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angka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-03 08:42 AM
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David Horowitz: GOP storms the liberal ivory tower
by Mike Littwin, Rocky Mountain News

In Colorado, where Republicans control the House, the Senate, the governor's mansion, both U.S. Senate seats and five of seven U.S. House seats, that overwhelming degree of control is, for some, apparently not enough.

In Colorado, where the legislature rigged a last-minute redistricting in order to help Karl Rove keep Republicans in control of the House to go with their control of the Senate, White House, Supreme Court and John Ashcroft's choir group, that apparently, for some, is also not enough.

The problem, you see, is there are a few Democratic cells left in the state, and one of those is composed of Trotskyite history professors huddled in dark corners of the state's campuses whispering to passersby: "Psst, Al Gore actually got more votes than Dubya," and that, apparently, is too much. Much too much.

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liberalhistorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-03 08:57 AM
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1. I am
SO FUCKING SICK of hearing the wingnuts whining about how universities and colleges are too "librul" and hostile to those poor, downtrodden, neglected, abused, misunderestimated repuke conservatives, and about how most university faculty are flaming socialist mobs who attack their so-called "few" conservative colleages with pitchforks and flaming torches!

BULLSHIT! BULLSHIT! BULLSHIT! And more BULLSHIT! What they really mean is that they want every single faculty member on every single fucking college campus in the country to be a repuke wingnut, and that it's "un-American" that that isn't the case. And let's also remember that most college campuses were incredibly, overwhelmingly conservative until about thirty years or so ago, and those few faculty who did dare to show their liberal stripes were accused of being "socialist" and all kinds of other mean, nasty, evil things.

And let's also remember that the vast majority of business schools on university campuses are EXTREMELY conservative, both faculty and students. Quick, name one well-known liberal economist or business professor besides Paul Krugman, or one even fairly liberal or balanced business college! That's one of the main things that's kept me from getting an MBA, I don't want to be surrounded by a sea of dumbass repuke wingnuts, most of whom were born with a silver spoon in their mouths and who wouldn't know a hard day's work if it came up and bit them in their ass, and who rant and rave about the "lazy, undeserving poor", and who think that if you're poor or working class, it's automatically because you're lazy or undeserving or both! Believe me, I've been around enough of them to know. And I'd like to keep my mental health!
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angka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-03 09:00 AM
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2. well,
mr. horowitz will be at my campus tomorrow to demagogue this issue.

i'm in the way of knowing that his will not receive a very friendly greeting...more to come on this...
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liberalhistorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-03 09:05 AM
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4. Good for you, give him as much
hell as is legally possible! I remember when I was at Kent State in 1987, and he came to campus courtesy of the College Repukes, we really gave him hell. In fact, we interrupted his speech enough so that he actually had to answer our questions and defend his positions instead of delivering his pat, slick speech to the adoring, worshipful, unquestioning crowd he'd expected. Boy, was that fun!!!
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JHB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-03 09:01 AM
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3. Krugman's not especially liberal, either
He just seems that way because he calls *'s BS as he sees it.
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sinkingfeeling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-03 09:31 AM
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5. I think it ties in with the Republicans' ideas on education.......
To quote from their beloved Karl Rove, "As people do better, they start voting like Republicans...unless they
have too much education and vote Democratic, which proves there can be too much of a good thing."
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angka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-03 09:38 AM
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6. what an outstanding quote.
i'm gonna verify it and then use the crap out of it.
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w4rma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-03 10:11 AM
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10. verification
Edited on Mon Sep-29-03 10:14 AM by w4rma

First of all, academics surely do tilt Democratic. But, according to political strategists for both parties, so does the entire pool of people from which academics are, of professional necessity, chosen — the pool of people holding advanced degrees. As Karl Rove says, “As people do better, they start voting like Republicans — unless they have too much education and vote Democratic, which proves there can be too much of a good thing.” (Nicholas Lemann, “Bush’s Trillions,” The New Yorker, 2/19/2001; sadly TNY doesn’t keep this online.)

http://216.239.41.104/search?q=cache:NDWg8gdzutMJ:stacks.msnbc.com/news/752664.asp#030916

"As people do better, they start voting like Republicans -- unless they have too much education and vote Democratic, which proves there can be too much of a good thing."
Karl Rove, Bush Campaign advisor, quoted in a New Yorker interview
http://www.americanpolitics.com/2001quotes.html

An editorial for more insight:
Smarter people make better voting citizens
http://www.mustangdaily.calpoly.edu/archive/20010312/opinion/op1.html

The New Yorker
http://www.newyorker.com/archive/
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pippin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-03 11:13 AM
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14. Republican Academics
lest we forget . . .the white house has a large share of Ph.Ds. and former academics on their team: namely, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Rice, Wolforwitz and behind the scenes still pulling neo-con strings, Newt Gingrich. Karl Rove is a college drop out so naturally he is anti-intellectual, quite forgetting ofcourse the credentials of the other staffers.
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jonnyblitz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-03 10:14 AM
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11. LOL..he really said that?!?! Do they listen to themselves when they talk?
Holy crap!! :crazy:
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bleedingheart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-03 09:40 AM
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7. CELLS! "few Democratic cells "....So now we are terrorists with
cells..??? This is absolutely sick and scary.
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Plaid Adder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-03 09:49 AM
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8. BRING IT ON!
They have been doing this crap for years. We left-wing intellectuals are still here, and we'll be here long after Rove and his boys have been consigned to the trashheaps of history.

So come and get me, boys. I didn't spend 7 grueling years in a PhD. program so I could stand up there and spew forth the party line--and that goes for ANY party, Republican or Democratic. Nor is it my job to make sure my students parrot the party line back to me--and again, that goes for ANY party.

These assholes just can't stand it that there are a few people left in America who know how critical thinking works and are able to teach it. Well, fine. You plan your little siege of my ivory tower, and I'll go put the oil on to boil.

:grr:

The Plaid Adder
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denverbill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-03 10:05 AM
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9. There is a reason there schools teach Liberal Arts.
If you want conservative arts, go to bible college. If you want to take things at face value, if you don't have an inquisitive nature, if you just want to have faith that things happen because God said so, then don't study liberal arts. Go to bible college. Fundamentalist dogma doesn't require an open, inquisitive mind.

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sinkingfeeling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-03 10:18 AM
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12. Liberal Arts?....
I thought most of our universities had been become advanced technical schools to crank out I/T professionals, MBAs, lawyers, etc. I doubt if any of the seniors taking my course this semester have ever heard of critical thinking, opposing viewpoints, or such subjects as logic!
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eleny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-03 10:37 AM
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13. We live in Colorado....
and there are more RINOs living here. Used to be, because of our Federal Center, military bases and Air Force Academy, Colorado boasted that outside of Washington D.C. there were more federal employees here than anywhere else in the U.S.

I worked for the state for my career in human services and my husband worked for the state for 10 years. It drives us nuts that so many of our aquaintances at work felt so strongly aligned with the Repubs. It would never occur to them to start a business or work in private business. They love the security of public jobs.

I don't ever, ever resent paying my taxes for chrissakes. We know which side our bread is buttered on. I made my living in gov't programs started by and protected by Dems. You don't make a livng that way, then walk into the voting booth and stab the Party in the eye. I guess a lot of Coloradoans just don't get it.
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MrPrax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-03 11:15 AM
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15. It's a great scam though...
Got a low mark from your Prof, denouce him as a liberal or worst!!

Even better if you don't have to debate someone designated as such...
Wasn't anti-intellectualism a precessor to Fascism...neutralize people that might 'intellectually' speak out against it...like Liberals


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angka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-03 12:50 PM
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16. now there's a new tactic...
"i'll denounce you to the Committee! change that to an A..."
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angka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-03 03:59 PM
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17. he's going down like wellstone's plane kick
watch this space. important info coming tonight
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LoneStarLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-03 04:52 PM
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18. Horowitz's Ideology Sturm Arbteilung
Horowitz and all the other jerk off conservatives who moan about liberal monopolization of higher education can SUCK IT.

Didn't they read the fine print on the Faustian contract? "In exchange for any intellectual validity and any hint of individual thought, I the undersigned conservative do devote myself to the corporate world and making tons of cash. I forego all hope of having a soul or caring for my fellow man."

"In exchange for stacks and stacks of cash and the comfort that comes in letting someone else make my decisions for me, I the undersigned liberal do devote myself to the classroom, the nonprofit, and the United Nations. I forego all hope of having wealth or hiding my racism behind economic rhetoric."

It's a little late for these jackals to be changing the terms of the contract!
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