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Beetwasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-14-03 09:25 PM
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Hagel Coming Up On Aaron Brown
Hmm, should be interesting...
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Terwilliger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-14-03 09:26 PM
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1. after the break? How is Aaron spinning so far...or have they talked
(n/t)
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FlashHarry Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-14-03 09:27 PM
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2. Damn. I'm watching Tom Petty on PBS' "Soundstage"
Great show, so far. But, I'll switch over to see Hagel.
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Beetwasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-14-03 09:28 PM
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3. IMPLICATING THE WHOLE ADMIN
MENTIONED CHENEY FIRST!!!! WHOLY SHIT!!!!
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caledesi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-03 12:35 AM
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25. Hagel is breaking this wide open....he KNOWS it's Cheney behind
the Iraq war sale.

Notice how Cheney is hiding out. I am always suspicious of a high-roller like him is conveniently not around. Cheney's the key.

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Terwilliger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-14-03 09:31 PM
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4. Telling it straight! Somebody must be accountable!
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Terwilliger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-14-03 09:32 PM
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5. "American people are owed an explanation"
:wow:
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Terwilliger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-14-03 09:34 PM
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6. BROWN AND THIS PUTZ APOLOGIZING FOR BUSH!!!!!!
:nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke:
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Terwilliger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-14-03 09:35 PM
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7. trying to say its a long-term political chink in the armor
NOT some sort of impeachable offense

"Oh, we find weapons and this all ends tomorrow" *whine* *whine* *whine*

POTENTIAL CREDIBILITY GAP!!!! :wtf: :wtf:
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Beetwasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-14-03 09:38 PM
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8. The implication at the end was nice though, this is far from going away!
He's right, Blair coming to town is going to keep the story HOT!
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julka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-14-03 09:39 PM
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9. funnies lineby Hagel:
it's in the president's best interest to find out what really happened.

sure; just like it was in Nixon's best interest to have John Dean testify before the Watergate committee.

then, that wimp Doyle McMcanus said that this was only a MINOR chink in Bush's plain-speaking armor.....nothing like the credibility gap suffered by LBJ or WJC!!!!!

these assholes just will NOT admit what's been going on ever since that turdbucket's father was VP.

when do they EVER tell the truth, even when they admit they've lied????
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ROakes1019 Donating Member (434 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-14-03 10:03 PM
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10. Hagel
He's been showing up on news programs all day.  Earlier he
appeared with Rockefeller and they both lambasted the whole
administration, naming names.
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-14-03 10:08 PM
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11. I think Hagel wants to run for pres..
He has never been a Bush fan, and He knows that if Bush is not totally discredited, and soon, we may end up with 8 years of the Jebster..
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JI7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-14-03 10:16 PM
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12. he did endorse mccain for pres
and i know many other right wing bush worshipping assholes who don't like hagel as they don't like mccain. they both seem to be moderate to conservative types. kind of like the old republicans like eisenhower.
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leesa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-14-03 10:44 PM
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15. Either way, they are all lockstepping cowards
Edited on Mon Jul-14-03 10:44 PM by leesa
It's appalling to see grown people go along with all these lies and illegal activities. None of them are worthy of respect.
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dajabr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-14-03 10:20 PM
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13. This Chuck Hagel?
Same guy?

Published on Friday, January 31, 2003 by CommonDreams.org
"If You Want To Win An Election, Just Control The Voting Machines"
by Thom Hartmann

--snip--

The respected Washington, DC publication The Hill (www.thehill.com/news/012903/hagel.aspx) has confirmed that former conservative radio talk-show host and now Republican U.S. Senator Chuck Hagel was the head of, and continues to own part interest in, the company that owns the company that installed, programmed, and largely ran the voting machines that were used by most of the citizens of Nebraska.

Back when Hagel first ran there for the U.S. Senate in 1996, his company's computer-controlled voting machines showed he'd won stunning upsets in both the primaries and the general election. The Washington Post (1/13/1997) said Hagel's "Senate victory against an incumbent Democratic governor was the major Republican upset in the November election." According to Bev Harris of www.blackboxvoting.com, Hagel won virtually every demographic group, including many largely Black communities that had never before voted Republican. Hagel was the first Republican in 24 years to win a Senate seat in Nebraska.

Six years later Hagel ran again, this time against Democrat Charlie Matulka in 2002, and won in a landslide. As his hagel.senate.gov website says, Hagel "was re-elected to his second term in the United States Senate on November 5, 2002 with 83% of the vote. That represents the biggest political victory in the history of Nebraska."

What Hagel's website fails to disclose is that about 80 percent of those votes were counted by computer-controlled voting machines put in place by the company affiliated with Hagel. Built by that company. Programmed by that company.

"This is a big story, bigger than Watergate ever was," said Hagel's Democratic opponent in the 2002 Senate race, Charlie Matulka (www.lancastercountydemocrats.org/matulka.htm). "They say Hagel shocked the world, but he didn't shock me."


http://www.commondreams.org/views03/0131-01.htm

Has this story been discredited?
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Jim Sagle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-14-03 10:39 PM
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14. Yes - the same Chuck Hagel.
:shrug:
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leesa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-14-03 10:45 PM
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16. No, it's been ignored
We Merikkkans really love and honor Democracy
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dajabr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-14-03 10:56 PM
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17. Now my head hurts...
What does it mean when scum like this is going on the offensive against Bush?

He can't possibly have a conscience...

I'm scratching my head about where this puts the Administration in the "Grand Scheme" of the Votescammers?

Is Bush/Rove now persona non grata with those that control the machines?

Ouch - like I said, my head hurts!
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Cocoa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-14-03 11:20 PM
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19. this might help
Hagel might not be scum. He may have won all his elections without cheating in any way.

This doesn't mean to say that the conflict of interest is not problematic, or that the voting machine issue isn't a crucial one to be looking into.

But, you can rest easy knowing that nothing has been proven about Hagel, or even formally charged, as far as I know. So, you can enjoy the fact that Hagel is criticizing Bush.
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LEW Donating Member (809 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-14-03 10:59 PM
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18. Did you hear Aaron's comment
about how many reporters were working on this story? Said at least the whole White House press corp., which numbers 300 to 400. Ok, now I truely believe b*sh is going down.........
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julka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-14-03 11:23 PM
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20. where have these ASSHOL:ES BEEN for the last four years??????????
Bush never should have gotten the nomination!

pick any one of about TEN stories!

if they'd covered ONE of them, he'd have been ridden out on a monorail.......beFORE the primaries

the only thing that may work is if the herd mentality hypothesis wins out over that of the VRWC (which includes the media)
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baffie Donating Member (362 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-14-03 11:29 PM
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21. Damn! He's pulling an Arlen Specter on me!
I HATE when people I don't like do something I LIKE!!! Now I'm forced to LIKE him. (even if it's only for a moment).
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fizzana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-14-03 11:32 PM
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22. If Rice & Rumsfelt's performances yesterday are any
indication Bush is knee deep in shit and sinking fast. The certitude that they are right and everyone else, including the State Department is wrong together with their persistant refusals to listen to anyone outside their circle of believers is going to sink them.

Couldn't happen to a more deserving bunch.
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shance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-14-03 11:43 PM
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23. Could it be that Chuck Hagel is about to be in trouble b/c of ES&S?
Maybe that is why he is on the bandwagon now?
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-14-03 11:56 PM
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24. He wants to be president.
You can take that to the bank.
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