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Peter Frank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-25-05 11:48 PM
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Google Is Not Your Friend -- VERY DISTURBING INFO...
Edited on Thu Aug-25-05 11:52 PM by Peter Frank
Not so unlikely bedfellows --

"...Matt Cutts, a key Google engineer, used to work for the National Security Agency. Google wants to hire more people with security clearances, so that they can peddle their corporate assets to the spooks in Washington."


"...9) Google is a privacy time bomb:

With 200 million searches per day, most from outside the U.S., Google amounts to a privacy disaster waiting to happen. Those newly-commissioned data-mining bureaucrats in Washington can only dream about the sort of slick efficiency that Google has already achieved."


http://forums.techguy.org/showthread.php?threadid=212975&31975a6c7f23f52ea1869844302669b6
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jillan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-25-05 11:51 PM
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1. Want to see something really scary?
Google "Peter Frank".

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WiseButAngrySara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-25-05 11:58 PM
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7. What's it say?......n/t
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Cronus Protagonist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-05 12:06 AM
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9. LInks to an author - I didn't see anything scary
Or is the scary thing that nothing scary comes up?

heh


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dweller Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-05 12:10 AM
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10. Google pic, pirhana



you bad.

dp
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lvx35 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-05 12:13 AM
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11. Google is one of the biggest first ammendment threats we face.
If the search engines all conglomerate and become owned by three transnational corporations like the old media did, than the search engines will be the censorship devices of tomorrow...They can refuse to index anybody, anytime, yet sinse they have been so very generous up to this point, everybody has laid their trust in them, and they have become integrated into our lives.
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jillan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-05 12:24 AM
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13. this was on page 9 of google search for pirhana
Edited on Fri Aug-26-05 12:26 AM by pirhana
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=139x1956
that was one of my first posts at du!
I don't know if there is more on the following pages.

I used to go on the Randi Rhodes message board. You can find my posts on page 3 of the google search for pirhana.

btw - that is not my best picture :)
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dweller Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-05 12:43 AM
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14. would make a great T-shirt, no?
google pic, dweller ...





tis fun.
dp
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Cocoa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-25-05 11:51 PM
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2. Dan Senor got hired by Google recently
Senor was Paul Bremer's spokesman in Iraq, and is or was dating Campbell Brown.
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madeline_con Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-25-05 11:52 PM
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3. Is the government hiring?
They'll need millions more employees to filter and read all the communications going on.
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-25-05 11:55 PM
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4. I do a lot of news searching lately. Yahoo is vastly superior.
Google started strong but they're making the AOL mistake. Forget the customers, play the power games (staff, contributions) and take the easy route. Well, it's a very nice search engine and business case, to start, but now there are alternatives. They'll fail, one big scandal and we'll all be yahoo'ing!
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Jamastiene Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-25-05 11:57 PM
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6. I almost alway use Yahoo too. I never have gotten the popularity of
Google in the first place. I stuck with Yahoo after trying Google.
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-05 12:03 AM
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8. I think it's just siimple interface and aggressive marketing initially,
which is when it counts. Based on what I'm hearing, they're now distracted and having little corporate circle jerks about world dominance. The Senor thing is just amazing...now there's a guy for the information(dis) age. Yahoo also let it's interface look cheap, which is not relevant at all but impacts the masses. Yahoo!
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WiseButAngrySara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-25-05 11:57 PM
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5. I've been worried about this as a potential problem since the recent
non-election. Scary.
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bdot Donating Member (298 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-05 12:16 AM
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12. I've always used Yahoo. It has a better search engine than Google.
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progressive_realist Donating Member (669 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-05 12:45 AM
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15. Google's news service sucks.
There's really no other way to put it. I tried for months to give them a fair chance, and they almost never report on the stories I find important, when I find them important. Sometimes they pick up the story weeks later. That's not good enough.

Even for web searches, I prefer Yahoo's results to Google's.
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Peter Frank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-05 01:04 AM
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16. I Agree, However -- Here's the Rub...
Edited on Fri Aug-26-05 01:09 AM by Peter Frank
"...8) Google is not your friend:

Young, stupid script kiddies and many bloggers still think Google is 'way kool,' so by now
Google enjoys a 75 percent monopoly for all external referrals to most websites. No webmaster can avoid seeking Google's approval these days, assuming he wants to increase traffic to his site. If he tries to take advantage of some of the known weaknesses in Google's semi-secret algorithms, he may find himself penalized by Google, and his traffic disappears. There are no detailed, published standards issued by Google, and there is no appeal process for penalized sites. Google is completely unaccountable. Most of the time they don't even answer email from webmasters..."


http://forums.techguy.org/showthread.php?threadid=212975&31975a6c7f23f52ea1869844302669b6
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-05 01:55 AM
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20. What are the alteranatives?
I use Yahoo for news, but what about basic search? Alta Vista, Dogpile, what?
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Peter Frank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-05 02:42 AM
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21. It's Not a Matter of Alternatives...
...Yahoo easily could be as corrupted (or corruptible) as Google. We should all be determined to expose the un-American underground.

The powers that be thrive on secrecy, and take great care to keep their real motives and processes out of the public arena. This is an unimaginably immense threat to what we all think of as our patriotic heritage of government by, for, and of the people.

The ruling vein of power views openness as a threat. Therefor openness must rule.
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-05 12:39 PM
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25. I use "Ask Jeeves" a lot.n/t
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Peter Frank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-05 12:52 PM
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26. Yahoo Does a Great Job But...
...who knows what might be going on there as well?
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wli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-05 01:18 AM
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17. people have already found things censored off google
Political things, of course.
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Peter Frank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-05 01:36 AM
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18. When You Sleep With The Big Dogs...
...you wake up with the big fleas.

Google's quest for global domination of its market has made itself subservient to a more aggressive power, in search of a more insidious type of domination.
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WiseButAngrySara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-05 12:27 PM
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23. Do you have any examples of this? I have relied on Google for
everything for years, so much so that I thought I was the inventor of the new verb 'googled.' It's good to know of alternatives. I'll try Yahoo. Tried Alta Vista in the past, and found them to be superior if the search was of a scientific nature.
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Peter Frank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-05 12:34 PM
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24. I Can Refer You to the Site I Posted...

""...6) Google's toolbar is spyware:

With the advanced features enabled, Google's free toolbar for Explorer phones home with every page you surf, and yes, it reads your cookie too. Their privacy policy confesses this, but that's only because Alexa lost a class-action lawsuit when their toolbar did the same thing, and their privacy policy failed to explain this. Worse yet, Google's toolbar updates to new versions quietly, and without asking. This means that if you have the toolbar installed, Google essentially has complete access to your hard disk every time you connect to Google (which is many times a day). Most software vendors, and even Microsoft, ask if you'd like an updated version. But not Google. Any software that updates automatically presents a massive security risk.


http://forums.techguy.org/showthread.php?threadid=212975&31975a6c7f23f52ea1869844302669b6
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WiseButAngrySara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-05 01:10 PM
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27. Thanks! I'll check it out.....................n/t
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Peter Frank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-05 01:52 AM
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19. 6) Google's toolbar is spyware:

"With the advanced features enabled, Google's free toolbar for Explorer phones home with every page you surf, and yes, it reads your cookie too. Their privacy policy confesses this, but that's only because Alexa lost a class-action lawsuit when their toolbar did the same thing, and their privacy policy failed to explain this. Worse yet, Google's toolbar updates to new versions quietly, and without asking. This means that if you have the toolbar installed, Google essentially has complete access to your hard disk every time you connect to Google (which is many times a day). Most software vendors, and even Microsoft, ask if you'd like an updated version. But not Google. Any software that updates automatically presents a massive security risk..."
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Peter Frank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-05 11:49 AM
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22. Kick...
:kick:
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