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RedEagle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-01-03 09:09 PM
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BBV: A Book For Every Person in Congress- We Can Do This!
I posted this elsewhere and am going to give it it's own thread. Folks, we need to make sure Congress has no excuse for ignorance of the BBV issue and no excuse to ignore it. Some of us are downloading Bev's book and taking the money we would have spent on our own book and ordering books from Amazon or David or whoever, and sending them to members of Congress. I would suggest getting books first to the ones most likely to DO something.

Someone else suggested ordering from Amazon and getting the book a high rating there. Whatever. Let's just do this. Explanation for keeping track of who is getting a copy below:


Keeping Track of Books to Congress

OK, David and I have been kind of working on this. Punpirate and I had the idea, I don't have the skills to carry it off on a web page.

David, among many other simulataneous juggling acts, may have a solution for keeping track of books ordered for congress in the works.

Meanwhile, I've got lists of congress people and I would be willing to keep track, as best I can, of which congress people are covered and by who.

So, until something better comes along, if you want to participate in this, you can email me via PM, and I'll just keep my lists handy by the computer and hopefully, create lists of reps and senators who still need the books.

What I need are the names of the states and full names of the senators and reps. Last names only won't do as there are people with the same name. I can guess by nostamj's post that it's New York and Hillary (Clinton) and Chuck (Schumer) are covered. I've got Washington's Patty Murray; and South Carolina's, Fritz Hollings.

Please also ID yourself by your DU name.

I can email back and let you know if your selection is already covered. It matters not if your state is already done. We need to blanket congress- so we can hold them all accountable!

Let's keep this kicked or transferred to similar threads.

Please DO include your rep or senators address information when you place your order for the book. You should be able to get that from the site listed below. I just called Murray's office and they told me to get literature read it would be best to send it to the D.C. offices. That may vary by person, but that's what I'll use as a guideline for now.

Addendum: Pitching a plea post following for someone to write a one page letter to include with the book if shipped from Plan Nine. If Amazon, hmmm, may have to send letter separately or ship the book to the purchaser who can then ship it to D.C. with a letter of explanation.

If you don't know your senators or reps, visit:

http://thomas.loc.gov/home/faqlist.html
Click on #7
Got to #7 select senate or house to click on
At the senate page, on the right hand side, you can click on a
PDF, or just scroll down the page.

Bev, Demactivist, Eloriel, David, Alastair, dmr, and others I don't mean to exclude, have done the heavy lifting on this. Time for us to take care of the distribution.

Let's roll!


Addemdum:

As far as I have record of, these reps/senators are covered:

Hillary Clinton
Richard Durbin
Fritz Hollings
Patty Murray

Jan Schakowsky

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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-01-03 09:10 PM
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1. You are right, I will make sure my whole delegation gets a copy
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RedEagle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-01-03 09:18 PM
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4. nadinbrezezinski, liberalnproud
Great!

I don't pick who you send them to.

You tell me.

I keep track of it.

I'm hoping we DON'T flood anyone's office with duplicates, that's what we are trying to avoid.

I'm asking you to PM me, I'll check my list and email back. Either you've got your chosen assignment, or someone else has already accomplished it. If that's the case, you can choose someone else.

I see no purpose in spending money in duplicates. We might, just might, hit the whole darn congess this way.

So, tell me who they are so I may keep better track. I will do this on a first come basis.

I'd wait until you get some confirmation.

This is just an attempt to organize the effort and make sure our money is spent the best way.
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hang a left Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-01-03 09:11 PM
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2. I posted earlier that I would buy 5 books
Edited on Wed Oct-01-03 09:16 PM by liberalnproud
who do you need me to send them to?

on edit my rep is Randy (Duke) Cunningham (R) 50th
On second edit My Senators are Boxer and Finkstein
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RedEagle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-01-03 09:13 PM
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3. Need a Cover Letter to Send With the Book- Gordon? Eloriel?

So that these Senators and Representatives KNOW why they are receiving the Black Box Voting box, and what we expect of them, we need a letter that David can ship along with the book. (or you can send if shipping from Amazon, whatever, they need to know why the book showed up in their offices)

Gordon, Eloriel, whoever, If you're not too busy (umph) with the Arizona uprisizing, or the Georgia locked document box, or anyone doing activism in general, could you come up with a letter, one page preferred, that lays it out for our "elected" representatives?

I know we've got some talented people here who are much better at laying it on the line, in fewer words, without burying it in detail some people don't yet understand. (Like I do)


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Eloriel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-03 12:16 AM
Response to Reply #3
35. LOL. You keep asking.
I keep ignoring.

Sorry, it's my utter dejection about several years' worth of urgent please to various Congresspeople being totally ignored that clouds my vision here, not to mention my motivation.

I see some people's letters to Congress and they're long, verbose, boring. (No offense.) Some poor intern is reading this and his/her eyes are glazing over. Or maybe they're not actually reading it. So cut to the chase, keep it simple, brief:



The enclosed book discusses quite possibly the most critically and urgently important issue of our time: the safety, security and validity of our vote if cast on computerized voting machines. Can they steal our elections? Will they? Have they already? Can they get away with it if they do?

Congressman XYZ, you need to know the answers to these questions (or likely answers), and you need to know them now. And then you need to help protect our vote by sponsoring Rush Holt's HR2239 which will give us voter-verified paper ballots.

Please read this book. If not, the next election we lose might be your own.

Signature
------------------

(Obviously, you need to know if s/he's already a sponsor of Holt's bill or not.)

A warning: Hedda_Foil told me a really good working definition of "conspiracy theory" today: anything that causes cognitive dissonance. So my letter might not be at ALL appropriate.

I also have no faith in my ability to get anyone in Congress's attention even if they do happen to be paying attention. So, if you're smart you'll write your own letter. ;-)

Eloriel
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-03 03:20 PM
Response to Reply #35
54. i would enjoy the dubious honor of mailing mine to Hagel?
Edited on Fri Oct-03-03 03:21 PM by ElsewheresDaughter
that is bev unless you would want to :7
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RedEagle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-03 04:40 PM
Response to Reply #35
58. Well, I do get a response sometimes...
...just not always the one I want. ;-)

Thanks for the letter.

I'm keeping the ones you guys do and I'll try to merger and combine them.

No problem with people sending their own letters.

Just trying to cover the situation where books are sent directly from Plan Nine.
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ParanoidPat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-03 01:51 AM
Response to Reply #35
66. BBV book, under $20.00.....
.....postage to your representative $2.00
A cover letter from Eloriel.....Priceless! :)
Thanks El! :evilgrin:
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-01-03 09:24 PM
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5. My Senator Durbin is covered so...
I'll send one to Jesse Jackson Jr. and Teddy Kennedy.
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DuctapeFatwa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-01-03 09:26 PM
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6. They don't read legislation, why do you think they read books?

Maybe try a set of picture cards.
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RedEagle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-02-03 01:04 AM
Response to Reply #6
7. Because There's a Picutre on The Book, and In the Book?
Better than email sent to that great recycle bin or faxes in the circular file.

If it's in the office, someone might read it. Better yet, it gets harder to claim they had "no idea," or "no reference material." The research has been done for them.

Here's the count so far:

Barbara Boxer- liberalnproud
Hillary Clinton- Nostamj
Richard Durbin- hedda_foil
Dianne Feinstein- liberalnproud
Fritz Hollings- RedEagle
Ted Kennedy- in-cog-ni-to
Patty Murray- RedEagle

Randy "Duke" Cunningham- liberalnproud
Jesse Jaclson Jr.- in-cog-ni-to

If I missed someone, let me know. I put the names with the reps to make sure I've got this down right.

Thanks for the willingness to get the book out there!

(Gee, can we get a photo op of one of these people getting on a plane with the book conspicuously under their arm?)
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stickdog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-02-03 04:56 AM
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8. Kick (NT)
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-02-03 05:23 AM
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9. thanks RedEagle!
I love this idea! Cover letter anyone?

:bounce:
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4dog Donating Member (289 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-02-03 09:17 PM
Response to Reply #9
25. Here's a draft cover letter.
Obviously, adapt it to fit your own needs. There's time before the book is actually available. Can you get Amazon to include a letter if you order it on line?


Dear Representative,

The enclosed book, Black Box Voting, by Bev Harris, is being sent to you by concerned citizens who are Democrats, Republicans, and others. The book will inform you about an issue that is central to American (or any) democracy: the voting process.

Traditional voting processes, including paper ballots and lever machines, have always been subject to tampering and fraud, which has been prevented by oversight of many individuals. Newer voting technologies involve computerized vote gathering, counting, and summarizing. Computers are often programmed incorrectly and can be hacked; both of these problems are invisible. Advocates for such systems ask us to trust them without proof. Computerized voting opens an opportunity for an unprecedented breakdown of the democratic process.

We hope that you will take the time to become acquainted with the issues discussed in this book. Many Americans have become aware of these problems and increasingly are demanding a more transparent and trustworthy system. Some legislative remedies have been proposed, and we hope that the information in this book will further the discussion leading to reform.

This is an important issue for members of both parties who support the democratic process.
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RedEagle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-02-03 11:17 PM
Response to Reply #25
31. Thank you 4dog!
I've copied it off and will take a look at it and tweak if needed.

I've got to come up with information packets for two candidates for county commissioners and then Monday, there MAY be a chance to attend a luncheon for Kucinich- I REALLY want to get information to him personally.

Let's hope the local group can make it happen.
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dusty64 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-02-03 07:36 AM
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10. Not a bad idea, though
I don't think I'd waste my $$$ on my "rep". Looks like my Senators are covered, I'll have to come back later and take a look (gotta run.).
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RedEagle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-02-03 08:36 AM
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11. You can Send a Copy to Anyone in Congress
It doesn't have to be your senators and reps. The point of keeping track of this, is to get as many copies in as many different hands in Congress as we can. So, pick someone else you like/admire/might DO something.

Hollings isn't my Senator- but he sits on some powerful committees and has been a long time advocate of the ownership cap in media. So I'm sending him a copy.

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dusty64 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-02-03 09:14 AM
Response to Reply #11
13. OK, I'll take a closer look
later. I'm out the door.
:kick: for a good idea!
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nostamj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-02-03 08:38 AM
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12. add: Chuck Schumer
Edited on Thu Oct-02-03 09:11 AM by nostamj
Chuck Schumer
Hillary Clinton
- I've got the NY Senators
Richard Durbin
Fritz Hollings
Patty Murray
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-02-03 10:26 AM
Response to Reply #12
14. I have NC covered...
I am sending copies to Sens. Edwards and dole and Rep. Brad Miller.


We also need more NC people to join the election reform meet ups....http://electionreform.meetup.com/ Come on NC DUers!!

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4dog Donating Member (289 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-02-03 10:52 AM
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15. An easier way of doing this IMHO
would be if David could set up a web page where people could donate to the Leave No Congresscritter Uninformed Fund (someone else can think of a better title) and someone (me if no one cleverer can do this easily) can send him a paper or electronic list of all the 550 odd congresscritters. Then one person at his distribution center could send out the books and check off the list as funds come in.
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IkeWarnedUs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-02-03 01:09 PM
Response to Reply #15
16. good idea
kicking so this doesn't get lost

:kick:
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RedEagle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-02-03 02:32 PM
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17. Not a bad idea 4dog... update on list
...there's just only so much of David to spread around. We are working on this but I'm keeping track.

I'd also like people to have a choice, as I think some would prefer that.

There was also the issue of ordering through Amazon, to get this book on the big seller list.

So, trying to wear a lot of hats at the same time.

My husband is putting together an Exel sheet and I can import what's been done already into that and maybe send it to David if he wants to take it on that way. BUT, that negates tracking copies of the book sent from Amazon, unless people contact David.

So, any more ideas?

So far: (thanks for the correction to my oversight nostamj)

Barbara Boxer- liberalnproud
Hillary Clinton- nostamj
Richard Durbin- hedda-foil
John Edwards- leftchick
Dianne Feinstein- liberalnproud
Fritz Hollings- RedEagle
Edward Kennedy- in-cog-ni-to
Patty Murray- RedEagle
Charles Schumer- nostamj

Randy "Duke" Cunningham- liberalnproud
Jesse Jackson Jr.- in-cog-ni-go
Brad Miller- leftchick
Jan Schakowsky- hedda-foil

Checks for update accuracy always welcome!
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-02-03 04:14 PM
Response to Reply #17
18. come on DUers, forget rush for a minute
voting reform needs us all!!

:kick:
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RedEagle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-02-03 04:57 PM
Response to Reply #18
19. Download a copy, ship a copy
Common, the book is about $18.90, call it $20, and that seems to cover most shipping charges.

That's something most of us can do. That't something we SHOULD do.

Besides, it's fun to put congress people on the spot.

;-) O8) ;-)
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Eloriel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-03 12:19 AM
Response to Reply #15
36. It'll have far more impact from a constituent n/t
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creativelcro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-02-03 06:20 PM
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20. Cannot get book from Amazon!
Did Diebold pay off Amazon NOT to carry the book?? What's going on ? Just got this from Amazon. I had ordered the book a couple of weeks ago... Is David Allen reading this ? -CV

____________________________________________________________________
Greetings from Amazon.com.

We are sorry to report that we will not be able to obtain the following
item from your order:

Bev Harris "Black Box Voting: Vote Tampering in the 21st Century"

Though we had expected to be able to send this item to you, we've
since found that it is not available from any of our sources at this
time. We realize this is disappointing news to hear, and we apologize
for the inconvenience we have caused you.

We have cancelled this item from your order.

Your credit card will NOT BE CHARGED for this item because you only
pay for items when we ship them to you.

Your order is now closed.

Please note: This e-mail was sent from a notification-only address
that cannot accept incoming e-mail. Please do not reply to this message.

Thanks for shopping at Amazon.com, and we hope to see you again.

Sincerely,

Customer Service Department
http://www.amazon.com
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stickdog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-02-03 08:01 PM
Response to Reply #20
21. Read Above Message! (NT)
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hang a left Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-02-03 08:05 PM
Response to Reply #20
22. Do you know where I can get the book?
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creativelcro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-02-03 08:07 PM
Response to Reply #22
23. bbv.com
The book does not exist on paper, yet. Online, at blackboxvoting.com, only two chapters available so far. 2 should come out this ev. or tomorrow...
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karlschneider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-02-03 08:12 PM
Response to Reply #20
24. Just checked Barnes & Noble, not available there either...hmmmmmmmmmm
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Cocoa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-02-03 09:53 PM
Response to Reply #24
27. Publishing date January 2003
:wtf:
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Kelvin Mace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-03 12:41 AM
Response to Reply #27
39. Where do you see January?
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BevHarris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-02-03 09:31 PM
Response to Reply #20
26. We'll try to straighten this out with Amazon tomorrow
Edited on Thu Oct-02-03 09:32 PM by BevHarris
Probably something minor, like a computer tagged to pull the book off if a delivery date doesn't match. If it's more than that, we'll kick up a fuss.

I note that the book had reached 3,000 rank in Amazon -- that's very good for this stage of the game, because the rankings go up to 1,500,000.

Chapter 3 and 4 will be up tonight for sure, trying to get five up tonight also.

Trying also to get chapter 6,7 and 8 up tomorrow night, because I want Chapter 8 available for weekend reading. For those who have been following everything closely all along, there is not a lot of new material in Chapters 1-6; a little, but not lots.

As we all know, most people are not very aware of the issue, and the six chapters get them up to speed where you are.

I've shared a lot here on DU, but there is some material in Chapter 7 you haven't seen, and a few surprises that will get tongues wagging in Chapter 8. Nothing huge, but in my opinion, Chapter 8 is a fun read.

Total is 14 chapters.

Bev
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tlcandie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-02-03 10:33 PM
Response to Reply #26
28. I will go through Amazon .. if and/or when it is available
and send to Florida

Congresswoman: Ginny Brown-Waite (for all the good it will do)
Representative: David D. Russell, Jr.

Spring Hill/Hernando County, Florida
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RedEagle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-02-03 11:14 PM
Response to Reply #28
30. Russell??
tlcandie,

Thanks!

But I don't have a David D. Russell on my mega list of house of reps people. Is he a rep in your state house?

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tlcandie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-03 03:35 PM
Response to Reply #30
55. Aye, this is the link where I found him according to my zipcode RedEagle
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-03 10:43 PM
Response to Reply #26
71. I complained to them about some of the reviews from July and August
They told me the book came out in July. I told them no, it did not. They are a very confused bunch right now.
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Kelvin Mace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-03 12:51 AM
Response to Reply #20
40. See this thread
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stickdog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-02-03 10:51 PM
Response to Original message
29. Kick
Come on, people.
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RedEagle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-02-03 11:34 PM
Response to Reply #29
32. Book Update List
Amazon probably just has to get one database talking to another.

Barnes & Noble- the local store told me long ago that they only deal with certain publishers. David was not on their list. At least, that is what I was "told."

However, you can certaily lobby the local, independent stores to carry it. Which is ANOTHER activism action.


Books have been pledged to send to:

Barbara Boxer- liberalnproud
Hillary Clinton- nostamj
Elizabeth Dole- leftchick
Richard Durbin- hedda-foil
John Edwards- leftchick
Dianne Feinstein- liberalnproud
Fritz Hollings- RedEagle
Edward Kennedy- in-cog-ni-to
Patty Murray- RedEagle
Charles Schumer- nostamj

Virginia Brown-Waite- tlcandie
Randy "Duke" Cunningham- liberalnproud
Jesse Jackson Jr.- in-cog-ni-go
Brad Miller- leftchick
Jan Schakowsky- hedda-foil

Checks for update accuracy always welcome!



Someone asked me who should we send books to. I think that's up to the individual, but here's a list of people I think need the book:

Robert Byrd
Lincoln Chafee (R)-but I think often more on center than far right
Russ Feingold
Bob Graham
Tom Harkin
James Jeffords
John Kerry
Herb Kohl
Patrick Leahy
Carl Levin
John McCain (R)- hey, he as doing the campaign finance reform thing
And he certaily should have a bone to pick with the
Bush gang
Barbara Mikulski
Harry Reid
Olympia Snowe (R) - I've heard she's more center
Ron Wyden

Brian Baird
John Conyers
Norm Dicks
Barney Frank
Rush Holt
Jay Inslee
Patrick Kennedy
Dennis Kucinich
Barbara Lee
Jim McDermott
Ed Markey
Marty Meehan
Ron Paul (R) - but gives the far right a lot of grief
Nancy Pelosi
Maxine Waters
Henry Waxman


Some of you will have better insight. I'm just going though a list and thinking I think this is a person to target, for sure.
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BevHarris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-02-03 11:43 PM
Response to Reply #32
33. Barnes & Noble is also carrying the book, but we have a couple
more hoops to go through. David has been dealing with their national office, and the locals don't have the info yet.

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kimchi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-02-03 11:50 PM
Response to Reply #32
34. Put me in for our champion Robert Byrd.
It will be a pleasure to enlighten the verbose gentleman from the beautiful state of West Virginia.
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WaterDog Donating Member (125 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-03 12:30 AM
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37. My congressman
is Tom Lantos. He sent me a letter saying he already cosponsors and supports Rush Holt's bill. Should I send him a copy? How does it work--can we have Amazon mail it directly to them?
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WaterDog Donating Member (125 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-03 12:33 AM
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38. Also
what about sending copies to state and local officials like our secretary of state or county registrar?
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RedEagle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-03 12:52 AM
Response to Reply #38
41. Updated list, thanks kimchi!
Both lists updated, pledge and "wish list."

Waterdog- I don't think signing on to Holt's Bill necessarily means they grasp the enormity of the situation. These guys should be calling for investigations and indictments. The more information we can get to them, the better.


Books have been pledged to send to:

Barbara Boxer- liberalnproud
Robert Byrd- kimchi
Hillary Clinton- nostamj
Elizabeth Dole- leftchick
Richard Durbin- hedda-foil
John Edwards- leftchick
Dianne Feinstein- liberalnproud
Fritz Hollings- RedEagle
Edward Kennedy- in-cog-ni-to
Patty Murray- RedEagle
Charles Schumer- nostamj

Virginia Brown-Waite- tlcandie
Randy "Duke" Cunningham- liberalnproud
Jesse Jackson Jr.- in-cog-ni-go
Brad Miller- leftchick
Jan Schakowsky- hedda-foil

Checks for update accuracy always welcome!



Someone asked me who should we send books to. I think that's up to the individual, but here's a list of people I think need the book:

Lincoln Chafee (R)-but I think often more on center than far right
Russ Feingold
Bob Graham
Tom Harkin
James Jeffords
John Kerry
Herb Kohl
Patrick Leahy
Carl Levin
John McCain (R)- hey, he as doing the campaign finance reform thing
And he certaily should have a bone to pick with the
Bush gang
Barbara Mikulski
Harry Reid
Olympia Snowe (R) - I've heard she's more center
Ron Wyden

Brian Baird
John Conyers
Norm Dicks
Barney Frank
Rush Holt
Jay Inslee
Patrick Kennedy
Dennis Kucinich
Barbara Lee
Jim McDermott
Ed Markey
Marty Meehan
Ron Paul (R) - but gives the far right a lot of grief
Nancy Pelosi
Maxine Waters
Henry Waxman


Some of you will have better insight. I'm just going though a list and thinking I think this is a person to target, for sure.

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WaterDog Donating Member (125 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-03 12:59 AM
Response to Reply #41
42. Then you can put me down
for Tom Lantos. My senators are already covered, but I think it would be a good idea to send a copy to California SoS Kevin Shelley. Do you? Supposedly he had this great task force on the issue with David Dill, Kim Alexander, Rebecca Mercuri and people from the other side. I hope he would consider the book if I sent him a copy.
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ConsAreLiars Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-03 01:35 AM
Response to Original message
43. letter suggestions
From my perspective, copies should get to everyone from congresscritters to county council members. If possible, it would be nice to see some sort of registered-user accessible check-off form on the bbv.com site that went from national to state to county to city level officials who are being sent books. Or even a blog-type report where users could use a "find" search to see if their intended

Some sort of form letter to accompany the book is helpful, but personal letters are better. My view is that highlighting the verifiability issue is central.

"Dear ----, I hope you read this book. I am very worried that any problems with these paperless touchscreen-voting machines will mean that we can never know if votes are counted accurately. If I cannot even see my ballot, how can I know it is filled out in a way that reflects my choices? And if a machine fails to work properly, how do we get the honest numbers unless there are real ballots to compare them to?

"And there are LOTS of problems that can happen. Just skim through Chapter Two for a start. When a machine reports more votes than voters we know something went wrong, but without a voter-verified paper ballot, what can we do about it? There are all sorts of worst-case scenarios one can imagine, but how can voters be assured that no accident or crime has has happened if there is no way to tell if the numbers coming out of the machine have anything to do with the votes going in?"

"Please look into these qustions and let me know how you see them."

Signed with name, address etc.


Or something like that, for what it's worth. (My assumption is that they are more likely to respond to questions from constituents than answers or unfunded commands.)
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BevHarris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-03 01:41 AM
Response to Original message
44. Chapter 3 and Chapter 4 are up
Edited on Fri Oct-03-03 01:41 AM by BevHarris
Something's weird about Chapter 3 -- it's the shortest chapter, no graphics, but takes a really long time to load. Anyways....

http://www.blackboxvoting.com

Thanks a lot, folks.

Bev
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Bushfire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-03 02:20 AM
Response to Original message
45. Folk, don't forget your local library.
They usually will order books if you ask them to. This would be a great opportunity for those on limited incomes to get involved like myself.
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WHAT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-03 11:58 PM
Response to Reply #45
64. Yes!...
I'm glad you mentioned that. I would rather the libraries have a copy than say Maria Cantwell (who is another of my senators that I have doubts about). Grass Roots and all...

:toast:

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Cronus Protagonist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-03 03:50 AM
Response to Original message
46. Kick for the Europeans
Like myself. :)

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RedEagle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-03 08:45 AM
Response to Reply #46
47. Yep, Everybody, and Update
Yes, by all means, send to all you can. Asking to send to Congress was never meant to imply not to send to state and local people, or anyone else who should be backing this cause- like, oh...Common Cause?
It was meant to get books in the hands of the people who can and should be into this issue RIGHT NOW.

Individual letters are always better. However, I was trying to come up with a way that didn't overburden our already busy publisher, cut down on postage by having the books sent directly, and inform the congress types why they just received the means to save democracy.



Books have been pledged to send to:

Barbara Boxer- liberalnproud
Robert Byrd- kimchi
Hillary Clinton- nostamj
Elizabeth Dole- leftchick
Richard Durbin- hedda-foil
John Edwards- leftchick
Dianne Feinstein- liberalnproud
Fritz Hollings- RedEagle
Edward Kennedy- in-cog-ni-to
Patty Murray- RedEagle
Charles Schumer- nostamj

Virginia Brown-Waite- tlcandie
Randy "Duke" Cunningham- liberalnproud
Jesse Jackson Jr.- in-cog-ni-go
Tom Lantos- waterdog
Brad Miller- leftchick
Jan Schakowsky- hedda-foil

Checks for update accuracy always welcome!



Someone asked me who should we send books to. I think that's up to the individual, but here's a list of people I think need the book:

Lincoln Chafee (R)-but I think often more on center than far right
Russ Feingold
Bob Graham
Tom Harkin
James Jeffords
John Kerry
Herb Kohl
Patrick Leahy
Carl Levin
John McCain (R)- hey, he as doing the campaign finance reform thing
And he certaily should have a bone to pick with the
Bush gang
Barbara Mikulski
Harry Reid
Olympia Snowe (R) - I've heard she's more center
Ron Wyden

Brian Baird
John Conyers
Norm Dicks
Barney Frank
Rush Holt
Jay Inslee
Patrick Kennedy
Dennis Kucinich
Barbara Lee
Jim McDermott
Ed Markey
Marty Meehan
Ron Paul (R) - but gives the far right a lot of grief
Nancy Pelosi
Maxine Waters
Henry Waxman


Some of you will have better insight. I'm just going though a list and thinking I think this is a person to target, for sure.




Alert

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sybylla Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-03 10:00 AM
Response to Original message
48. I'll take Kohl and Feingold
I might be able to get my local dem party org to sponsor this, but I will get it done either way.
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donsu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-03 10:02 AM
Response to Original message
49. kick
nt
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hedda_foil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-03 10:14 AM
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50. bbv.com has been taken down!
Total Choice Web Hosting:

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RedEagle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-03 12:05 PM
Response to Reply #50
51. Pledge List Update- Can Your $20 Save Democracy?
I see that the bbv.com site is down at the moment.
You can still pledge to order the book for a legislator.
If it remains down, I will give you Plan Nine contact information for ordering. However, right now, I'd just give David time to deal with the problem.

I can imagine little things like this will crop up for a while. You know, the very system they like to PR as secure enough to vote on? That can't be disabled and fiddled with? (Sarcasm intended)


Books have been pledged to send to:

Barbara Boxer- liberalnproud
Robert Byrd- kimchi
Hillary Clinton- nostamj
Elizabeth Dole- leftchick
Richard Durbin- hedda-foil
John Edwards- leftchick
Russ Feingold- sybylla
Dianne Feinstein- liberalnproud
Fritz Hollings- RedEagle
Edward Kennedy- in-cog-ni-to
Herb Kohl- sybylla
Patty Murray- RedEagle
Charles Schumer- nostamj

Virginia Brown-Waite- tlcandie
Randy "Duke" Cunningham- liberalnproud
Jesse Jackson Jr.- in-cog-ni-go
Tom Lantos- waterdog
Brad Miller- leftchick
Jan Schakowsky- hedda-foil

Checks for update accuracy always welcome!



Someone asked me who should we send books to. I think that's up to the individual, but here's a list of people I think need the book:

Lincoln Chafee (R)-but I think often more on center than far right
Bob Graham
Tom Harkin
James Jeffords
John Kerry
Patrick Leahy
Carl Levin
John McCain (R)- hey, he as doing the campaign finance reform thing
And he certaily should have a bone to pick with the
Bush gang
Barbara Mikulski
Harry Reid
Olympia Snowe (R) - I've heard she's more center
Ron Wyden

Brian Baird
John Conyers
Norm Dicks
Barney Frank
Rush Holt
Jay Inslee
Patrick Kennedy
Dennis Kucinich
Barbara Lee
Jim McDermott
Ed Markey
Marty Meehan
Ron Paul (R) - but gives the far right a lot of grief
Nancy Pelosi
Maxine Waters
Henry Waxman


Some of you will have better insight. I'm just going though a list and thinking I think this is a person to target, for sure.




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RedEagle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-03 02:50 PM
Response to Reply #51
52. Pledge List Update- Common Citizens Defeating Fraud for $20 a Shot?
You guys are great! Let's keep this up!

Books have been pledged to send to:

Barbara Boxer- liberalnproud
Robert Byrd- kimchi
Hillary Clinton- nostamj
Elizabeth Dole- leftchick
Richard Durbin- hedda-foil
John Edwards- leftchick
Russ Feingold- sybylla
Dianne Feinstein- liberalnproud
Fritz Hollings- RedEagle
Edward Kennedy- in-cog-ni-to
Herb Kohl- sybylla
Patty Murray- RedEagle
Charles Schumer- nostamj
Olympia Snowe- Aries


Tom Allen- Aries
Virginia Brown-Waite- tlcandie
Randy "Duke" Cunningham- liberalnproud
Jesse Jackson Jr.- in-cog-ni-go
Tom Lantos- waterdog
Brad Miller- leftchick
Jan Schakowsky- hedda-foil

Checks for update accuracy always welcome!



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Spazito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-03 02:57 PM
Response to Reply #52
53. How about to the presidential candidates that aren't members of congress
I checked the list and didn't see their names, my apologies if I just missed them, if so, I need to get my bifocals checked.
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tlcandie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-03 03:38 PM
Response to Reply #53
56. Add me for Kucininch as well, plus I had already thought of taking
copies to our election officials! Forgot about the library!
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RedEagle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-03 04:31 PM
Response to Reply #56
57. Book Pledge Update- Buy a Book, Save a Vote!
Edited on Fri Oct-03-03 04:31 PM by RedEagle
Thanks tlcandie!

Hey, SEND them to the candidates. I'll post that to the list, too.
However, I can't begin to keep up with each state's legislature.
By no means does pledging to send to congress mean to not send elsewhere. It's just giving them a reminder that, oh, democracy actually means something to us here in the masses.

And, hey, if we can get the whole senate covered, at the least, that might qualify for a news release. (hint)


You guys are great! Let's keep this up!

Books have been pledged to send to:

Barbara Boxer- liberalnproud
Robert Byrd- kimchi
Hillary Clinton- nostamj
Elizabeth Dole- leftchick
Richard Durbin- hedda-foil
John Edwards- leftchick
Russ Feingold- sybylla
Dianne Feinstein- liberalnproud
Fritz Hollings- RedEagle
Edward Kennedy- in-cog-ni-to
Herb Kohl- sybylla
Patty Murray- RedEagle
Charles Schumer- nostamj
Olympia Snowe- Aries


Tom Allen- Aries
Virginia Brown-Waite- tlcandie
Randy "Duke" Cunningham- liberalnproud
Jesse Jackson Jr.- in-cog-ni-go
Dennis Kucinich- tlcandie
Tom Lantos- waterdog
Brad Miller- leftchick
Jan Schakowsky- hedda-foil

Checks for update accuracy always welcome!




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RedEagle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-03 04:51 PM
Response to Reply #57
59. Update on Book Pledge- Democracy, What a Concept, The People Speak
(I have to remember to check back up the thread. ElsewheresDaughter pledged to send one to Hagel--Sweet!)

Hey, SEND them to the candidates. I'll post that to the list, too.
However, I can't begin to keep up with each state's legislature.
By no means does pledging to send to congress mean to not send elsewhere. It's just giving them a reminder that, oh, democracy actually means something to us here in the masses.

And, hey, if we can get the whole senate covered, at the least, that might qualify for a news release. (hint)


You guys are great! Let's keep this up!

Books have been pledged to send to:

Barbara Boxer- liberalnproud
Robert Byrd- kimchi
Hillary Clinton- nostamj
Elizabeth Dole- leftchick
Richard Durbin- hedda-foil
John Edwards- leftchick
Russ Feingold- sybylla
Dianne Feinstein- liberalnproud
Chuck Hagel- ElsewheresDaughter ;-)
Fritz Hollings- RedEagle
Edward Kennedy- in-cog-ni-to
Herb Kohl- sybylla
Patty Murray- RedEagle
Charles Schumer- nostamj
Olympia Snowe- Aries


Tom Allen- Aries
Virginia Brown-Waite- tlcandie
Randy "Duke" Cunningham- liberalnproud
Jesse Jackson Jr.- in-cog-ni-go
Dennis Kucinich- tlcandie
Tom Lantos- waterdog
Brad Miller- leftchick
Jan Schakowsky- hedda-foil

Checks for update accuracy always welcome!




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shirlden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-03 04:54 PM
Response to Original message
60. Count me in.
I had intended to buy about 10.....all I can afford......one of those retirees on fixed and small income.
Not sure how I want to handle this....buy from Amazon or David. Will wait a couple of days to see what is best. The book is not printed yet.
But you can definitely put me down for my congresscritter, Patrick Tiberi and one Ohio Sen, Mike DeWine. I have no faith in Voinovich ever doing anything for anyone but his corporate cronies. Would be a big waste of money.

:kick:
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RedEagle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-03 05:05 PM
Response to Reply #60
61. Book Plege Update- The Masses Speak
Shirlden,
Thanks!
(At least with the updates, it helps keep this kicked)

Hey, SEND them to the candidates. I'll post that to the list, too.
However, I can't begin to keep up with each state's legislature.
By no means does pledging to send to congress mean to not send elsewhere. It's just giving them a reminder that, oh, democracy actually means something to us here in the masses.

And, hey, if we can get the whole senate covered, at the least, that might qualify for a news release. (hint)


You guys are great! Let's keep this up!

Books have been pledged to send to:

Barbara Boxer- liberalnproud
Robert Byrd- kimchi
Hillary Clinton- nostamj
Mike DeWine- shirlden
Elizabeth Dole- leftchick
Richard Durbin- hedda-foil
John Edwards- leftchick
Russ Feingold- sybylla
Dianne Feinstein- liberalnproud
Chuck Hagel- ElsewheresDaughter
Fritz Hollings- RedEagle
Edward Kennedy- in-cog-ni-to
Herb Kohl- sybylla
Patty Murray- RedEagle
Charles Schumer- nostamj
Olympia Snowe- Aries


Tom Allen- Aries
Virginia Brown-Waite- tlcandie
Randy "Duke" Cunningham- liberalnproud
Jesse Jackson Jr.- in-cog-ni-go
Dennis Kucinich- tlcandie
Tom Lantos- waterdog
Brad Miller- leftchick
Jan Schakowsky- hedda-foil
Pat Tiberi- Shirlden

Checks for update accuracy always welcome!




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4dog Donating Member (289 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-03 08:40 PM
Response to Original message
62. Let us know when books will be ready for distribution
and whether you have figured out by then if ordering from David or Amazon works better.
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RedEagle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-03 11:10 PM
Response to Reply #62
63. Which is better?
I dunno.

Order direct from David, probably more gain for David and Bev.

Order from Amazon- I guess it would be to attract atttention to a hot book, so if more sold.....
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dmr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-03 01:05 AM
Response to Reply #63
65. Assign me two senators and I'll also send one to my public library
I'll place my orders through Amazon so it can boost the book's rating.
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RedEagle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-03 10:32 AM
Response to Reply #65
67. Book List Update- Buy a Book, Save Democracy
dmr- You pick your congress people to send to. I'm just trying to keep a list of who is already covered. Send to your own state's senators and reps, or pick some you think might do something.

As suggested, and I was wrong to do this without asking, I am now keeping the list sans who is pledging to send books. IF you'd rather I keep names on the list, I go back to that. I was just using DU screen names. I have that information and can add it back on, but perhaps some will prefer to PM me and let me add their reps to the "already pledged" list that way.


Books have been pledged to send to:

SENATORS

Jeff Bingaman
Barbara Boxer
Robert Byrd
Hillary Clinton
Mike DeWine
Elizabeth Dole
Richard Durbin
John Edwards
Russ Feingold
Dianne Feinstein
Chuck Hagel
Fritz Hollings
Edward Kennedy
Herb Kohl
Patty Murray
Charles Schumer
Olympia Snowe


REPRESENTATIVES

Tom Allen
Virginia Brown-Watie
Randy "Duke" Cunningham
Jesse Jackson Jr.
Dennis Kucinich
Tom Lantos
Brad Miller
Steve Pearce
Jan Schakowsky
Pat Tiberi

Checks for update accuracy always welcome!


Recommendations of people who should get books:
(Just guessing on my part, I'll put an asterisk by some I think are important, but that's only my guess. If you know of someone who rarely makes the news but who really works behind the scenes to get things done, then let me know and I'll add them to the list if you're already committed to send books to others)

Lincoln Chafee
Bob Graham*
Tom Harkin*
James Jeffords*
Patrick Leahy*
Carl Levin*
Barbara Mikulski
Bill Nelson
Harry Reid
Ron Wyden

Brian Baird
John Conyers*
Norm Dicks
Barney Frank*
Rush Holt*
Jay Inslee
Barbara Lee*
Jim McDermott
Ed Markey
Marty Meehan
Ron Paul*
Nancy Pelosi
Bernie Sanders*
Maxine Waters
Henry Waxman*

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RedEagle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-03 03:47 PM
Response to Reply #67
68. Books- A Sign of Freedom
Edited on Sat Oct-04-03 03:48 PM by RedEagle
Buy a book. Send it to a senator or representative. More facts than you could ever pack into an email or a fax.

And I'll bet someone in the office is going to read it!

Kick!
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dmr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-03 04:01 PM
Response to Reply #67
69. OK
My Senators (Clinton and Schumer) are already spoken for, so I'll take my former gov and sen Bob Graham of Florida, Carl Levin of Michigan, and my public library. If someone's already chosen these two men, just let me know.

:)
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RedEagle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-03 10:12 PM
Response to Reply #69
70. Buy A Book, Save A Democracy
OK! Adding Bob Graham and Carl Levin to the list of senators that will receive the, "How to Save Democracy" manual from a citizen patriot. Six more book pledges and we've got the senate half covered.

As suggested, and I was wrong to do this without asking, I am now keeping the list sans who is pledging to send books. IF you'd rather I keep names on the list, I go back to that. I was just using DU screen names. I have that information and can add it back on, but perhaps some will prefer to PM me and let me add their reps to the "already pledged" list that way.


Books have been pledged to send to:

SENATORS

Jeff Bingaman
Barbara Boxer
Robert Byrd
Hillary Clinton
Mike DeWine
Elizabeth Dole
Richard Durbin
John Edwards
Russ Feingold
Dianne Feinstein
Bob Graham
Chuck Hagel
Fritz Hollings
Edward Kennedy
Herb Kohl
Carl Levin
Patty Murray
Charles Schumer
Olympia Snowe


REPRESENTATIVES

Tom Allen
Virginia Brown-Watie
Randy "Duke" Cunningham
Jesse Jackson Jr.
Dennis Kucinich
Tom Lantos
Brad Miller
Steve Pearce
Jan Schakowsky
Pat Tiberi

Checks for update accuracy always welcome!


Recommendations of people who should get books:
(Just guessing on my part, I'll put an asterisk by some I think are important, but that's only my guess. If you know of someone who rarely makes the news but who really works behind the scenes to get things done, then let me know and I'll add them to the list if you're already committed to send books to others)

Lincoln Chafee
Tom Harkin*
James Jeffords*
Patrick Leahy*
Barbara Mikulski
Bill Nelson
Harry Reid
Ron Wyden

Brian Baird
John Conyers*
Norm Dicks
Barney Frank*
Rush Holt*
Jay Inslee
Barbara Lee*
Jim McDermott
Ed Markey
Marty Meehan
Ron Paul*
Nancy Pelosi
Bernie Sanders*
Maxine Waters
Henry Waxman*

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RedEagle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-05-03 06:50 PM
Response to Reply #70
72. A Reference Book for the Future- How to Protect Democracy
Sent it to a congress person, send it to a state legislator, give one to a library, get a political science prof to do a class on vote theft, give a book for Christmas- but get the distribution going!

Kick!
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RedEagle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-05-03 08:49 PM
Response to Reply #72
73. $20 dollars for Democracy?
Kick!
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nostamj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-05-03 08:59 PM
Response to Original message
74. just a thought....
Edited on Sun Oct-05-03 08:59 PM by nostamj
this is a great and very 'do-able' project.

perhaps a thread in a slower forum like the Meeting Room or Activism would be more appropriate.

you could always float:

BBV2congress: 17 more House members! 20 Senators left!!

in GD with a link....


just a thought.
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