POLL: What will be reaction when Bush & Bolton start Iran war drumbeat?

[yurbud]

Bush is planning a recess appointment of the overtly unpleasant and belligerent and truth impaired John Bolton, and several sources mentioned earlier that the reason he wanted Bolton in there is to make the UN look bad by pressing them to act against Iran, which they wouldn't do, especially with him asking.

But that's beside the point.

When Ari Fleischer was asked about the timing of the push for the Iraq War, he said you don't roll out a new product in the summer when no one is paying attention.

The Bushies seemed to use that logic with the timing of 9/11 too.

How will the public respond to the drumbeat this time?

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[plusfiftyfive]

1. I think the press and media has seen the light

And the light is a pretty awful shade of blood and guts red. I think they will not take to being lied to any longer, although it took them all the way to the Karl Rove / Valerie Plamegate scandal to get there!
They will insist upon answers, and browbeat the members of congress to explain why more of America's finest have to be lost in a land far away. They will also question why sons and daughters of the members of congress are not signing up for service in this kind of a war.

I hope that is so. I hope the press learned it's lesson on the WMD lies issue, and that they stand up and do what they are being paid for! If they don't, I think any chance of a Democratic victory in 08 is slim, and that there is EVEN LESS chance we can impeach these bastards (Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Rice, Bolton, etc)which is REALLy what should be happening now!

[sundancekid]

2. needs an additional option that states "many of the above"

the feeling of the american people, the press, our allies, many congress persons and so forth is NOT one of amusement when they are discovering that they were HAD, not by chance, but by deliberate choice -- that feeling wrenches the gut even beyond mere betrayal ... we have NO STOMACH for new aggressions with these busheviks leading the chickenhawk parade

[yurbud]

5. I sent an email to Ray McGovern, asking if Congress really was had

I sent him this question:

Even if Saddam Hussein had nuclear weapons, and even more improbably,
the means to deliver them, why would he ever consider using them on the
United States when it would invite not only his own certain death but
the destruction of his entire country? Do people sitting on trillions
of dollars worth of oil often commit suicide?

There are enough people in Congress with military records to understand
this basic calculus, and even more who lived through the Cold War when
we were not attacked by an enemy that thousands of nukes, not a
handful. Every country that has these seem to use them as a deterrent
to attack with the exception of our ally Pakistan who decided to make
them one of their export products.

I want to see the Bush people prosecuted to the fullest for their lies
about Iraq, but I wonder if Congress wasn't tacitly if not explicitly
in on the joke, especially given the drooling of the powerful oil
interests over Iraq.

His brief response:

you got it right... as for congresspeople....some were complicit others deceived

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[McCamy Taylor]

3. GE/MSNBC is losing money from high oil prices. It will fight Iran War.

Back in January, when * thouhgt he had a mandate and the WH started hinting about invaded Iran, NBC did a big expose about the WH's plans and about how invading Iran was a real shit-for-brains idea. GE's motives were simple. Invade another oil producing country and the price of oil would go up even higher, and GE can not accept the profit loss.

Nothing has changed since then, so I expect that at least one of the Big Three 24 News Networks will be all over the * administration should they try to sucker the US into invading Iran--or even bombing its oil fields lol.

CNN and Fox will be complient, but with the US so down on the Iraq war, the American people will tune out the ra-ra of CNN and Fox and listen to the anti-Iran War of NBC.

Man, I hope the Bush administration tries to sell an Iran War. I want to see *'s approval go below 40%.

[davekriss]

4. Millions of us will march on February 15...

...but the Masters of War will have their war anyway.





(Yes, think Dylan.)

[yurbud]

6. significance of Feb 15?

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[davekriss]

7. February 15 2003...

...when 10,000,000 million plus human beings held anti-war rallies, chanting across the globe "no war in Iraq!" in dozens of tongues. Despite this global outcry, Bush had his war anyway.

[yurbud]

8. that was covered so well, I forgot it happened

I was amazed at the time that we could have the biggest demonstrations in world history, and it could barely be covered in the news here, then vanish without a ripple.

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[BillZBubb]

9. Other.

The nation, the congress, and the media will go along with the next Busholini crime. None of the same fools will be as gung ho as they were for Iraq, but the propaganda machine will convince enough sheeple to go along.

But, it isn't going to happen until enough troops are freed up in Iraq to launch an invasion. And that isn't going to happen.

[yurbud]

11. big enough terrorist attack and they'll try to pass draft

Like Starship Troopers: Remember Buenos Aires!



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[CatholicEdHead]

10. The media will fall right in line as usual with Faux leading

but there will be no large groundswell, unless a 9/11-style card is played again with lots of fear.

[yurbud]

12. do you think they wouldn't do another terrorist attack?

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[wli]

15. I'm certain they will

The question is how many of us they'll slaughter during and afterward (obviously everyone will scream MIHOP so they'll be gunning down and bombing protesters en masse afterward).

[Swamp Rat]

13. Americans are already turning against this administration

42% want him impeached.

If THEY MIHOP again... well, THEY better hope the mothership is on it's way here...

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

14. A tough sell but any sort of terrorist attack should do the trick.

Roll out the videos of dead (white-American) babies, heroic firefighters, the flag waving over the rubble, tearful soldiers, toss in the usual constipated looking politicans and generals vowing to never surrender, add ribbons and choruses of God Bless America.

Throw it in a pot and have the media cook it for a couple of weeks and voila! the politicians of both parties will "unite" and "lead" the public into another slaughter.

"Patriotism is the egg from which wars are born." de Maupassant.

[imenja]

16. have you forgotten a country needs troops to go to war

Some here have been beating the drums for an Iran invasion for years now. Give it a rest, would you please.

[Zinfandel]

18. Bolton will assure the need for war...No need for more troops to achieve

their objective, they'll have what they want.

OIL!

With the inevitable use of newer & more powerful American hi-tech weaponry, nukes perhaps, hundreds of thousands of "contractors", willing to sign up for the pay. Though the military is not meeting its quota, yet, still getting tens of thousands each month of recruits to sign up. Prison releases, if they sign up, thousands of foreigners willing to fight with promises of legal immigration, lifers in the military, condensing troop strength by closing bases to add even more troops, keeping existing troops beyond their time, etc. etc.

They don't need a draft, and don't expect one (to get the people fired up, they know better)...They want that oil. The military wants more war and they want to control the region and that's all that matters...The threat of Iranian nukes & patriotism will assure (in their minds, and that's enough, with the republican owned corporate medias help).

Even though, this time it won't fly...However, they are calling the shots and we will be in even deeper shit, as if they care!

[imenja]

20. Bolton?

By getting a commitment of UN member state troops? That worked so well last time.

If they want oil, Saudi Arabia would be the target over Iran.

If you're talking about air strikes rather than ground troops, I fail to see what Bolton has to do with any of this. And experts have said that the Iranian nuclear plants are buried too deeply for bunker buster bombs. And your various hypothetical sources for new troops are not being born out. If you're talking about war in the future, ten years or so from now, why even mention Iran? Foreign policy concerns may be quite different by the time these new sources of troops you predict materialize.

When you present war as a fait acommpli, you form part of a neo-con drumbeat for war. We have enough death and destruction around the planet, why would you try to egg on more? The Bush administration is making a series of deadly decisions all the time, yet that isn't enough for you. Whether your are in the halls of the white house or in the media arguing for war, or part of the indolent left that present such actions as inevitable and beyond our control---it's all part of the same thing--the end result and blood thirty desire is the same.

[yurbud]

23. his job is to browbeat and alienate UN--make them look cowardly

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[imenja]

25. and how does that obviate the need for troops

for this impending Iran invasion you foretell? And how does invading Iran help the desire for oil to which you attribute an inevitable war when Iran is not a major oil producer?

[yurbud]

27. they don't care about need for troops, Iran is #2 or 3 in reserves

(if you don't count Canada's tar sands)
http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0872964.html

and #5 producer according to 2001 CIA world fact book
http://www.capitals.com/rankorder/2173rank.html

They think they will "sell" the draft with another scare campaign, this time aimed at Iran, and/or a terrorist attack, for which Cheney is already drafting up plans for a nuclear retaliation as recounted in the current issue of the American Conservative.



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[imenja]

28. I would be very surprised if they could sell a draft

but your previous post said a draft was not necessary

[yurbud]

19. better prepared than surprised

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[imenja]

21. how does this prepare anyone?

What information helps prepare anyone here? Of course, if your desire is indeed war and the full scale loss of human life, by presenting war as a fait accompli you contribute to that goal.

[yurbud]

22. It's definitely going to be accompli if you ignore it--like we did

the Arab world and our corporate shenanigans there before 9/11.

Looking the other way doesn't make problems go away.

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[imenja]

26. if you ignored the build up to the Iraq war

you were one of the only people in the country who did. It was the most anticipated and advertised war in history. Most Americans debated the war, either for or against. I find it odd that you somehow missed that when many of us protested for months before the invasion occurred.

When you present the war as a fait accompli, you contribute to it. I refuse to cede that kind of power to the Bush administration. Most Americans see the Iraq War as a disaster and believe we should never have entered. I and millions of others will do everything in my power to stop such a war. Yet for some reason you believe war with Iran is inevitable. You aren't talking about what we can do to stop it. You instead predict a malevolent future that seeks to absolve yourself of responsibility as a citizen. When Americans mobilize in sufficient numbers, congress listens. The defeat of Social Security privatization is proof of that. We have the power to influence our government, provided you acknowledge and act on that responsibility.

When you imagine the Bush administration's war complex as all powerful, you enable their exploits. We have the power to stop these things, when Americans take responsibility for our part in the system. All it takes for injustice to prevail is for good people to do nothing. Yet you aren't content with doing nothing. You insist war is inevitable. Why would anyone take such a position unless he wanted bloodshed?

[Zinfandel]

17. NUKES! OIL,To shove our Democracy & Christianity down their Allah

loving throats, "Israel threatened". Bush's poll numbers, 2006 elections distortions, to create more FEAR, "ragheads". To justify the republican agenda and further bankrupt our economy so to assure no money for social programs, diversions, artificially stimulate the economy, keep the corporate media happy with another war with viewership, and create bullshit patriotism. Did I mention OIL? More bases to have complete control of the region, keep the military happy with "never ending war". Mass chaos so they can steal even more, to prove the UN is worthless and Bolton will ensure that.

[Imagevision]

24. Cheney already told Pentagon to come with Iran Nuke Plan

last week. How will the world respond to attacking Iran, if Iraq is any example traveling abroad can really get to suck....it already does!!

[NeoConsSuck]

29. The american sheep will do what the media tells them to do.

Just like they were initially against invading Iraq, after a few weeks of MSM progaganda, their mush brains will turn.