17th street levee bombed/9th ward deliberately sacrificed?

[Carolab]

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/9/7/193317/1598

http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2005/9/7/142315/5454/1#1

http://observer.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,6903,1562415,00.html

[Kenroy]

1. how does one selectively flood

certain neighborhoods?

All areas of New Orleans below lake-level were flooded. The areas above lake-level stayed dry. That's the way water works.

[Skip Intro]

10. areas to one side of the breach were flooded, to the other side were not

I've seen the "purposely" theory more than once.

My mom, a bushco sympathiser despite her good sense, told me she suspected as much, but that "Dems and the unions" were behind it.

Recently she said she saw someone on GMA mention it.

And at the recent BIll Clinton/bush, sr. press conference, one reporter shouted that question as Clinton called the conference to a close.

If you buy into the 9*11 LIHOP, MIHOP scenarios, the same motivation could well exist here.

IMHO.

[Kenroy]

19. but....

that's the way water flows.

It's as if you're saying you can fill a bowl with water, but leave some portions of the bottom dry. It's impossible, given that the neighborhoods are NOT separated from one another by levees or walls.

[bertha katzenengel]

2. Oh, for sweet Christ's sake.

:tinfoilhat:

[cthrumatrix]

3. invite all the people and have hearing in court

[geomon666]

4. This is rediculous

I'm surprised it's not a WMR story.

[Roland99]

5. uhh...let's nip this crap in the bud.

[Kenroy]

7. too late

it's the new "no plane hit the pentagon" theory, and people will proclaim it loudly for years to come.

[Roland99]

16. Ooof.

This story smells worse than the Superdome did, I'm sure.

[tridim]

6. I'm not going to believe it unless and until there's hard proof

But I must admit, the thought has crossed my mind a few times in the past week and a half.

[HysteryDiagnosis]

8. Uhhhh, I'm not buying it. No way.

[Old and In the Way]

9. who might gain by spreading this rumor?

Why, GW Bush! Some unknown, perhaps terrists, group busting up the flood control lets him off the hook for shorting flood control projects. I see someone just posted about a barge doing it. So where's the barge?

[rzemanfl]

23. Absofuckinglutely. I don't know a great deal about hydraulics

but the "barge" would not have burst the levy and then drifted away...

Rove is spinning shit like this. Actually, the Confederate Army mined the levy during the Civil War but mistakenly set the fuse to go off in the year 2005.

[applegrove]

11. Let's be discerning people.

:shrug:

[fishnfla]

12. what about the Industrial canal levee? and the London Ave levee?

There were 2 breaks in the IC levee on the 29th that flooded the 9th ward first.

When the 17th levee went, Metarie and downtown were flooded, so prime real estate wasnt saved much

[Roland99]

25. Ind. Canal was overtopped first. Also, I saw HUGE homes under water

on various video clips last week.

[rzemanfl]

13. This is free tinfoil for your hat territory. Enter at your own risk.

Repukes love to call people "crackpots"-it's in their playbook.

[jim3775]

14. Oh please, there are GOOD REASONABLE EXPLANATIONS FOR THE LEVEE BREAKS

The primary source for this story (and i mean that literally) is an IM chat.

Well, if it's said in an IM chat it must be true.

[Nikki Stone 1]

29. There is an article from the Guardian on the list and I read it

It indicates that something did happen.

http://observer.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,69...

[DoYouEverWonder]

15. No not bombed, but according to the Guardian

One neighborhood was flooded deliberately.

September 4, 2005


Williams only left his apartment after the authorities took the decision to flood his district in an apparent attempt to sluice out some of the water that had submerged a neighbouring district. Like hundreds of others he had heard the news of the decision to flood his district on the radio. The authorities had given people in the district until 5pm on Tuesday to get out - after that they would open the floodgates.

'We thought we could live without electricity for a few weeks because we had food. But then they told us they were opening the floodgates,' said Arineatta Walker, who fled the area with her daughter and two grandchildren.

'So about two o'clock we went on to the streets and we asked the army, "Where can we go?". And they said, "Just take off because there's no one going to come back for you." They kicked my family out of there. If I knew how to hotwire a car I would have,' Walker said.

http://observer.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,6903,1562415,00.html

It would be interesting to find out more about what was going on here. Who were the 'authorities' that made this decision and why?

[Roland99]

18. The Guardian is going insane lately. I'm starting to ignore them.

[DoYouEverWonder]

20. Could you give an example?

I mostly check the BBC. I haven't looked at the Guardian much lately. They've always been reliable before.

[Roland99]

22. This one...plus they reported no rapes/murders in the Dome in N.O.

despite eyewitness testimony describing it.

[DoYouEverWonder]

24. Did they say there were no rapes

or did they just not report them?

[Roland99]

31. here's the link

http://www.guardian.co.uk/katrina/story/0,16441,1563532,00.html


This debunks that:
http://www.nola.com/newslogs/tporleans/index.ssf?/mtlogs/nola_tporleans/archives/2005_09.html#077206

[Nikki Stone 1]

30. This Guardian article does report the rapes

http://observer.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,69...

[Carni]

17. No way--this theory would benefit bush

These idiots just plain let NOLA drown because they didn't give a shit-- there was no thought whatsoever here IMO

Why would bush and cohorts want to save ANYTHING in that city?

IT'S BLUE

[firefox]

21. Cokie Roberts on Letterman

Last night Cokie Roberts was on Letterman. She talked about a multitude of alphabet agencies that preceded FEMA and she worked in one of the predecesors. Didn't she speak of a prior event where there was selective flooding in NO?

I am pretty sure I did not read it or I would have bookmarked it.

[Nikki Stone 1]

26. I analyzed your sources and.. .. ... ... ........ ............

The first link

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/9/7/193317/1598
(a comment from a victim, unsupported)

The second link


http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2005/9/7/142315/5454/1...
(quotes the Guardian article below)


The third link has this statement:

http://observer.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,69...


"Williams only left his apartment after the authorities took the decision to flood his district in an apparent attempt to sluice out some of the water that had submerged a neighbouring district. Like hundreds of others he had heard the news of the decision to flood his district on the radio. The authorities had given people in the district until 5pm on Tuesday to get out - after that they would open the floodgates. "


This third source makes sense. Are there any WWLTV stories about this?

[Jersey Devil]

27. Anti-Psychotronic armor needed here

[Tin Man]

28. total bullshit

The levees failed because of a record storm surge, nothing more.

[KamaAina]

32. First off, 9th Ward is all the way across town from 17th St.

two separate levees. Industrial (9th Ward) breached (was topped?) first, during the storm itself, hours before 17th St. breached.

Second, of course the Quarter, CBD and Uptown are on "high" ground. That's why they were built there. For much of New Orleans' history, the areas that flooded the worst, like the 9th Ward, were swamps.

But people like Clara Barthelemy -- and there are many -- will never believe that. And that damage to the social compact in New Orleans may be even harder to fix than the actual flood damage. :(

[doc03]

33. This is ridiculous Art Bell stuff!

[Moderator]

34. Locking...

This story is not verifed by
a reliable news source. The
Guardian article does not
mention bombing the levees.

If you find a story from
a reliable news source,
please feel free to post it.