* lied again today! Said Iraq wouldn't let the UN inspectors in

[kainah]

I thought I heard him say this but no one seems to have picked up on it. So I just went and got the transcript from whitehouse.gov It was during his little q&a with Kofi Annan. He said he'd take 2 more questions, then got cocky and took about 4. This was the LAST question/answer because I think his handlers heard this response and knew they had to get him out of there.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2003/07/20030714-3.html

Q So even though there has been some question about the intelligence -- the intelligence community knowing beforehand that perhaps it wasn't, you still believe that when you gave it --

THE PRESIDENT: Well, the speech that I gave was cleared by the CIA. And, look, the thing that's important to realize is that we're constantly gathering data. Subsequent to the speech, the CIA had some doubts. But when I gave the -- when they talked about the speech and when they looked at the speech, it was cleared. Otherwise, I wouldn't have put it in the speech. I'm not interested in talking about intelligence unless it's cleared by the CIA. And as Director Tenet said, it was cleared by the CIA.

The larger point is, and the fundamental question is, did Saddam Hussein have a weapons program? And the answer is, absolutely. And we gave him a chance to allow the inspectors in, and he wouldn't let them in. And, therefore, after a reasonable request, we decided to remove him from power, along with other nations, so as to make sure he was not a threat to the United States and our friends and allies in the region. I firmly believe the decisions we made will make America more secure and the world more peaceful.

[JCMach1]

1. Good catch-- this clearly shows how OUT OF THE LOOP

he was...

He had NO CLUE what was going on...

:grr:

[kainah]

3. I just sent it around to all kinds of journalists

And Joshua Micah Marshall. Someone has GOT to pay attention to this. Can you imagine what Kofi Annan must have been thinking when he heard that?????

[DagmarK]

2. Amazing CATCH!

And obviously Bush* thinks no one else knows what was or is going on.

Shall we send him his notice to the UN saying they had best flee iraq before we started our shock and awe program????????

[julka]

4. Saddam did not have relations with those nukular inspectors!

how can this huge, stinking, gigantic lie be completely ignored by the enTIRE media!!!!!!!

this should be a major topic of discussion.

it was a PRESS BRIEFING, for god's sake, and the only mention I've heard of this is here.

WTF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!??????????????????!!!!!!!!!!!!@@@@@@@@@@@@!!!!!!!!!

[Michael Daniels]

35. It was mentioned in the Washington Post today on the front page

[walkon]

5. Heard it, too.

He just rambles on. It's obvious that he does not have a clue about one damn thing! Wouldn't let inspectors in - yeah, right. How do you hold an idiot responsible? He's so stupid he wouldn't qualify for the death penalty - in Texas!!

[Punkingal]

6. ROFLMAO.....

that's a good one..."He's so stupid he wouldn't qualify for the death penalty - in Texas!!"

[caledesi]

25. Ditto. ROTFLMAO!

[kainah]

7. that's what makes it so incredible

I'd guess that about 70% of Americans would know this wasn't true simply from their own brains! And he can't try to claim that he was talking about some earlier time since he follows it with "and we gave him a reasonable amount of time and then removed him."

[Rose Siding]

8. I blasted it around, too

Either he lied or he's a muddle head and NOW is the time for the media to quit making assumptions that he knows what the frig he's saying!

[kainah]

10. Thanks for the help, party_line

It's such an outrageous statement! Interestingly, ALL of the email addresses I had for CNN shows and anchors and news honchos BOUNCED. Have they gone further underground to prevent people from contacting them -- or is this a temporary glitch? It did say it was a permanent, fatal error.

[LEW]

9. Oh I love these press conferences with b*sh

Every time he opens his mouth, it's another idiotic statement!!! I don't think the press will be giving him a free ride anymore. Should be very interesting when Blair is here!

[maggrwaggr]

15. he has given fewer press conf's than any prez in history!

and here's why.

He's DUMBER THAN REAGAN. I didn't think that was possible.

Little sock puppet. That's gonna be my new name for him.

[JohnyCanuck]

32. Even Tweety Bird Matthews

is asking if Shrubenfuhrer is a "Ted Baxter," (the vapid, vainglorious, empty headed, news anchor buffoon from the Mary Tyler Moore show). Jeez tweety we figured that out 3 years ago, what took you so long. Oh sorry, I forgot. You're a whore just like the rest of them.

[maggrwaggr]

11. Good GOD!!! They must have him locked up in a CAVE!

He doesn't even know what's going on!! They don't even let him watch TV! Either that or the drugs and alcohol have completely messed up his memory so he doesn't even remember what was going on six months ago!

Wow ..... wow ...... wow ...... wow .........

Uh, Mr. Bush, how many fingers am I holding up ...??

[kathee]

12. Great catch!

I took the liberty of sending this to a few sites as well.
I dont know how many in the media caught this, but now that one lie after another has been exposed, it ought to get easier! He is digging that proverbial grave deep and long.

His lies may become as daily a thing as the loss of our soldiers overseas in this "victorious" war.

I remember Bush saying once that he didnt "do" computers or have an email addy. Too bad for HIM, and awesome for the rest of us. The internet is going to be his BIGGEST enemy.

[midnitemoleman]

13. notice: "I wouldn't have put it in", So he did put it in?

But when I gave the -- when they talked about the speech and when they looked at the speech, it was cleared. Otherwise, I wouldn't have put it in the speech. I'm not interested in talking about intelligence unless it's cleared by the CIA

[kainah]

17. another great catch! n/t

[Athame]

22. The CIA cleared the STATEMENT, not the intelligence

He does give himself away by saying, "Otherwise, I wouldn't have put it in the speech." But the next sentence is the larger lie, "I'm not interested in talking about intelligence unless it's cleared by the CIA." The CIA specifically did NOT clear the intelligence, they just found a way to agree with the facts of the statement, that the British had said Iraq was trying to buy Uranium from Niger.

[kainah]

14. The Newshour cut off the quote!!!!!

I catch a late airing on satellite and they used this answer in their news summary ... and they cut it right after he asks himself rhetorically, did Saddam Hussein have a weapons program? And the answer is, absolutely. Unfuckingbelievable!!!!!

Gwen Ifill (who is an idiot) then went on to talk to Jeremy Greenstock (or Greenwhatever) and asks why it is different for them to ask for more time when we wouldn't give the UN inspectors more time. Hey Gwen!!!! Listen to the tape! Saddam refused to let the inspectors in! Any other memory of events must be revisionist history.

:grr:

[maggrwaggr]

16. Maybe * is simply insane?

delusional?

[berry]

23. Greenstock also said categorically that the UK had never

seen the forged Niger docs until after the SOTU. If this is true (and it might be), then they went directly from Italy to the US. But it might be false--an attempt to underline the "credibility" of whatever the Brits do have (or allege they have) on Iraq-Africa links.

Sorry--I know this is a tangent.

[Ohio Dem]

18. Great catch, kainah!!!

I sent this off to BartCop. Giving you due credit of course.

[kainah]

19. No credit required

If we can simply get this out there, I'll be happy. I just sent it to MWO also. And while I couldn't find an email address for the Newshour, I made one up <[e-mail]> and it hasn't bounced so maybe I guessed right.

[ProudGerman]

21. You did guess right

That's the email addy they provide on their website. You can also send letters through their site from this page.

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/letters.html

I think I'll do just that. I suggest other DUers do so too. If enough point out this lie, they might cover it as evidence to his habitual lying.

[fizzana]

20. They've all reached a point where lying is second nature

Lying comes so naturally to people like Rumsfelt, Rice, Bush etc that they aren't even aware they're lying any longer.

They're so good at it they would probably pass a polygraph with ease.

[bpilgrim]

24. thanks, published at GFP

http://news.GlobalFreePress.com

good catch :toast:

peace

[nolabels]

26. I am so glad people are using English like it meant to be used

(no pun intended, or just a little one maybe :-) )
I don't know if this old stuff or not
http://www.mayanmajix.com/art201.html
http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/politics/story.jsp?story=424008
(Snip)
20 Lies About The War

By Glen Rangwala and Raymond Whitaker
The Independent - UK
7-12-3
Falsehoods ranging from exaggeration to plain untruth were used to make the case for war. More lies are being used in the aftermath...

1. Iraq was responsible for the 11 September attacks

A supposed meeting in Prague between Mohammed Atta, leader of the 11 September hijackers, and an Iraqi intelligence official was the main basis for this claim, but Czech intelligence later conceded that the Iraqi's contact could not have been Atta. This did not stop the constant stream of assertions that Iraq was involved in 9/11, which was so successful that at one stage opinion polls showed that two-thirds of Americans believed the hand of Saddam Hussein was behind the attacks. Almost as many believed Iraqi hijackers were aboard the crashed airliners; in fact there were none.

2. Iraq and al-Qa'ida were working together

Persistent claims by US and British leaders that Saddam and Osama bin Laden were in league with each other were contradicted by a leaked British Defense Intelligence Staff report, which said there were no current links between them. Mr Bin Laden's "aims are in ideological conflict with present-day Iraq", it added.

Another strand to the claims was that al-Qa'ida members were being sheltered in Iraq, and had set up a poisons training camp. When US troops reached the camp, they found no chemical or biological traces.

3. Iraq was seeking uranium from Africa for a "reconstituted" nuclear weapons programme

The head of the CIA has now admitted that documents purporting to show that Iraq tried to import uranium from Niger in west Africa were forged, and that the claim should never have been in President Bush's State of the Union address. Britain sticks by the claim, insisting it has "separate intelligence". The Foreign Office conceded last week that this information is now "under review".

(snip)

On edit: about english, it was just that somebody onetime showed me how accurate it could be pointing out detail. I wish knew another language myself. A lot a people I work around can also speak spanish and it sometimes helps them a great deal.

[nolabels]

34. I just heard that just ths authors list had over 120 items of contention

Omissiion is a way of lying, damn it we want the whole truth, who’s the editor? :bounce:

[pa28]

27. He must have graduated to even harder drugs

The media is not covering this at all. Maybe it's some kind of double-take delay. Maybe they are waiting for the official "correction" that will inevitably come tomorrow morning. My take on it is he should either be locked in a rubber room or given an award for the most naked case of "historical revisionism" ever.

[killbotfactory]

28. Bush is insane.

That's all there is too it.

[julka]

29. too be, or not too be......

insane?

whether tis nobler in the mind(less).......

[Rose Siding]

30. WOO HOO!! Milbank put it in the WP!!!!!

2nd pp of a front page article in today's post:

Bush said the CIA's doubts about the charge -- that Iraq sought to buy "yellowcake" uranium ore in Africa -- were "subsequent" to the Jan. 28 State of the Union speech in which Bush made the allegation. Defending the broader decision to go to war with Iraq, the president said the decision was made after he gave Saddam Hussein "a chance to allow the inspectors in, and he wouldn't let them in."

Bush's position was at odds with those of his own aides, who acknowledged over the weekend that the CIA raised doubts that Iraq sought to buy uranium from Niger more than four months before Bush's speech.

The president's assertion that the war began because Iraq did not admit inspectors appeared to contradict the events leading up to war this spring: Hussein had, in fact, admitted the inspectors and Bush had opposed extending their work because he did not believe them effective.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A56336-2003Jul14.html

Yes! Yes! Yes! :bounce:

[kainah]

39. Yeah, Dana!!!!!!!

Of course, he wasn't the Dana who asked the question. That distinction belongs to Dana ??? of CNN who I've seen twice today and she hasn't mentioned it.

[robbedvoter]

31. SNL had "Short attention span theatre" - this fits in there

Think a bit: pre-war lies, war and cover up - all in less than an year. It's more than W can keep in his brain at one time - but assuming that we are that addled brained is not a good idea. Poppy was lying like that - but about OLDER, FURTHER AWAY events - a bit harder to check. W is the MTV generation liar - yesterday is already nothing you should remember.

[Brian Sweat]

33. Truth crafted to imply a lie

Did Shrub say when the Hussein refused to allow inspectors in? I bet he did not. There were many times in the 12 years between the two Gulf Wars when Hussein was less than cooperative. Bush wants people to think that Hussein would not coorperate with the inpectors in the months leading up to the attack, but if pressed on the accuracy of the statement, he will refer back to the time in 1992 that Hussein barred inspectors.

[kainah]

37. Read what follows the statement

"We gave him a reasonable amount of time and then we removed him." -- (roughly) So, with that follow-up, it's pretty hard for him to turn around and say that it had something to do with when the "inspectors were thrown out" back in 1998. Unless 5 years is now *'s sense of "a reasonable time."

[kainah]

38. Read what follows the statement

"We gave him a reasonable amount of time and then we removed him." -- (roughly) So, with that follow-up, it's pretty hard for him to turn around and say that it had something to do with when the "inspectors were thrown out" back in 1998. Unless 5 years is now *'s sense of "a reasonable time."

[Emillereid]

41. But Hussein did let the Inspectors back in

last Fall -- in fact, the inspectors didn't leave until Bush gave his ultimatum.

I sent it off to Salon.com., but haven't heard back.

We should share where we've sent this -- and send it out to more places. This should get out -- it's utterly amazing that this idiot has the power to take us to war and kill thousands of people and doesn't seem to have a clue about the historical record!

God save us from these fools!

[birdman]

36. This is absolutely incredible

The little shithead is becoming delusional.

Joe Conason has now picked it up.

http://www.salon.com/opinion/conason/2003/07/15/bush/index.html

I can't imagine why the press isn't reporting this more.

[kainah]

40. Response from Marie Cocco at Newsday

I sent the information to Marie Cocco yesterday and got this email from her today:

Wow. I completely missed this. Thanks


Marie Cocco
Newsday Washington Bureau

I'll have to make a point of checking her columns for the next couple of days.

Yeah!!!! It's getting out there. Thanks to everyone for their help.

:bounce: :toast: :bounce:

[kainah]

42. Josh Marshall has picked it up as has Newsday

Both places I sent it to last night!!!!

:bounce: :bounce:

We have two other threads on DU about this in different places now & all of them are places I contacted with the story last night. I feel so powerful!!!!

Whoppee!!!!!!!!

[gulliver]

43. It's like something out of Monty Python

Now that you've called attention to the lie, it's amazing to me. By all rights that should settle the matter of Bush's credibility.

It's like a scene Monty Python would do. A bunch of "hard-headed" journalists standing around in full skepticism mode. "Did you lie?" is the big question on everyone's mind. And right there, right in front of them, in broad daylight and on camera, he lies again. He lies egregiously and incompetently right there in front of them.

The man is a miracle. He is so stupid and dishonest no one can see how stupid and dishonest he is. If people are going to see Bush for who he really is, I think they are going to have to start looking downward. They keep looking for a grown-up, but there isn't one there.

[kainah]

44. cognitive dissonance

Plus, did you read the article by the psychologist yesterday talking about how he uses negative frameworks in his speech to create a dependency relationship? Wish I had a link for you. It was a remarkable piece. (Actually, go to my peace group's website, below, and click on "Educate Yourself." It may well be posted there.)

But you're right. It really does sound like a Monty Python sketch. The encouraging thing is that it does seem to be getting around. It's now prominent on Buzzflash -- linking to Joshua Micah Marshall, who posted it about 12 hours after I sent him my email. :bounce:

[NYC]

45. Try renanabrooks.com

www.renanabrooks.com

or this

http://www.renanabrooks.com/anationofvictims.html