 PM
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48. No, that was another FEMA official. They didn't identify him.
They should.
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dooner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-16-05 09:54 AM
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73. Identified as a Republican Senator from Louisiana

That was SURPRISING... he basicly interrupted eveyone at a press conference explaining the damange and need for help by saying 'it's not that bad... New Orleans is NOT filling up like a bowl of water"
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dooner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-16-05 10:03 AM
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74. Yep, this guy... David Vitter (R - Louisianna)
(I could see confusing him with Brown... similar looks)

http://vitter.senate.gov/
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Tatiana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 07:46 PM
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45. I could NOT believe that! It was a surreal moment! n/t
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jasmeel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 07:24 PM
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10. The first segment talked about how Gov Blanco didn't request
anything specific just said Give me everything you've got. I know that's not true. Maybe they're trying to keep the *bots listening.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 07:26 PM
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13. Congress---we have our INDEPendent investigation!! Just listen in!
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 07:26 PM
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14. they've trashed her a bit
but they've got a deputy mayor and a reporter from the Times Picayune who are their main sources - the heat is falling more on BushCO & Chertoff.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 07:27 PM
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15. she did eventually say that--I have heard her say this before. But earlie
she had asked for specific personnel and equipment.
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Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 07:27 PM
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17. So far (first 25mins), so good BUT now we're getting to the controversial
part of the story. They did cover the turn back at the Gretna bridge. So far, not a word about the turned back aid.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 07:33 PM
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21. saying if Cherkoff was pleased, it was only because he had no notion of
what was going on on the ground in NO-

WHOW--what a crack on Cherkoff (Kopple was showing Cherkoff at the press conference saying all the good things gov. was doing).
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 07:34 PM
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23. 2"20 pm Blanco finally spoke to President--requesting lots of equipment
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 07:35 PM
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25. NO needed buses and they were none. until some arrived at midnight.
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 07:36 PM
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27. that's midnight on WEDS
and then only a few came
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 07:37 PM
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30. yes.
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 07:38 PM
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33. It's just unbelievable
It's inexcusable. It has to be criminal.
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Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 07:37 PM
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29. I think Cherkoff feigned a lot of ignorance to cover his ass....
Edited on Thu Sep-15-05 07:37 PM by Junkdrawer
"What Holocaust?", "Auschwitz? What about Auschwitz?"
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 07:39 PM
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34. which is worse--HIM NOT knowing what he should know!--or feigning
ignorance!?

Ted. K shows Cherkoff did NOT know what the hell was going on!!

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Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 07:43 PM
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39. Chertoff claims to have heard of the Convention Center Thurs. evening...
By Wednesday, everyone at DU was outraged about the Convention Center..

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4828771
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 07:34 PM
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24. ON WEDS BLANCO DIDN'T REACH BUSH UNTIL 2:30 PM!
She had been trying to reach him since early morning. That would be the morning of the FLYOVER PHOTO-OP.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 07:36 PM
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26. When the WH wants to talk to someone they find a way. Obviously, they
were not that interested!!
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 07:38 PM
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31. Apparently not! She was calling him from early in the morning
but she only spoke to aides. Imagine that! The Gov of LA in the worst human disaster this country has seen in decades, and Bush can't come to the PHONE?
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faithnotgreed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 07:38 PM
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32. thank you stephanie & rodeodance for the play by play
sounds really good so far
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 07:41 PM
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36. now showing bush at a press conference--reading a script-clueless!!
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 07:42 PM
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37. Cherkoff "the superdome is sucure" (press conf)--then showed Converntion
Center!
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 07:43 PM
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41. Ted is contracting what CherKoff/WH is saying and what is actually going
on in new orleans!! very good!!

WH--saying all is well, we are working, etc. and then show clips of people dying in hospitials, the police trying to controll things, people suffering at the con. center.
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 07:42 PM
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38. and the buses finally arrive and the busdriver says FEMA never told them
where they are supposed to drive to!
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 07:41 PM
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35. They have nurses and doctors saying they are going to withhold treatment
from the patients who can't say their name - they have to ration resources like IV nourishment, so they are triaging who can survive
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Amaya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 07:43 PM
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40. I saw this...
I'm sickened... Godamnit.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 07:45 PM
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44. now Kopple--don't you people watch TV (to BRown)--recall Ted did a
show on Wed evening (wed. right?).
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Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 07:49 PM
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51. I think that was Thursday...
Edited on Thu Sep-15-05 07:59 PM by Junkdrawer
I know Chertoff was claiming on Thursday evening that there were no "sizable number of people" at the Convention Center...again 24 hrs (or more) after the blogosphere was outraged at the lack of aid at the Convention Center.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 07:55 PM
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60. thanks.
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Tatiana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 07:44 PM
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42. I didn't see this post! Sorry!
This is an excellent program. Very damning.

Chertoff, "the superdome is secure." Showing police officer saying there was confusion. Buses finally start to arrive, but the drivers don't know where to go.

No police. No National Guard. No Red Cross. No nothing.

Woman crying, saying "I don't want to die like this."

30 times the SWAT team tried to enter the Convention Center (?) and were driven back by gunfire.

This police chief is doing a good job w/ Koppel. "You tell me how we were supposed to take it back over. Were we supposed to have a shootout? In the midst of CIVILIANS?"
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 07:45 PM
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43. Wow - this city emergency manager
says he has been a Marine all his life - has dealt out human suffering and seen and experienced human suffering. Says he has never seen human suffering as Weds & Thurs in New Orleans.

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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 07:46 PM
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46. yes, the police chief was a wreak also.
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 07:47 PM
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47. It's interesting the portrayal of Nagin's office
they are at the Hyatt. They have a staffer who is a young retired internet millionaire. They have no power, no phones. This guy tries every jack in the room just for kicks and he finds an internet line that's live. And from that they cobble together this communications system. It's like Lost. It's just crazy.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 07:48 PM
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49. yes, that was interesting.
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RepublicanElephant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 07:49 PM
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50. this is what happens when you privatize national security...
...you don't run government like its a freakin' for-profit corporation, especially when it comes to saving lives!
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 07:50 PM
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53. 9:02 Friday, a 'somber' Bush--left for NO says Ted.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 07:51 PM
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56. "IF Fema was responsible for the buses they failed miseralby'--but NO
had no back up plan either says Ted.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 07:53 PM
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57. many died at Convention Center. Police chief says we were fighting for
OUR lives, you understand. He was talking of the gangs at the time and the criticism of his and his officers for not maintaining order.
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 07:55 PM
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59. somber because he knew he was in deep shit
remember the staff had to break the bad news to him on Tuesday - the bad news that his vacation was going to end two days early.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 08:00 PM
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67. yeah Rove prob. told him he would give him a script on the plane to
memorize!
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Mayberry Machiavelli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-16-05 10:11 AM
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76. Actually I believe his vacation officially ended about 12 hrs early.
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 07:51 PM
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54. omg showing corpses!
after saying brownie is doing a heck of a job!
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 07:51 PM
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55. They are showing bodies in the street.
Fully showed a dead man in the street. Showing women holding tiny infants above the crowd at Superdowe begging Natl Guard to take their babies.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 07:55 PM
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58. now Gen Honare shows up. Then JR on saying that conv. center is
secure!! boy, was that an coincidence! Rove you did well to coordinate Honare coming in with the calvery and Bush having a press confernernce at the same moment!
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 07:56 PM
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62. Congress needs to see this and then try to wiggle out of responsiblity!!
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 07:56 PM
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And Bush sounded so militaristic when he said it
'One of our objectives today was to secure the Convention Center, and it has been secured.' - Sounds like he is talking about Iraq.
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 07:56 PM
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61. This is devastating chimpass**
Shows him arriving the same time as help to NO! coincidence?? :eyes:

Also the speech after saying "the convention center is secure!"

give me a fucking break.
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 07:58 PM
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65. it's nice timing, isn't it?
Five minutes before the Chimp takes the stage. Love you, Ted.

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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 08:01 PM
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68. excellent!
:toast:

To Ted!

And Stephanie and Rodeodance for the great feedback!

:toast:
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 07:59 PM
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66. my gawd--Ted said that was Sen Vitter who said the water was NOT
rising. He said he has misidentified him earlier as the NO Homeland security guy.
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dooner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-16-05 10:07 AM
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75. I was shocked by this guy's statements
Because he's a Republican, makes me wonder if this was who the Feds were listening to. (You know those Democrats are hysterical, our guy says everything is fine..)

That clip needs to be highlighted by dems for the next senate race.
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RepublicanElephant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 07:56 PM
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63. interesting...
...troops enter city after dubya's visit.

like they had to wait for the emperor's chariot to pass by first.
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NRaleighLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 07:57 PM
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64. * in his own words on this show - just as damning as F911...
How remarkable it is that nearly half of our country can listen to the crap that he spews and find it profound...or, even worse, true! Koppel's show - esp. the words of our misleader - could be used as a basis for the Impeachment.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 08:02 PM
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70. The contrasts between the words of the WH and the NO on the ground
were incredible. Delicious--as it really showed how stupid they were.
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WiseButAngrySara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 08:18 PM
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72. God, I hope you're right...r.e.: IMPEACHMENT!!!!!!! n/t
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Tatiana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 08:02 PM
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69. Oh man! Simply DEVASTATING!
1) The decision to evacuate people to the Convention Center was a DHS one, not the Mayor. The city never anticipated having to provide security, police, etc. at that facility.

2) We must fix our communications systems so that we can know what is happening on the ground when we have these types of disasters.

3) All Bush administration officials were clueless, inexperienced, and/or liars.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-05 08:04 PM
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71. please nominate!
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-16-05 10:26 AM
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77. I wonder if they will rerun this show?
It was an important recap of events - very well done.
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