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benburch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-05 04:39 PM
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Internet 301 - Mole catching for fun and profit (EXPANDED)
( People have asked how I sometimes know how many people see my postings and who has seen them. To that end I bring you an >expanded< posting from the past that explained the whole technique. )

It is really very easy to catch moles who post on Right Wing boards and come here to disrupt us, and I'll tell you all how you can do it!

First, you need to have a web server that you control and which you have full access to the logs of. This isn't hard as apache is public domain and easy to configure on most platforms. Most Linux distributions will install a working apache for you at the click of a button, and MacOS X comes with Apache built in.

Second, you need to make a one pixel transparent PNG file, such as this one;

---> <---

Cant see it, can you?

The link to is is http://www.WhiteRoseSociety.org/images /example.png and you should feel free to copy it. (Remove the space just before the last / !) It contains no virus or trojan horse, just a PNG file header and a single pixel with a clear alpha channel and no color. You can also make one for yourself in The Gimp or in Photoshop easily enough.

Now, these sites could eliminate this problem if they were smart enough to either not allow the inline posting of images, or to force you to upload any images to their own hosted space, but we are talking about Right Wingers here, and almost none of them have much above a room-temperature IQ.

An even better strategy is to create an image that is so offensive or interesting to them that they will inline post it for themselves! Our good friend SwampRat can probably give you some pointers in how to do that!

Next you establish an account on the target board. Create a Yahoo mail account or similar like "NRA_Supporter" or "Condi_For_President" and use that account to log in. Say nothing a RW goon wouldn't say, EVER, no matter how odious they are. Often the best strategy is to ape their own words back to them. Once they accept you, the fun begins.

Post something really controversial here. Nothing you wouldn't be happy posting ordinarily, but make the title into a Fascist Magnet, like "Gun Control Means Killing Fascists", you know what I mean. Drop your PNG into a reply to the original message, not the original message itself.

Wait a half-hour, and then post a message on the RW board, something like "Those damned DUers are threatening to kill us! Lets turn them in!", link in the thread here, and put some nice RW clip art into your posting, something you also host on your server.

Wait.

Then compare the logs. Look for IP addresses that appear on the logs for both files. By looking at the timestamp of postings on each board, and comparing that to the hit times on the image files, you can get a pretty good idea about the IP addresses of those who replied to you message on the RW board and those that replied to your message here.

You will also see people who merely keep an eye on both places, just as you are doing, so do not be quick to accuse.

Best to repeat the exercise a couple of times to gain confidence in your identification of the trolls.

Now, if you are really nice to them, and help them make fun of "Lieberals" enough, they may even make you a moderator. As a moderator, you gain access to ALL of the IP addresses and the exact names and email addresses the come from! Or you can befriend a moderator who is not totally on "their side", and who will then rat out the worst offenders to you.

It helps to have half a dozen or so aliases to work with on each of their sites, too. Now, if you come from a fixed IP address, as many more of us do in the era of DSL, it also helps to use a proxy to mask your location. There are several anonymous proxy services you can use;

http://www.guardster.com

http://www.anonymizer.com

http://www.the-cloak.com

http://www.proxify.com

http://tor.eff.org

Now, with many of these you are only exchanging one fixed IP address, traceable to you with another traceable only to the anonymous proxy service. This can cause confusion if somebody else trolling their site picks the same proxy, and might spoil your plans. The http://tor.eff.org proxy comes from literally all over the planet, anywhere that there is an individual sharing his bandwidth by running the tor server software. In fact, I run a tor site on my home machine so that people can use my bandwidth. This replaces the anonymous SOCKS proxy I used to run here, and which had been abused.

There are literally dozens of places to get disposable email addresses for the "verification" these sites perform. Literally none of them do any effective form of verification, so you should never have to out yourself in order to get an account on one of them. Back when I ran a BBS system, I used to phone-verify all new accounts, and these sites would be wise to establish such a system, but are unlikely to as they don't really trust each other any more than they trust us.

If you use these techniques, I would love to hear how you do with them.

Have fun, and remember, we are smarter than they are!

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redwitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-05 04:44 PM
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1. yah, maybe you are but I have no idea how to do any of that
I am barely literate on my mac- good thing I have kids and that I married a geek! Sounds like you have an awful lot of fun doing what you do and if you can give the rethugs grief, you go benburch!
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cornermouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-05 04:46 PM
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2. Some of you are smarter than they are.
And some of us have not a clue about all those things you're talking about. Nevertheless if that's your idea of fun, go for it.
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HEAVYHEART Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-05 04:47 PM
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3. whew
I got a headache reading that! I bookmarked this though. Good info if I can actually figure this out! hehee. I'm gonna try this later. Thanks benburch!
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OregonBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-05 04:51 PM
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4. At least some of you are on top of this
Please alert us when you know who is scamming. Most of us know how to use a computer, not how to program one. Thanks!!!
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AnnInLa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-05 04:52 PM
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5. Uh, that's all Greek to me, but would you repeat
your "tips" regarding visiting RW sites without giving them the "hit count" and regarding clicking on a link from here to vote in an online poll? And, any others we non-geeks might benefit from? Thanks!
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LoZoccolo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-05 05:07 PM
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6. The whole idea of making an accusation based on this is bullshit.
What you'll also have is a log of DUers who read right-wing boards, and will have no basis for any mole accusation.
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benburch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-05 05:11 PM
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7. Thats why you have to repeat the process until you have some certainty.
And I have in fact trapped several in just this manner. Especially several from scamdy.com.

I'm not saying it is easy, but it *is* a workable plan.
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LoZoccolo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-05 05:15 PM
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8. What do you mean "more" certainty? A lot of us lurk at the other board.
You're also encouraging other people to do this, who will likely start showing up as "more certain" in your sting operation by virtue of them going to both boards just as you are instructing them too.
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benburch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-05 05:19 PM
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9. You have to be careful how you do this, true.
But if you use timestamps, as I suggest, it removes most of the confusion.
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LoZoccolo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-05 05:24 PM
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11. Well, that still doesn't matter.
I click on the threads they link to all the time. Heck, I even find that they pretty much stick with threads that are so extreme or overemotional that I disagree with them too. They rarely make fun of more reasonable ones, because I imagine they'd have trouble doing so.
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Bernardo de La Paz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-05 05:21 PM
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10. Yes, but your techniques out yourself as a mole
If you go putting in images, even small invisible images, sooner or later, someone looks at the code and sees the originating domain name. Then a domain look up finds the domain owner.

Is there a domain name proxy?
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benburch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-05 05:26 PM
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12. LOTS of ways to do this.
Personally, I own a dozen domains and about twice that many IP addresses with servers behind them.

And eventually, you do get outed as a mole, though I have had accounts on a couple of boards for over a year without outing. That's the fun of the game - seeing how long you can get away with it and how pissed off you can make then when you get caught!!!

And when you run out of options you simply pick a different RW board. They ALL troll here.
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Bernardo de La Paz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-05 06:08 PM
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16. Still windering if there is a way to proxy a domain name ownership record
Maybe proxy it through a law office. Got to be a business for such a service, though it might be small. Probably wouldn't protect you if somebody filed a civil suit that got pushed through to the discovery phase but that would be expensive just for the privilege of finding a domain owner's identity.
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benburch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-05 06:15 PM
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18. In fact, yes, you can...
There is a service for this, and I have used it for several domain names I own;

http://www.domainsbyproxy.com/
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Bernardo de La Paz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-05 05:34 PM
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13. Copyright and bandwidth, not IQ
Now, these sites could eliminate this problem if they were smart enough to either not allow the inline posting of images, or to force you to upload any images to their own hosted space, but we are talking about Right Wingers here, and almost none of them have much above a room-temperature IQ.


Yes, the prime exemplar of RW idiocy, *reerepublic, has a truly brain-damaged page presentation design (last I looked some months ago). However, servers do not generally like the legal liability for hosting images because they are copyright and hosting it is essentially stealing it unless you pay the copyright owner, usually an individual photographer or artist, license fees, if available for license even. Much easier to pass through a URL so the legal issues are murkier and the other site incurs the bandwidth costs.
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benburch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-05 05:42 PM
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14. Actually, DMCA makes it not that murky at all.
You can shut down a site that pass-through links your copyright graphics.
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Bernardo de La Paz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-05 06:00 PM
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15. Not yet fully court tested, I think.
You can shut down a site that pass-through links your copyright graphics.

Like DU. Yes, DMCA strengthens copyright licensing rights with some effect, but I don't think this has been fully tested, as by a strongish case fully appealed. DU is explicit about a "four paragraph" excerpt limit, but you can't readily excerpt an image, except perhaps by thumbnail, since a simple snip resulting in Bush's eyebrow doesn't characterize adequately an image the way a simple snip resulting in a couple of paragraphs can well characterize an article.
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benburch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-05 06:14 PM
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17. It cuts both ways, indeed.
And requires that the owner of the image really wants to shut the site down. I've had the freepers use my images in the past, but writing to RimJob with a Cease and Desist note was all that was required to have them removed. I'll give him that, he is VERY prompt about that sort of request.
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Moderator DU Moderator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-05 07:52 PM
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19. Locking....
If you think that someone is a
freeper/disruptor, please use
the alert button so that the
moderators can take care of it.


Thank you.
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