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wryter2000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-03 06:41 PM
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Krugman's book
I hate to tell you, but you have to shell out the $20+ bucks and get this book. I adored Franken's book, but this one is more important. If Krugman's right, and I believe he is, Bush and his group are trying to change this country into something that may not even be a democracy. It's utterly frightening.
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Unknown Known Donating Member (829 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-03 06:49 PM
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1. Yes, this book is historical
Future generations will read this to understand what happened in the Fall the of the American Empire, along with "The Hunting of the President" by Conason.

Paul Krugman is a national treasure:bounce:
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TXDemGal Donating Member (600 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-03 06:51 PM
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2. I'll probably buy it
But I don't need Krugman's book to tell me that "Bush and his group are trying to change this country into something that may not even be a democracy." That has been obvious for a long time.
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wryter2000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-03 07:24 PM
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4. You're right
I'm ashamed to say that I've only begun to understand the total implications of Bush and his thugs recently. I knew he was bad, but it's taken this long to put the whole picture together.
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lancemurdoch Donating Member (180 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-03 09:44 PM
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9. yes...
I agree, I already knew about this I'd say. Krugman really lays the numbers out and makes me aware of how bad it is though.

I realize Krugman has become a big Bush critic, and it's good that someone is laying out by the numbers what Bush is doing, but I'm more interested in other things he has to say about the economy and so forth Krugman's oeuvre is more than just Bush-bashing, he has a lot of insightful comments about the economy. He also admits when he was wrong, which I think makes him very good.
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quaker bill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-03 07:01 PM
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3. I absolutely agree
I have read it and Conason's Big Lies over the last 2 weeks. Stunning, simply stunning.

Krugman deconstructs the * administration like no one else.

The intro to Krugman's book is overwhelming. The frightening thing is that it seems so on point.

He makes it clear that the results of the next election are no less important than the revolt that got this country going in the first place. The difference for the country between victory and defeat is that fundamental.

Get the book.
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LittleDannySlowhorse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-03 07:26 PM
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5. That book scared the living shit out of me
I am still too fainthearted to go back and finish it. It's important though and definitely a book that matters.
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leftyandproud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-03 08:57 PM
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6. WAIT...
chill for three months...let it drop down a few notches on the amazon best seller list, and they will knock 40% off the price.
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-03 09:01 PM
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7. what do you mean, TRYING to change this country
these fascist f***s have been actively DOING it since they STOLE THE ELECTION.
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Eloriel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-03 09:36 PM
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8. Actually, no
They've been at it since at least Prescott Bush financing the Nazis, and possibly before that.

It's a long, grisly story, but the 2000 Coup was really just the tip of the iceberg -- all the rest of it has been submerged, not conscious, etc.

And that is the silver lining on that cloud: had the election not been apparently as close as it was, we never would have tumbled to the fact that they stole the election, and hundreds of thousands if not millions of people would never have gotten themselves considerably more educated about the Bush Crime Family.

Eloriel
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quaker bill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-03 10:09 PM
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11. I agree
I never worked in a Presidential campaign before. But I knew I needed to work for Gore. It is not like I was his biggest fan, I just knew I needed to be there.

I took several days off and called hundereds of people in Central Fla. We won Orange County (normally Republican).

At first, I felt defeated with the outcome, but now I know that because of unexpected turnout, the race was so much closer than they (the bushes) expected. So much so that the repug manipulation of the process was not enough to cover margin.

The contest in Fla set the tone, I am pleased I played a very small part in it.
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Arianrhod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-03 11:59 PM
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12. I disagree with the submerged part
The right-wing has been openly advocating their agenda for decades. Pat Robertson wrote gleefully about it in 1994, in his book The Turning Tide. Newt et al. trumpeted their call to "take back the country". Their illegal efforts (eg, the Christian Coalition actively campaigning for Republicans and smearing Democrats) have been there for all to see. What happened is that Americans don't want to see.

Krugman says that one of the reasons * is getting away with what he is doing is because most people cannot believe that anyone would be so meanspirited as to do the things he is openly advocating. So he just does them, and the country shakes its collective head.

The problem lies with the populace, not the cabal. The cabal is merely taking advantage of its opportunity. But we are the ones giving it to them.
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gristy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-03 09:59 PM
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10. I read this thread earlier this evening, I went out and bought the
book, and I'm up to page 40. The book is outstanding so far. The new material at the beginning frames the whole book quite well (though, I admit, I am only up to p. 40). He borrows Henry Kissinger's term "Revolutionary Power" to describe the BFEE.

An excerpt (p.3 of The Great Unraveling):

A political sea change

Most people have been slow to realize just how awesome a sea change has taken place in the domestic political scene. During the 2000 election, many people thought that nothing much was at stake; during the first two years of the Bush administration, many pundits insisted that the radicallly conservative bent of that administration was only a temporary maneuver, that Bush would tack back to the center after solidifying his base. And the public still has little snese of how radical our leading politicians really are.


Paul Krugman and Joe Wilson. Two giants of our time.
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